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2021-12-02 7:17:49 PM  
Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.
 
2021-12-02 8:27:18 PM  

edmo: Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.


Well, it's a lockout so it was the owners who did it so they should get the hate.

/Frankly, a pox on both of them
//Some players are grossly overpaid and some owners don't give a shiat about winning so fark them all
 
2021-12-02 8:27:23 PM  

edmo: Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.


the bulk of the players' grievances lie with how those that -haven't- "made it" are treated; particularly minor league salaries (which can be south of 30k/yr) and rookie contracts... especially ways in which the owners game the system to extend the "rookie" period
 
2021-12-02 8:28:04 PM  

desertgeek: /Frankly, a pox on both of them


..and this is exactly the narrative trap the owners want
 
2021-12-02 8:31:22 PM  

The Bestest: desertgeek: /Frankly, a pox on both of them

..and this is exactly the narrative trap the owners want


Oh believe me, I blame this much more on the owners than the players. But some on the players side need a reality check, too.

/Literally the only thing that keeps me from wanting them to go full NHL and lose a season is that I have family that works in a MLB stadium and would lose money from that
 
2021-12-02 8:34:48 PM  
manfred is the worst thing to happen to the game in a long time
 
2021-12-02 8:43:52 PM  

desertgeek: The Bestest: desertgeek: /Frankly, a pox on both of them

..and this is exactly the narrative trap the owners want

Oh believe me, I blame this much more on the owners than the players. But some on the players side need a reality check, too.

/Literally the only thing that keeps me from wanting them to go full NHL and lose a season is that I have family that works in a MLB stadium and would lose money from that


I don't know that I agree with that. Imagine the Snakes somehow picked up Ohtani next year. Attendance balloons to three mil at Chase Field. TV revenue increases because suddenly EsPN wants eyeballs on the franchise. Net increase in revenue is $60 million. I could be wrong, but I think at least half should go to the player who generated that bump. I can't recall anybody saying they follow the D-backs because of Ken Kendrick.
 
2021-12-02 8:48:41 PM  
MLB has been dying for quite a while now.
 
2021-12-02 8:52:22 PM  

i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.


They've never been more profitable
 
2021-12-02 8:54:26 PM  

TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable


Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.
 
2021-12-02 9:09:33 PM  

edmo: Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.


Manfred catches hate because he hates baseball, and acts like it.
 
2021-12-02 9:10:12 PM  
Glad I chose this year to end a 20-year run of full-season tickets.

/would have sworn them off completely if they hadn't signed Buxton.
 
2021-12-02 9:20:15 PM  
Baseball returns post strike and Braves win WS. Good run of no stoppages until Braves finally win again. Then lockout.

Let's just blame Atlanta.
 
2021-12-02 9:35:25 PM  

ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.


The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.
 
2021-12-02 9:58:34 PM  

desertgeek: edmo: Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.

Well, it's a lockout so it was the owners who did it so they should get the hate.

/Frankly, a pox on both of them
//Some players are grossly overpaid and some owners don't give a shiat about winning so fark them all


Strike vs lockout is irrelevant. A work stoppage was happening regardless of who actually pulled the trigger, if the players initiated a strike because the owners were making unreasonable demands it wouldn't mean the players are to blame. And it won't change who anyone blames, whether they are right or wrong, the same people will blame either or both sides.

I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball. But the owners need to start by making significant concessions on things like service time.

And I hope the PA holds out for concessions for Minor Leaguers, to help the next generation of players.
 
2021-12-02 10:04:36 PM  
Manfred will be remembered as the worst commissioner to this point.  An impressive feat!
 
2021-12-02 10:08:29 PM  

dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.


what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?
 
2021-12-02 10:12:48 PM  

i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.


According to whom?  You?
 
2021-12-02 10:14:12 PM  

desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.


Yes, he's entirely wrong.
 
2021-12-02 10:15:42 PM  

The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?


Teenage pregnancy?
 
2021-12-02 10:16:12 PM  

The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?


It would help avoid the constant race to infinity that high profile player salaries engage in. and leave more money left to pay the not so high profile players buy the owners more hookers and blow.  Which is where the floor part would come in - not that they wouldn't find ways to fark with it for more hookers and blow mind you
 
2021-12-02 10:17:32 PM  

Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.


If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.
 
