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(Salt Lake Tribune)   The state of Utah saves upwards of $75 million a year by using this one weird trick to meet federal assistance program funding minimums (Spoiler: it's forcing people to convert to Mormonism and making them work for the church for their aid)   (sltrib.com) divider line
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2021-12-02 12:00:02 PM  
'Bellamy, desperate for help, had tried applying for cash assistance from the state of Utah. But she'd been denied for not being low-income enough, an outcome that has become increasingly common ever since then-President Bill Clinton signed a law, 25 years ago, that he said would end "welfare as we know it."'

I grew up poor and mormon. As a 13 year old, i dug ditches, painted walls and acrubbed them with toothbrushes. I also worked in the fields, cannery and storehouse. I did this with my father who often worked one or 2 jobs as well. I 'volunteered' into adulthood. I did this til i got into IT and got better pay. Why? Tithing. 10% is a lot when you are poor.

F that religion. Sorry, wrong language. F that corporation and cult.
 
2021-12-02 12:07:02 PM  

Nadie_AZ: 'Bellamy, desperate for help, had tried applying for cash assistance from the state of Utah. But she'd been denied for not being low-income enough, an outcome that has become increasingly common ever since then-President Bill Clinton signed a law, 25 years ago, that he said would end "welfare as we know it."'

I grew up poor and mormon. As a 13 year old, i dug ditches, painted walls and acrubbed them with toothbrushes. I also worked in the fields, cannery and storehouse. I did this with my father who often worked one or 2 jobs as well. I 'volunteered' into adulthood. I did this til i got into IT and got better pay. Why? Tithing. 10% is a lot when you are poor.

F that religion. Sorry, wrong language. F that corporation and cult.


Totally agree. Who uses a farking tooth brush to scrub a wall? I was a Marine and survived field day every Thursday and they never were that bad.
 
2021-12-02 12:07:18 PM  
As a kid, and I don't want to knock anyone else's Church, but mine tried to trick us into thinking the shiat in the Bible was a true story! I hated them for it, because it felt like they were gaslighting us......

/they were
//so they could,con our parents
///and, Rape kids
/Amenz to human sacrifices and Jebus
 
2021-12-02 12:10:00 PM  
As screwed up as my childhood was, at least my narcissist parents weren't also religious.

They messed me up in a whole lot of ways, but not that one.
 
2021-12-02 12:11:06 PM  
welfare in Utah has become so entangled with the state's dominant religion that the agency in charge of public assistance here counts a percentage of the welfare provided by the LDS Church toward the state's own welfare spending,

Yeah, but the skiing....
 
2021-12-02 12:11:47 PM  

Nadie_AZ: 'Bellamy, desperate for help, had tried applying for cash assistance from the state of Utah. But she'd been denied for not being low-income enough, an outcome that has become increasingly common ever since then-President Bill Clinton signed a law, 25 years ago, that he said would end "welfare as we know it."'

I grew up poor and mormon. As a 13 year old, i dug ditches, painted walls and acrubbed them with toothbrushes. I also worked in the fields, cannery and storehouse. I did this with my father who often worked one or 2 jobs as well. I 'volunteered' into adulthood. I did this til i got into IT and got better pay. Why? Tithing. 10% is a lot when you are poor.

F that religion. Sorry, wrong language. F that corporation and cult.


Yeah, you know what? 

I'm getting a real farking sour taste in my mouth about these guys. I had a conversation with someone recently who reminded me about the 'worthiness check' meetings, where as an underage person, you're required to go meet with an old man, and tell them about your masturbation habits. 

I'd completely forgotten about it, even though I had to do it myself. It's like a requirement, too. You have to go have that meeting. 

shiat needs to be dismantled at this point, it's rotten to the core.
 
2021-12-02 12:14:02 PM  
Well that's farking gross.  What an awful state Utah is.

Next step is I assume an Inquisition, devoted to making sure the moriscos and marranos new converts aren't buying coffee or marrying just one wife
 
2021-12-02 12:16:49 PM  
I think Mormonism is probably the most corrupt major religion ever, and that's saying something.  I live around them, I have seen and  heard a lot of things.  They seem to be extremely materialistic for a religious bunch.
 
