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2021-12-01 3:27:34 PM  
So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?
 
2021-12-01 3:58:40 PM  
What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?
 
2021-12-01 4:52:22 PM  
"Who's that knocking at the door, who's that knocking at the door, who's that knocking at the door?" Cried the fair young student
 
2021-12-01 4:53:54 PM  

TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?


Lord of the Flies for a new age.  The survival skills were always needed
 
2021-12-01 4:54:07 PM  
Maybe there should be some safety gear for students left locked in the hallways
 
2021-12-01 4:54:13 PM  
I dunno. Cops seem like the kind of people that would say "bro" a lot.
 
2021-12-01 4:56:09 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


I think part of most active shooter protocols is to not only lock the door but push as much sh*t from the classroom as you can in front of it...desks, tables, anything you can get your hands on.  Pile it all up to slow down someone coming in.
 
2021-12-01 4:57:34 PM  

fragMasterFlash: are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


That would be kinda dumb.
 
2021-12-01 4:58:00 PM  
The 2nd amendment is a curse upon this country.
 
2021-12-01 4:59:49 PM  
There's a video on Reddit of a barricaded class refusing to open its door when a cop in the hall said "bro".

Pretty astute.
 
2021-12-01 5:04:04 PM  
I mean, it's pretty obvious it was the shooter; if it was a real police officer they would have shot through the door for not complying with a lawful order and shot all the minority kids inside just to be safe.
 
2021-12-01 5:04:09 PM  

Fano: "Who's that knocking at the door, who's that knocking at the door, who's that knocking at the door?" Cried the fair young student


It's Barnacle Bill the Sailor.
 
2021-12-01 5:05:03 PM  
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Looks like he would have had a helluva future on Fark.
 
2021-12-01 5:05:06 PM  
Ok. So the shooter went into the school and started killing people. But who is to say it wasn't in self defense? Maybe some of those students were looters.
 
2021-12-01 5:06:19 PM  
headline says the shooter

Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids
 
2021-12-01 5:06:24 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


i imagine it depends on the school. In ours, yes, the teacher can secure the door from the inside, and unless the janitor has his entire tool chest with him, or the one "true" master which is in a safe in the office that door isn't opening if the lock is in "lockdown" mode. The only way to put it in that mode and leave the room without is to literally jump out the window.

Staff and first responders have code phrases and warning phrases that they use to indicate its safe, or "I am compromised\want it to look like i'm telling you its safe, but it isn't".
 
2021-12-01 5:07:50 PM  

abhorrent1: I dunno. Cops seem like the kind of people that would say "bro" a lot.


It, in fact, was a cop (not the shooter) who said "bro".  But the students thought it was the shooter and wouldn't let him in.
 
2021-12-01 5:11:42 PM  

New Rising Sun: fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

I think part of most active shooter protocols is to not only lock the door but push as much sh*t from the classroom as you can in front of it...desks, tables, anything you can get your hands on.  Pile it all up to slow down someone coming in.


When warnings and threats are made, school administrators make it better by downplaying everything.  That always works, as seen here.

/who the hell made the call to minimize and ignore?
 
2021-12-01 5:13:39 PM  

New Rising Sun: fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

I think part of most active shooter protocols is to not only lock the door but push as much sh*t from the classroom as you can in front of it...desks, tables, anything you can get your hands on.  Pile it all up to slow down someone coming in.


But if the door opens into the hallway instead of the classroom per fire codes that pile had better be taller than the shooter and heavier than anything they can push.

dothemath: fragMasterFlash: are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

That would be kinda dumb.


That design definitely has its drawbacks and would need to be key actuated to prevent rambunctious kids from locking the staff out, but a deadbolt lock with a keyway only inside the classroom would provide safety from all but the most determined attackers.
 
2021-12-01 5:15:30 PM  
'Parents shared the video on TikTok'

Fake! Parents don't know how to make TikTok work.

It was posted before the kid who shared it had even checked in with his parents.  It was only when the news stations wanted to use the footage, and a minor can't give permission, the parents knew about the video.
 
2021-12-01 5:15:54 PM  
The idea that a group of high school kids would need to have been taught the skills to navigate this kind of situation is absolutely gut-wrenching.
 
2021-12-01 5:16:25 PM  
dothemath: fragMasterFlash: are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

That would be kinda dumb.

That design definitely has its drawbacks and would need to be key actuated to prevent rambunctious kids from locking the staff out, but a deadbolt lock with a keyway only inside the classroom would provide safety from all but the most determined attackers.


Wrong again, hippie.
Every kid in that school should be carrying a loaded 12 ga shotgun 24/7.
 
2021-12-01 5:17:52 PM  

dothemath: fragMasterFlash: are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

That would be kinda dumb.


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2021-12-01 5:18:53 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


You think there has been investment in public education infrastructure ever? My mother and I went to the same high school 30 years apart, they painted the lockers half way through my attendance but nothing else was done.
 