2021-12-02 10:18:34 PM  

The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?


The fact that there is zero chance at getting a floor without a hard cap.
 
2021-12-02 10:18:36 PM  

desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.


I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.
 
2021-12-02 10:19:49 PM  

Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.


Why? Why is he wrong?
 
2021-12-02 10:21:37 PM  

desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.

Why? Why is he wrong?


By what metric does that person or you say that a sport is growing or dying?
 
2021-12-02 10:21:46 PM  

The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?


All teams regardless of market size have an equal shot at relevance.
 
2021-12-02 10:23:15 PM  

dywed88: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

The fact that there is zero chance at getting a floor without a hard cap.


Baseball doesn't really need either. All a salary cap does is save owners from themselves and all a floor does is make fans feel better about having lousy teams
 
2021-12-02 10:24:19 PM  

Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.

Why? Why is he wrong?

By what metric does that person or you say that a sport is growing or dying?


And if he says TV ratings it should be noted in advance that ratings for literally everything on TV (sports or otherwise) except the NFL are lower than they've ever been
 
2021-12-02 10:25:33 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: It would help avoid the constant race to infinity that high profile player salaries engage in.


Except we don't really have that now. The luxury tax is a lot more effective than people seem to think, and the only team that's flouted it consistently in the past decade are the Dodgers, and they have all of one title to show for it.

A hard cap will not improve parity. All it'll do is encourage the less competitive teams to to make one big -marketable- signing .. one big draw, while still staffing the rest of the team with ham'n'eggers.

Would a hard cap stop the Angels from being dogshiat despite generally being around top 5 in salary?
Would it stop the Rays from owning the Yankees despite their salary difference?
Would it make the Mets magically no longer be the Mets?
Would it finally bring Major League Baseball to Pittsburgh?
 
2021-12-02 10:31:11 PM  

Wadded Beef: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

All teams regardless of market size have an equal shot at relevance.


Are there any teams that don't have that shot -now-, except out of their own ineptitude and/or apathy?

The Rays have been the cream of the toughest division in baseball for several years now despite having a bottom 5 salary, sharing said division with two of the biggest spenders (Yankees and Red Sox) and having undoubtedly the worst stadium situation in baseball (it's so bad they're trying to split their home games in Montreal). The A's, while having a similar salary and stadium situation have also been competitive.
 
2021-12-02 10:31:19 PM  

The Bestest: Some Junkie Cosmonaut: It would help avoid the constant race to infinity that high profile player salaries engage in.

Except we don't really have that now. The luxury tax is a lot more effective than people seem to think, and the only team that's flouted it consistently in the past decade are the Dodgers, and they have all of one title to show for it.

A hard cap will not improve parity. All it'll do is encourage the less competitive teams to to make one big -marketable- signing .. one big draw, while still staffing the rest of the team with ham'n'eggers.

Would a hard cap stop the Angels from being dogshiat despite generally being around top 5 in salary?
Would it stop the Rays from owning the Yankees despite their salary difference?
Would it make the Mets magically no longer be the Mets?
Would it finally bring Major League Baseball to Pittsburgh?


I agree with your points.  And the Braves perfectly exemplify your argument, which they will emphasize when they don't resign FF.
 
2021-12-02 10:50:00 PM  

Wadded Beef: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

All teams regardless of market size have an equal shot at relevance.


MLB has more parity than the NFL already
 
2021-12-02 10:55:41 PM  

Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.

Why? Why is he wrong?

By what metric does that person or you say that a sport is growing or dying?


It's not one metric that one should look at. It's everything. It's games taking more than 3 hours that are mostly strikeouts, walks, and homers. It's games slowed down by incessant pitching changes that the 3 batter rule hasn't solved. It's a marketing strategy that hasn't done anything to market the sport's top players. It's a competitive imbalance that sees fans for at least a third of the teams know before Opening Day that their team has no chance in Heaven, Hell, or anywhere in between of having a change at the playoffs because their owners don't give a shiat about winning in most, but not all cases. It's a TV deal that puts the 9th inning of the sport's most important games at nearly midnight in the city where it's being played. It's an out-of-market streaming/PPV package that still blackout games in areas where it makes no damn sense.