2021-12-02 12:18:28 PM  

cryinoutloud: I think Mormonism is probably the most corrupt major religion ever, and that's saying something.  I live around them, I have seen and  heard a lot of things.  They seem to be extremely materialistic for a religious bunch.


You have to have a pretty significant income to provide for a family of 15 these days.
 
2021-12-02 12:18:29 PM  
Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States
 
2021-12-02 12:18:38 PM  

PirateKing: As screwed up as my childhood was, at least my narcissist parents weren't also religious.

They messed me up in a whole lot of ways, but not that one.


I think you can have one but not both. My folks are religious but not nuts about it. It is a personal thing for them and they do not proselytize or tell you how they are better than the next person for holding their faith.

Why yes... they do leave every church they belong to within a couple-few years.
 
2021-12-02 12:18:52 PM  
Mormonism is 19th century Scientology founded by a grifter and perfected by an ephebophile.
 
2021-12-02 12:19:32 PM  
we have given too much power and authority to institutions that have no right to wield it.   If they are not taxed they should have no place in governance.
 
2021-12-02 12:22:13 PM  
A few years back I was researching places to move to from Seattle; too much traffic and drizzle after 4 decades.

SLC came up, my wife to be said hell no.  We settled on ABQ, and in driving the first load down I checked into a hotel in SLC at 9:30 pm after a long drive, showered and asked the concierge what bar to go for a drink and a meal.  He laughed.

Determined, I hopped in the TA and went.  For almost an hour, going to restaurant to restaurant - nothing!  The usual answer is "we'll seat you at a table".  Bullshiat.  Part of the bar reason is you can sit and eat a meal without Nellies gawping at you.

I called the SO after going back to the hotel and after ordering room service and mentioned my tale.  She of course laughed and said I never listen to her.

I did not think a major town could be so backwards.  Or franchised to hell, or have so much traffic at 9:30 at night.

Every time I fly over SLC I snort with derision.
 
2021-12-02 12:23:05 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States


It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.
 
2021-12-02 12:23:37 PM  
I'm shocked that a state run by a pyramid scheme cult that legislates specifically to benefit pyramid schemes would engage in unethical practices!

/Tax all churches
/Tax the shiat out of the Blue Collar Church of Scientology until it's insolvent
 
2021-12-02 12:24:46 PM  
The money part has taken over what the mormon church cult is doing. It has bled over into state politics and it has become one entity.
If you think about it, people here are not threatening since you pretty much know what they're going to say, or how they will respond, you know how they will vote and where they all are on Sunday.
Pretty predictable for the most part, so it's easy to navigate the system here.
Drive into some neighborhoods on a gorgeous sunday late morning, and not a soul outside (granted, not many mo's have a soul, they're pretty much vanilla on a plain cone) no one mowing the lawn, no kids on bikes...

When I watched the movie Pleasantville for the first time, it was an A-HA! moment.
 
2021-12-02 12:24:55 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States


I mean, outside of the 2nd Amendment, Conservatives treat the Constitution like a list of suggestions that should be followed, but not necessary.
 
2021-12-02 12:26:11 PM  

jars.traptone: Nadie_AZ: 'Bellamy, desperate for help, had tried applying for cash assistance from the state of Utah. But she'd been denied for not being low-income enough, an outcome that has become increasingly common ever since then-President Bill Clinton signed a law, 25 years ago, that he said would end "welfare as we know it."'

I grew up poor and mormon. As a 13 year old, i dug ditches, painted walls and acrubbed them with toothbrushes. I also worked in the fields, cannery and storehouse. I did this with my father who often worked one or 2 jobs as well. I 'volunteered' into adulthood. I did this til i got into IT and got better pay. Why? Tithing. 10% is a lot when you are poor.

F that religion. Sorry, wrong language. F that corporation and cult.

Yeah, you know what? 

I'm getting a real farking sour taste in my mouth about these guys. I had a conversation with someone recently who reminded me about the 'worthiness check' meetings, where as an underage person, you're required to go meet with an old man, and tell them about your masturbation habits. 