2021-12-01 5:23:12 PM  

fragMasterFlash: That design definitely has its drawbacks and would need to be key actuated to prevent rambunctious kids from locking the staff out, but a deadbolt lock with a keyway only inside the classroom would provide safety from all but the most determined attackers.


i can only speak for our school district, but there is a simple deadbolt on every door, which has a key that the "master" key doesn't work on. There is another "key" for it that is secured in case someone does get silly with the lock. The deadbolt can only be set from the inside.

The obvious concern is limiting access for the fire department or first responders, but a door isn't going to mean much to them if they don't have the key, and, well, they have the key.
 
2021-12-01 5:23:33 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


These days we tell kids to barricade the door. Sad but true.
 
2021-12-01 5:26:46 PM  

Geotpf: abhorrent1: I dunno. Cops seem like the kind of people that would say "bro" a lot.

It, in fact, was a cop (not the shooter) who said "bro".  But the students thought it was the shooter and wouldn't let him in.


Who can blame them?

Professionalism, what is it, bro?
 
2021-12-01 5:28:03 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: [Fark user image image 192x263]

Looks like he would have had a helluva future on Fark.


Make your list of trolls you haven't seen since Tuesday and rule them out when the reappear.
 
2021-12-01 5:28:10 PM  

kindms: headline says the shooter

Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids


A "parent" called into fox news with the tik tok video and lied about it being the shooter.

Fox being fox didn't check it and thus we have this stupid headline.
 
2021-12-01 5:29:06 PM  

Bandito King: These days we tell kids to barricade the door. Sad but true.


that isn't normal protocol for a normal lockdown, and if it is in your district, well, get a better district.

We had a scare about 2 weeks ago where some busy body called the cops on a guy with a gun near the school. He was a dude going out for the day on the first day of hunting season, carrying a correctly stored gun to his car. In his driveway.

My kids school is nearby, and they went into lockdown because gertrude called 911.

I asked my kid about it, and she had no idea it even happened, because it was managed right. Yes, there are varying levels of what lockdown means, but in this case it was the teacher locking the door, adjusting the shades, and switching to a seemingly random activity to get the kids in a certain part of the room.

We are very cautious with how we do stuff like that, because the last thing you want is something like a medical emergency or fire, and kids hiding or taking to the barricades because they assume everything is a shooting.
 
2021-12-01 5:31:09 PM  

TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?


Bear and wolf attacks have been down for quite a while. New skills are needed.
 
2021-12-01 5:40:40 PM  
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2021-12-01 5:41:06 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?

Bear and wolf attacks have been down for quite a while. New skills are needed.


Do you want more bear and wolf attacks? Because this is how you get more bear and wolf attacks.
 
2021-12-01 5:41:22 PM  

thiefofdreams: kindms: headline says the shooter

Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids

A "parent" called into fox news with the tik tok video and lied about it being the shooter.

Fox being fox didn't check it and thus we have this stupid headline.


"Lied" is stretching things.  They didn't open the door so they didn't know for sure who it was.
 
2021-12-01 5:42:29 PM  

WelldeadLink: Optimal_Illusion: TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?

Bear and wolf attacks have been down for quite a while. New skills are needed.

Do you want more bear and wolf attacks? Because this is how you get more bear and wolf attacks.


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2021-12-01 5:45:03 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?


The video is on the web. They had already barricaded the door, as is protocol in these situations.

In my day, we had tornado drills. These days kids have to learn how to ward off an active shooter.
 
2021-12-01 5:48:44 PM  

LineNoise: that isn't normal protocol for a normal lockdown, and if it is in your district, well, get a better district.


I used to work at a university and that absolutely is protocol for an active shooter. We had to take like four hours of training from the police department. Of course, we had different types of lockdowns. Active shooter was only one of them.

Best option: run. Can't run? Hide. The hiding part is where the barricade comes in. Can't hide and are about to interact with the shooter? Fight. Grab the heaviest things you can find and start throwing them or using them as clubs.
 
2021-12-01 5:49:14 PM  

Geotpf: abhorrent1: I dunno. Cops seem like the kind of people that would say "bro" a lot.

It, in fact, was a cop (not the shooter) who said "bro".  But the students thought it was the shooter and wouldn't let him in.


Or maybe they wouldn't let him in because he was an adult calling people "bro."

Good call, either way.
 
2021-12-01 5:56:08 PM  

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Christ - poor kid looks like the love child of Martin Prince and Ralph Wiggum. High school can be a cruel place for people like that.

Meanwhile, Mom is thanking Trump for protecting guns, and complaining about illegal immigrant kids getting all the breaks, how she can't help her son with 4th grade math, and how hard it is to live on $40,000 after the dad had a stroke and broke his back. (but apparently they could still afford more guns). It's on him now, but a lot of things could have been done differently by other people that would have prevented it.

Like maybe more parents like this: https://vimeo.com/652086517
 
2021-12-01 6:02:05 PM  

thiefofdreams: kindms: headline says the shooter
Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids
A "parent" called into fox news with the tik tok video and lied about it being the shooter.
Fox being fox didn't check it and thus we have this stupid headline.