The only thing that baseball has truly going for it is that it's the only big sport that kind of matters in most of the country from late May until August. And that's why it still makes a profit: because they don't have real competition for part of the year. But what happens when football starts? Most people stop caring about baseball. There's a reason why someone in the NBA floated shifting their season back to end later in the summer. Because they knew they'd dominate the summer.

And that profit is what will matter the most to the owners and the players. But if they only focus on that, then they aren't seeing the problems that the sport has and that will come back to bite them in the future.
 
2021-12-02 11:02:43 PM  

TDWCom29: And if he says TV ratings it should be noted in advance that ratings for literally everything on TV (sports or otherwise) except the NFL are lower than they've ever been


The only thing I thought about saying on TV ratings was that the MLB All Star Game this year drew a million fewer viewers than the NBA Finals game that happened the next night between two teams from markets that no one cares about (I'm from one of them so I can say that), which isn't good.
 
2021-12-02 11:51:22 PM  

desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.

Why? Why is he wrong?

By what metric does that person or you say that a sport is growing or dying?

It's not one metric that one should look at. It's everything. It's games taking more than 3 hours that are mostly strikeouts, walks, and homers. It's games slowed down by incessant pitching changes that the 3 batter rule hasn't solved. It's a marketing strategy that hasn't done anything to market the sport's top players. It's a competitive imbalance that sees fans for at least a third of the teams know before Opening Day that their team has no chance in Heaven, Hell, or anywhere in between of having a change at the playoffs because their owners don't give a shiat about winning in most, but not all cases. It's a TV deal that puts the 9th inning of the sport's most important games at nearly midnight in the city where it's being played. It's an out-of-market streaming/PPV package that still blackout games in areas where it makes no damn sense.

The only thing that baseball has truly going for it is that it's the only big sport that kind of matters in most o ...


As I've said a million times today, MLB has more parity than the NFL. If the reason baseball fails is because fans can't stand a rebuild then, hell, I guess it's going to fail
 
2021-12-03 12:14:32 AM  

desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: Magnus: desertgeek: ongbok: TDWCom29: i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.

They've never been more profitable

Never mind him. People who want to seem clever have been saying this in any baseball discussion for the last 20 years.

The thing is, he's not entirely wrong. I mean, Manfred himself said this year that baseball is a regional sport with his defense of the Atlanta racist crap. How many people would recognize Mike Trout if he walked into a bar? And how many people actually like games dragging on forever?

Yes, the sport is massively profitable which makes this whole lockout so damn stupid. But the sport has also done a lot of things to hurt itself and it seems to be completely OK with a lot of people in the game.

Yes, he's entirely wrong.

If you really believe that, then you're not paying attention.

I've paid close attention.  He's entirely wrong.

Why? Why is he wrong?

By what metric does that person or you say that a sport is growing or dying?

It's not one metric that one should look at. It's everything. It's games taking more than 3 hours that are mostly strikeouts, walks, and homers. It's games slowed down by incessant pitching changes that the 3 batter rule hasn't solved. It's a marketing strategy that hasn't done anything to market the sport's top players. It's a competitive imbalance that sees fans for at least a third of the teams know before Opening Day that their team has no chance in Heaven, Hell, or anywhere in between of having a change at the playoffs because their owners don't give a shiat about winning in most, but not all cases. It's a TV deal that puts the 9th inning of the sport's most important games at nearly midnight in the city where it's being played. It's an out-of-market streaming/PPV package that still blackout games in areas where it makes no damn sense.

The only thing that baseball has truly going for it is that it's the only big sport that kind of matters in most of the country from late May until August. And that's why it still makes a profit: because they don't have real competition for part of the year. But what happens when football starts? Most people stop caring about baseball. There's a reason why someone in the NBA floated shifting their season back to end later in the summer. Because they knew they'd dominate the summer.

And that profit is what will matter the most to the owners and the players. But if they only focus on that, then they aren't seeing the problems that the sport has and that will come back to bite them in the future.


So, you just don't like baseball and because it's your opinion you find it completely valid to claim baseball is dying and when asked to provide evidence you just wave away that request into the ethers because...yeah.

Look, if you don't like baseball that's fine.  My opinion, based on solid data, is just as valid as if not more so than yours.  If you aren't going to provide any logical reason then don't expect me give the myriad of financial, ratings,, franchise expansion, and increasing youth participation rates data that says baseball is flourishing.