I'd completely forgotten about it, even though I had to do it myself. It's like a requirement, too. You have to go have that meeting. 

shiat needs to be dismantled at this point, it's rotten to the core.


Also raised Mo. I had that same interview with my bishop and felt similarly skeeved. I also remember some old church dude giving a mixed group of us (teen boys & girls) the used chewing gum lecture re: our virginity, though it was mostly aimed at the young women. Hamburger vs. steak was also employed as a metaphor for marrying a dirty ho or marrying a virgin.

I wish now that I'd shamed the guy for being an old pervert who spent his time thinking about the virginity of teenage girls and then stormed out.
 
2021-12-02 12:27:55 PM  

PirateKing: As screwed up as my childhood was, at least my narcissist parents weren't also religious.

They messed me up in a whole lot of ways, but not that one.


We take our wins where we find them.
 
2021-12-02 12:30:57 PM  
I tried LDS once.  Man, I was tripping balls!
 
2021-12-02 12:31:25 PM  

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: A few years back I was researching places to move to from Seattle; too much traffic and drizzle after 4 decades.

SLC came up, my wife to be said hell no.  We settled on ABQ, and in driving the first load down I checked into a hotel in SLC at 9:30 pm after a long drive, showered and asked the concierge what bar to go for a drink and a meal.  He laughed.

Determined, I hopped in the TA and went.  For almost an hour, going to restaurant to restaurant - nothing!  The usual answer is "we'll seat you at a table".  Bullshiat.  Part of the bar reason is you can sit and eat a meal without Nellies gawping at you.

I called the SO after going back to the hotel and after ordering room service and mentioned my tale.  She of course laughed and said I never listen to her.

I did not think a major town could be so backwards.  Or franchised to hell, or have so much traffic at 9:30 at night.

Every time I fly over SLC I snort with derision.


Must have been some time ago, or you stopped in Utah County (Orem, Provo) or Davis County.
Asking the concierge was the giveaway that it was pre-internet/smartphone.

I can walk to 2 bars in 15 min, 3 more 5 min later and not even be in the heart of downtown SLC yet.
But anyhow... don't come here. It sucks, stay away... no breweries, bars, strip clubs, distilleries, skiing, mountains... I think we're slated to get cable soon...
 
2021-12-02 12:32:32 PM  
Is it clear yet why students is other states would chant "fark the Mormons"?

/Father's side are Mormons
 
2021-12-02 12:32:39 PM  
They could probably pull in bigger annual revenues by just raising taxes on the rich Gospel of Prosperity dipshiats.
 
2021-12-02 12:32:42 PM  

atomic-age: PirateKing: As screwed up as my childhood was, at least my narcissist parents weren't also religious.
They messed me up in a whole lot of ways, but not that one.
We take our wins where we find them.


For sure.  My mother was a lib.  I don't know what the hell else was going on, except her toxic upbringing, but she was definitely a liberal.
 
2021-12-02 12:34:07 PM  

dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.


A14 would like a word...

// also, basically everyone involved with the drafting of A1 (Madison and Jefferson, specifically; also Hamilton, for what that's worth) said it's about a separation of church and state - and textually, the amendment doesn't make much sense without that understanding
// so the "originalists" would have to contend with the fact that they accept dictionaries from 1814 or the existence of repeating arms in 1730whatever as proof positive that the Constitution's original intent is what they want it to say, but the recorded opinions and motivations of the actual drafters - as well as the stated motivations of many who voted to adopt it - are meaningless to determining original intent
// ideological inconsistency, from conservatives?!
 
2021-12-02 12:35:58 PM  

dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.


Under the 14th Amendment, fundamental rights, like those in the bill of rights apply equally to the state and federal governments.

What the constitution says is much more complex than a flat reading of the amendment itself.
 
2021-12-02 12:38:41 PM  

peterquince: dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.

Under the 14th Amendment, fundamental rights, like those in the bill of rights apply equally to the state and federal governments.

What the constitution says is much more complex than a flat reading of the amendment itself.


But SCOTUS only cares about 1, 2 and 5.
 
2021-12-02 12:40:04 PM  

peterquince: dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.

Under the 14th Amendment, fundamental rights, like those in the bill of rights apply equally to the state and federal governments.

