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(MSN)   Idiots still spreading article saying that Omicron is mild, as if anyone knows. Meanwhile, South Africa keeps releasing accurate updates   (msn.com) divider line
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2021-12-02 3:53:27 PM  
Idiots in my town also say things like this:
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2021-12-02 3:53:48 PM  
I think the spreadnecks are in for some tough love.
 
2021-12-02 4:05:49 PM  
"Hospitalizations are rising across South Africa, but it's still too early to know whether the omicron variant is driving an increase in severe Covid-19 cases, according to the World Health Organization."

Subby is bad and should feel bad.
 
2021-12-02 4:10:50 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: "Hospitalizations are rising across South Africa, but it's still too early to know whether the omicron variant is driving an increase in severe Covid-19 cases, according to the World Health Organization."

Subby is bad and should feel bad.


No, Subby is correct and people who are saying it is mild are wrong to do so, and should feel bad. They are attempting to steer public policy, and invidivdual behaviour, away from science (and epidemiology in particular). They cannot know if Omicron is mild.
 
2021-12-02 4:40:17 PM  
I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/
 
2021-12-02 4:47:54 PM  
Yep. What bothers me is that folks are basically saying "well, we don't know anything about this variant, so, just kinda handwave it away & keep doing' whatcha doin'", because nothing says "the best way to mitigate an unknown risk is to ignore it or treat it like a known risk."

Panic isn't warranted, but at least put the same goddamned safeguards we used for Delta into place until we know if this thing is more or less severe than Delta.
 
DVD
2021-12-02 5:09:41 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/


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How in the world would the vaccinated have a larger risk of catching it if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are doing all of the same things otherwise?  A vaccine for the original COVID virus isn't going to be some kind of magnet that attracts the virus more strongly from unvaccinated people.
 
2021-12-02 5:18:42 PM  

DVD: Ketchuponsteak: I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/

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How in the world would the vaccinated have a larger risk of catching it if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are doing all of the same things otherwise?  A vaccine for the original COVID virus isn't going to be some kind of magnet that attracts the virus more strongly from unvaccinated people.


They have a larger risk of catching it, by 3 times, because the vaccine doesn't work as well against this mutation.
 
2021-12-02 5:25:25 PM  

Ketchuponsteak: DVD: Ketchuponsteak: I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/

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How in the world would the vaccinated have a larger risk of catching it if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are doing all of the same things otherwise?  A vaccine for the original COVID virus isn't going to be some kind of magnet that attracts the virus more strongly from unvaccinated people.

They have a larger risk of catching it, by 3 times, because the vaccine doesn't work as well against this mutation.


If the vaccine doesn't work, vaccinated people will have, at most, the same chance of contracting the illness.

Now, it might be three times as likely to infect vaccinated people than Coronavirus Original TM  or one of the other variants. Is that what you meant?
 
2021-12-02 5:30:24 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Ketchuponsteak: DVD: Ketchuponsteak: I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/

_______________________________________

How in the world would the vaccinated have a larger risk of catching it if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are doing all of the same things otherwise?  A vaccine for the original COVID virus isn't going to be some kind of magnet that attracts the virus more strongly from unvaccinated people.

They have a larger risk of catching it, by 3 times, because the vaccine doesn't work as well against this mutation.

If the vaccine doesn't work, vaccinated people will have, at most, the same chance of contracting the illness.

Now, it might be three times as likely to infect vaccinated people than Coronavirus Original TM  or one of the other variants. Is that what you meant?


I'm going with Leeks on this one.
 
2021-12-02 5:39:17 PM  
The doctor who was saying this variant is mild had seen a total of seven patients with the variant. Not exactly a great sample size. Yet the morons we're taking that as definitive.
 
2021-12-02 6:21:39 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Ketchuponsteak: DVD: Ketchuponsteak: I read today that Omicron tended to be more severe amongst the unvaccinated, whilst the vaccinated has a larger risk of catching it. The latter is a given, since it's a mutant strain, that the vaccine doesn't pinpoint.

I hope to get an Omicron booster as soon as they have one, that's for sure. A normal booster would be nice as well of course, but I can't get Moderna. :/

_______________________________________

How in the world would the vaccinated have a larger risk of catching it if both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are doing all of the same things otherwise?  A vaccine for the original COVID virus isn't going to be some kind of magnet that attracts the virus more strongly from unvaccinated people.

They have a larger risk of catching it, by 3 times, because the vaccine doesn't work as well against this mutation.