I gave you a chance to cherry pick any data point for you to validate your opinion and you couldn't pull out anything other than you don't like the length of games.  Just say you don't like baseball and I should stop liking what I don't like and we can leave it at that.
 
2021-12-03 12:29:12 AM  

Magnus: So, you just don't like baseball and because it's your opinion you find it completely valid to claim baseball is dying and when asked to provide evidence you just wave away that request into the ethers because...yeah.

Look, if you don't like baseball that's fine.  My opinion, based on solid data, is just as valid as if not more so than yours.  If you aren't going to provide any logical reason then don't expect me give the myriad of financial, ratings,, franchise expansion, and increasing youth participation rates data that says baseball is flourishing.

I gave you a chance to cherry pick any data point for you to validate your opinion and you couldn't pull out anything other than you don't like the length of games.  Just say you don't like baseball and I should stop liking what I don't like and we can leave it at that.


No, I like baseball; but I'm not blind to the problems of the sport. Being a fan doesn't mean I can't be critical of it. If you think being a fan means you can't be critical of the game, then we have a significant disagreement on philosophy that I can't help you with. And yes, you're the one who needs help in that case.
 
2021-12-03 1:14:34 AM  

desertgeek: Magnus: So, you just don't like baseball and because it's your opinion you find it completely valid to claim baseball is dying and when asked to provide evidence you just wave away that request into the ethers because...yeah.

Look, if you don't like baseball that's fine.  My opinion, based on solid data, is just as valid as if not more so than yours.  If you aren't going to provide any logical reason then don't expect me give the myriad of financial, ratings,, franchise expansion, and increasing youth participation rates data that says baseball is flourishing.

I gave you a chance to cherry pick any data point for you to validate your opinion and you couldn't pull out anything other than you don't like the length of games.  Just say you don't like baseball and I should stop liking what I don't like and we can leave it at that.

No, I like baseball; but I'm not blind to the problems of the sport. Being a fan doesn't mean I can't be critical of it. If you think being a fan means you can't be critical of the game, then we have a significant disagreement on philosophy that I can't help you with. And yes, you're the one who needs help in that case.


You've switched topics which doesnt bode well for your original claim.  I never said to not be critical.  In fact, I said approximately the opposite.  I have my criticisms of baseball as well.  What I asked for was a definition of "baseball is dying".

The original statement the other poster was baseball is dying.  I asked them to show their work.  You agreed with them that baseball was dying saying that poster was right.  I said they were completely wrong.  You questioned me as to how I know.  I asked you to pick a metric that demonstrates that baseball is dying. You stated growing length of games demonstrates that it is a dying game.  There is no correlation between the avg. length of a game and some undefined statement of "baseball is dying", other than you don't like more baseball.

I'm perfectly fine with baseball games increasing in length due to the increase in the use of relief pitchers.  I dislike the increase in commercial breaks also increasing length of MLB games.  But since the statement was "baseball is dying."  All of baseball including college level, little league, MiLB, and independent league? I could recite stat after that says otherwise for ALL of baseball, and specifically for MLB.

As I said, I like the longer games due to relief pitching and matchups becoming more of a critical role within the game.  I think 70s and 80s baseball because there was a sizable absence of managers actually managing the game, just load up big bats with steroids and see who hits the most home runs.  So, according to my opinion, baseball is just fine.  Prove me wrong.

According to the stats, which happens to be a fundamental part of baseball, baseball is thriving.  Prove the stats wrong.

Now, how am I not paying attention to baseball?
 
2021-12-03 1:31:31 AM  

Magnus: You've switched topics which doesnt bode well for your original claim.  I never said to not be critical.


No, you said "So, you just don't like baseball" which implies that you believe that because I'm critical of the sport, I must hate the sport. So you're the one who has changed topics.

Listen, I'm done with this. I've made my case and I have better things to do with my life than go on with this. The sport may or may not be dying, but it sure as hell enjoys shooting itself in the face and it's doing it again as we speak with this lockout.
 
2021-12-03 1:33:59 AM  

desertgeek: Magnus: You've switched topics which doesnt bode well for your original claim.  I never said to not be critical.

No, you said "So, you just don't like baseball" which implies that you believe that because I'm critical of the sport, I must hate the sport. So you're the one who has changed topics.