What the constitution says is much more complex than a flat reading of the amendment itself.


Also, and I know this sounds ignorant, where exactly is the "Separation of Church and State" outlined in the Constitution?  Isn't this a "Thomas Jefferson said so" kind of thing?
 
2021-12-02 12:40:30 PM  

cryinoutloud: I think Mormonism is probably the most corrupt major religion ever, and that's saying something.  I live around them, I have seen and  heard a lot of things.  They seem to be extremely materialistic for a religious bunch.


Yep. They definitely subscribe to the prosperity gospel, believing that God rewards their fealty to the doctrine with cash and/or prizes. Every last one of them are full of shiat.

/I grew up in Salt Lake City, the product of a jack Mormon father and non-practicing Jewish mother.
//I beat the shiat out of a lot of loose lipped Mormon kids and loved every minute of it.
///Always, always, always in self defense. Me vs. the mob.
 
2021-12-02 12:41:24 PM  
What the 1996 welfare reform law did, in essence, was dramatically shrink the safety net for the poorest Americans while leaving what aid remained in the hands of individual states, issuing each a "block grant" of federal welfare funding and significant discretion over how to spend, or not spend, the cash.

Ever since, welfare has taken on each state's personality.


Clinton needing to compromise against the backlash of Reagan's "welfare queens" still causing ripples.
 
2021-12-02 12:43:59 PM  

Pinner: It sucks, stay away


SLC does suck. But it's because of geography and geology. Pulls all the shiat in, then y'all refine pollute and pull all the ground water out and the mountains hold the air.

But it's gotten more tolerable on the drinking front for sure. Luckily Mormons like one thing over their ideals: Money.

Plus I can't hate on the boat load of fake blond milf action:
realitytea.comView Full Size
 
2021-12-02 12:44:08 PM  
Her younger daughter, Jaidyn, had to drop out of high school

when you name your kid Jaidyn you basically set their career ceiling at Denny's waitress anyways.
 
2021-12-02 12:44:45 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: What the 1996 welfare reform law did, in essence, was dramatically shrink the safety net for the poorest Americans while leaving what aid remained in the hands of individual states, issuing each a "block grant" of federal welfare funding and significant discretion over how to spend, or not spend, the cash.

Ever since, welfare has taken on each state's personality.

Clinton needing to compromise against the backlash of Reagan's "welfare queens" still causing ripples.


He also signed NAFTA. He was the best republican president of the last 30 years.
 
2021-12-02 12:45:20 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Pinner: It sucks, stay away

SLC does suck. But it's because of geography and geology. Pulls all the shiat in, then y'all refine pollute and pull all the ground water out and the mountains hold the air.

But it's gotten more tolerable on the drinking front for sure. Luckily Mormons like one thing over their ideals: Money.

Plus I can't hate on the boat load of fake blond milf action:
[realitytea.com image 603x339]


Stepford Lake City?
 
2021-12-02 12:46:22 PM  

peterquince: dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

It doesn't.  A1 says Congress shall make no law ...
The states can apparently do as they like.

Under the 14th Amendment, fundamental rights, like those in the bill of rights apply equally to the state and federal governments.


Not automatically. They have to be incorporated.
 
2021-12-02 12:46:32 PM  

SolderGlob: AlgaeRancher: Separation of church and state dude

The principal is necessary and should be vigorously enforced

/ to do otherwise betrays the constitution of the United States

I mean, outside of the 2nd Amendment, Conservatives treat the Constitution like a list of suggestions that should be followed, but not necessary.


It's a game everyone can and should play.

/After all Republicans don't get to be the only voice on what it means to be an American

Unfortunately Their control of the media judicial and increasingly school boards makes it seem like they do.
 
2021-12-02 12:47:24 PM  

Pinner: The money part has taken over what the mormon church cult is doing. It has bled over into state politics and it has become one entity.
If you think about it, people here are not threatening since you pretty much know what they're going to say, or how they will respond, you know how they will vote and where they all are on Sunday.
Pretty predictable for the most part, so it's easy to navigate the system here.
Drive into some neighborhoods on a gorgeous sunday late morning, and not a soul outside (granted, not many mo's have a soul, they're pretty much vanilla on a plain cone) no one mowing the lawn, no kids on bikes...