If the vaccine doesn't work, vaccinated people will have, at most, the same chance of contracting the illness.

Now, it might be three times as likely to infect vaccinated people than Coronavirus Original TM  or one of the other variants. Is that what you meant?


Yes, to clarify, its 3 times as likely to infect someone vaccinated than the Delta variant. This is the newest information from RSA. They compare against the Delta variant, which I assume is natural, as I believe it more or less has outcompeted everything else, like Omicron will now soon do.
 
2021-12-02 6:44:45 PM  
Remember when the original Covid strain was "just like a mild flu" and wouldn't be a problem?
 
2021-12-02 6:54:14 PM  

bingethinker: Remember when the original Covid strain was "just like a mild flu" and wouldn't be a problem?


No, because actual epidemiologists had been watching out for dangerous coronaviruses since BEFORE SARS, which is how they isolated it so quickly back then.

Idiots saying dumb stuff doesn't make it true, which is why you should always look for reliable sources of information and sanitize input from famously unreliable ones.
 
2021-12-02 7:10:45 PM  

bingethinker: Remember when the original Covid strain was "just like a mild flu" and wouldn't be a problem?


No, but I do remember when it was a bio weapon released by the US military in china during some war games.  And I remember when it was brought to china from australia in frozen foods.  And I remember when it was from pangolin poaching. And I remember when it was from the eat a live bat challenge.  And I remember when masks didn't block the virus, and in fact made the spread even worse.  And I remember when stopping flight from china during a pandemic with whole cities in china on lockdown were considered racist and nobody should stop travel.  I also remember when the democrats didn't like the vaccine because it was bleach and the west coast was supposed to have separate trials to verify safety.  And I remember.....
 
2021-12-02 7:24:49 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: No, Subby is correct and people who are saying it is mild are wrong to do so, and should feel bad. They are attempting to steer public policy, and invidivdual behaviour, away from science (and epidemiology in particular). They cannot know if Omicron is mild.


Every report from South Africa, to date, indicates its symptoms are mild - and there are no reports of hospitalization due to Omicron - yet.

The only hysteria is coming from the WHO, which has a vested financial interest in it being worse.

Nothing needs to change. Things are not over. But going backwards, WITHOUT FACTS, is stupid.
 
2021-12-02 8:18:40 PM  

zgrizz: Every report from South Africa, to date, indicates its symptoms are mild - and there are no reports of hospitalization due to Omicron - yet.


The good info we have is that people healthy enough to travel around and were vaccinated because they had to travel to several countries aren't having major problems with this.

Just about everything thing else at this point is a wild guess.

The other conjecture is that one of the recent mutations managed to drop some of the non-spike surface proteins which might be related to why the original did so much damage to some people.
 
2021-12-02 8:40:09 PM  

IndyJohn: The doctor who was saying this variant is mild had seen a total of seven patients with the variant. Not exactly a great sample size. Yet the morons we're taking that as definitive.


So this could be a case of 'no one ever gets worse than a mild case' or 'everyone gets at least a mild case, so those asymptomatic cases no longer happen'...

Which actually, now that I think about it, would actually be a good thing, as we'd finally be able to tell who's out there spreading the virus.

So it probably won't be that.
 
2021-12-02 9:42:47 PM  

leeksfromchichis: bingethinker: Remember when the original Covid strain was "just like a mild flu" and wouldn't be a problem?

No, because actual epidemiologists had been watching out for dangerous coronaviruses since BEFORE SARS, which is how they isolated it so quickly back then.

Idiots saying dumb stuff doesn't make it true, which is why you should always look for reliable sources of information and sanitize input from famously unreliable ones.


I guess I'm too subtle for you. I should have said, REMEMBER WHEN IDIOTS WERE SAYING THIS?
 
2021-12-02 10:11:34 PM  
His gloved hands trembled as he typed the headline. "This time the variant will be vaccine proof, I just know it. Today I'll show them," he thought as his glasses fogged up from the double mask redirecting his hot, stale breath. He clicked to submit knowing he had again made a difference.

/I'll be in my bunk
//bunker?
///slashies won't be the only thing coming
 
2021-12-02 11:50:10 PM  
Researcher in South Africa thinks the large population of HIV positive people are more easily catching the variant.
 
2021-12-03 2:38:11 AM  

bingethinker: Remember when the original Covid strain was "just like a mild flu" and wouldn't be a problem?


According to Orange Genius, sure.

The scientific and medical communities had a different opinion.
 
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