Listen, I'm done with this. I've made my case and I have better things to do with my life than go on with this. The sport may or may not be dying, but it sure as hell enjoys shooting itself in the face and it's doing it again as we speak with this lockout.


I have not changed topics.  I've stayed focus on whether baseball is dying or not.  I don't think you're paying attention.
 
2021-12-03 3:23:43 AM  
What the owners need is another business cost to use as a justification for not paying the players more.

They need to start paying for building new stadiums
 
2021-12-03 10:24:45 AM  

The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?


The imbalance in payroll between big media markets and small.  It helps with parity.
 
2021-12-03 10:42:20 AM  

edmo: Hate the rich owners or hate the rich players? I think the owners will catch most of the hate.


Max Scherzer is rich.  The man who signs his checks is wealthy.
 
2021-12-03 10:57:04 AM  

Rent Party: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

The imbalance in payroll between big media markets and small.  It helps with parity.


There's no practical difference in "media market" size.  Every single one of these owners is a billionaire, and every single one of them can afford to put a $125M team on the field.  If they can't afford it, they can sell their franchise for a couple billion dollars.

And besides, revenue sharing fixes that problem, anyway.  Between the national TV deal, the gate splits for away teams, and merchandise, a team like the Marlins starts out with $75M, before you even take into account their RSN deals, team sponsorships, etc.
 
2021-12-03 11:27:59 AM  

i_dig_chicks: MLB has been dying for quite a while now.


As a Dodger fan, I call BS.  They have 40k+ fans in the stadium 80+ days a year.
 
2021-12-03 12:35:56 PM  

phyrkrakr: Rent Party: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

The imbalance in payroll between big media markets and small.  It helps with parity.

There's no practical difference in "media market" size.


Nonsense. MLB doesn't share TV revenue.  So when the Yankees ink a TV deal with a local TV station in NYC, they have access to a media market of something like 15 million people, and they get to keep the cash.  Which is why they can afford to go out and buy whatever players they like.  See also: Los Angeles.  It is why those cities have multiple pro sportsball teams.

The Royals and the Twins are *never* going to have that kind of leverage.  There are more people in NYC alone than in the entire state of Minnesota.

Every single one of these owners is a billionaire, and every single one of them can afford to put a $125M team on the field.  If they can't afford it, they can sell their franchise for a couple billion dollars.
 
2021-12-03 1:03:30 PM  

Rent Party: phyrkrakr: Rent Party: The Bestest: dywed88: I think a hard cap and a salary floor would be good for baseball.

what, exactly, would a hard cap solve?

The imbalance in payroll between big media markets and small.  It helps with parity.

There's no practical difference in "media market" size.

Nonsense. MLB doesn't share TV revenue.  So when the Yankees ink a TV deal with a local TV station in NYC, they have access to a media market of something like 15 million people, and they get to keep the cash.  Which is why they can afford to go out and buy whatever players they like.  See also: Los Angeles.  It is why those cities have multiple pro sportsball teams.

The Royals and the Twins are *never* going to have that kind of leverage.  There are more people in NYC alone than in the entire state of Minnesota.

Every single one of these owners is a billionaire, and every single one of them can afford to put a $125M team on the field.  If they can't afford it, they can sell their franchise for a couple billion dollars.


From what I can find TV contracts are shared. National TV contracts are fully shared and 48% of local TV contracts go into the revenue sharing pot. And streaming etc revenues are shared, with smaller market teams getting larger shares. And revenue sharing resulted in distribution of over $200 million per team prior to COVID.

The reason I support a salary floor (and the associated cap) is not that it is necessary for smaller market teams to compete (they regularly do when well managed) but to remove the incentive to cut payroll as much as possible and get the revenue sharing.

I would expect that at least some teams, if forced to spend money, would try to get some benefit out of it by spending it well.

Of course the details are very important. Setting the floor at $30 million and the cap at $100 million is obviously a terrible idea and I don't know what ideal numbers would be.
 
2021-12-03 1:31:13 PM  
People act like the commissioner isn't just the mouthpiece for the owners.  LOL
 
2021-12-03 2:19:59 PM  

advex101: People act like the commissioner isn't just the mouthpiece for the owners.  LOL


Kenesaw Mountain Landis was the last effective commissioner.
 
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