When I watched the movie Pleasantville for the first time, it was an A-HA! moment.


Racism is built right into the Boo of Mormon, as the descendants of the major antagonist, Laman, (or Lamanites) are characterized by their dark skin.

The racism is baked right in.
 
2021-12-02 12:47:30 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Luckily Mormons like one thing over their ideals: Money.


You got that right. They're second to only Scientology in greediness.
 
2021-12-02 12:49:33 PM  

cryinoutloud: I think Mormonism is probably the most corrupt major religion ever, and that's saying something.  I live around them, I have seen and  heard a lot of things.  They seem to be extremely materialistic for a religious bunch.


Well it was founded by a conman and a fraudster...
 
2021-12-02 12:50:50 PM  

Todorojo: Pinner: The money part has taken over what the mormon church cult is doing. It has bled over into state politics and it has become one entity.
If you think about it, people here are not threatening since you pretty much know what they're going to say, or how they will respond, you know how they will vote and where they all are on Sunday.
Pretty predictable for the most part, so it's easy to navigate the system here.
Drive into some neighborhoods on a gorgeous sunday late morning, and not a soul outside (granted, not many mo's have a soul, they're pretty much vanilla on a plain cone) no one mowing the lawn, no kids on bikes...

When I watched the movie Pleasantville for the first time, it was an A-HA! moment.

Racism is built right into the Boo of Mormon, as the descendants of the major antagonist, Laman, (or Lamanites) are characterized by their dark skin.

The racism is baked right in.


Yup! Heard it right from my FIL's bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, zealot mouth.
 
2021-12-02 12:52:17 PM  
For conservatives "small government" means the government can force you into a religion. Also means they can make you have a baby. Remember this the next time one of em start barking about "Freedum n liber-tea!!!"
 
2021-12-02 12:53:12 PM  
I knew a very interesting and profanely-tongued fellow from India who was desperate to go abroad for college but kept getting turned down; eventually someone told him that there was a scholarship/visa opportunity but it was only for LDS students.  He had no idea what that meant, so when they asked him if he was LDS, he just said 'yes' repeatedly and BS'd them all the way to Provo.  He got his degree and now he's the CEO of a company.
 
2021-12-02 12:53:50 PM  

jars.traptone: Nadie_AZ:

... I had a conversation with someone recently who reminded me about the 'worthiness check' meetings, where as an underage person, you're required to go meet with an old man, and tell them about your masturbation habits...


Is there a sign-up sheet, or a waiting list, or something?

Asking for a friend.
 
2021-12-02 12:53:56 PM  
Mormonism is a garbage sham religion among garbage sham religions.
 
2021-12-02 12:54:22 PM  
One more reason not to support the church. Any church.
 
2021-12-02 12:55:27 PM  

jars.traptone: I'm getting a real farking sour taste in my mouth about these guys. I had a conversation with someone recently who reminded me about the 'worthiness check' meetings, where as an underage person, you're required to go meet with an old man, and tell them about your masturbation habits.


Holy farking shiat. Dear lord ...
 
2021-12-02 12:56:57 PM  
Dummy dummy dum-dum-dum.
 
2021-12-02 12:57:37 PM  

austerity101: Mormonism is a garbage sham religion among garbage sham religions.


Had a sociology class in college where the prof said we're studying mormons for a bit because he said it was a sub-culture within the US. A few really cute mormon gals in class got their panties in a wad. Which I wish I would have asked to un-wad for them. DAMN!
 
2021-12-02 12:57:51 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Pinner: It sucks, stay away

SLC does suck. But it's because of geography and geology. Pulls all the shiat in, then y'all refine pollute and pull all the ground water out and the mountains hold the air.

But it's gotten more tolerable on the drinking front for sure. Luckily Mormons like one thing over their ideals: Money.

Plus I can't hate on the boat load of fake blond milf action:
[realitytea.com image 603x339]


Are you going to share with the class how one goes about getting fake blonde, Mormon milf action? I suspect it involves being a thieving Mormon mother farker.
 
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