Per other comments in the thread, the Mumbai Terrorists pulled it off posing as police, even used a hijacked cop car, New Orleans sniper used set of house
Masterkeys from a maid to surprise HoJo victims in bed. And lastly, school massacres have been #PureMichigan since the Coolidge Administration, 93 year old record.https://www.fox47news.com/neighborhoods/dewitt-st-johns/oldest-woman-in-michigan-113-survivor-of-1927-bath-school-bombing-recalls-school-massacre
 
2021-12-01 6:06:34 PM  

LineNoise: Bandito King: These days we tell kids to barricade the door. Sad but true.

that isn't normal protocol for a normal lockdown, and if it is in your district, well, get a better district.

We had a scare about 2 weeks ago where some busy body called the cops on a guy with a gun near the school. He was a dude going out for the day on the first day of hunting season, carrying a correctly stored gun to his car. In his driveway.

My kids school is nearby, and they went into lockdown because gertrude called 911.

I asked my kid about it, and she had no idea it even happened, because it was managed right. Yes, there are varying levels of what lockdown means, but in this case it was the teacher locking the door, adjusting the shades, and switching to a seemingly random activity to get the kids in a certain part of the room.

We are very cautious with how we do stuff like that, because the last thing you want is something like a medical emergency or fire, and kids hiding or taking to the barricades because they assume everything is a shooting.


You seem to think that there is 1 procedure. There isn't. We do different things for a fire vs an active shooter. I can't imagine what kind of condescending idiocy leads to people thinking it's best not to inform the students out of fear of panic. That's... just dumb.
 
2021-12-01 6:15:47 PM  

bhcompy: TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?

Lord of the Flies for a new age.  The survival skills were always needed


We can submit this to the writers thread
 
2021-12-01 6:22:42 PM  

Bandito King: You seem to think that there is 1 procedure. There isn't. We do different things for a fire vs an active shooter. I can't imagine what kind of condescending idiocy leads to people thinking it's best not to inform the students out of fear of panic. That's... just dumb.


you seem to not be able to read, because i stated in the exact thing you quoted that  there are various types.
 
2021-12-01 6:27:46 PM  

LineNoise: Bandito King: You seem to think that there is 1 procedure. There isn't. We do different things for a fire vs an active shooter. I can't imagine what kind of condescending idiocy leads to people thinking it's best not to inform the students out of fear of panic. That's... just dumb.

you seem to not be able to read, because i stated in the exact thing you quoted that  there are various types.


You did state that - but then you went on to yammer about it as if there were only 1.
 
2021-12-01 6:35:17 PM  

thiefofdreams: kindms: headline says the shooter

Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids

A "parent" called into fox news with the tik tok video and lied about it being the shooter.

Fox being fox didn't check it and thus we have this stupid headline.


And unfortunately it's discrepancies like this in the media that feed the wacko conspiracy theorists.

How long before the "crisis actor" accusations start flying?
 
2021-12-01 6:47:31 PM  

LineNoise: fragMasterFlash: What if a shooter jacks the janitor or other school staffer for his keyring at the start of their rampage? In this scenario would those kids have been shot, or are classroom doors equipped with locks that cannot be opened from the outside?

i imagine it depends on the school. In ours, yes, the teacher can secure the door from the inside, and unless the janitor has his entire tool chest with him, or the one "true" master which is in a safe in the office that door isn't opening if the lock is in "lockdown" mode. The only way to put it in that mode and leave the room without is to literally jump out the window.

Staff and first responders have code phrases and warning phrases that they use to indicate its safe, or "I am compromised\want it to look like i'm telling you its safe, but it isn't".


Who do they share the safe words with? All the students?
 
2021-12-01 6:49:38 PM  
"Plumber" ......"Telegram"...."Flowers"...."Candygram".... "I'm only a dolphin Ma'am"
 
2021-12-01 6:49:57 PM  

WelldeadLink: Optimal_Illusion: TommyDeuce: So, these are the survival skills children learn in the 21st Century?

Bear and wolf attacks have been down for quite a while. New skills are needed.

Do you want more bear and wolf attacks? Because this is how you get more bear and wolf attacks.


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2021-12-01 6:59:34 PM  

Fano: Who do they share the safe words with? All the students?


teachers, when there were rumors popping up on social  media  that an Asian gang was going to our attack our school the Chief of Detectives held a press conference saying "this is ridiculous, there is no truth to these rumors..." my friend taught there, he strolls into class that morning to find the all-achiever hotness Amanda sitting. And she wasn't there. I should add Amanda was the Chief Of Detectives' daughter. It was a long day, but he gave the punk kid who wore a homemade 'target' shirt to class extra  credit
 
2021-12-01 7:04:45 PM  

Geotpf: thiefofdreams: kindms: headline says the shooter

Article says it was a sheriff in plain clothes trying to relate to the kids

A "parent" called into fox news with the tik tok video and lied about it being the shooter.

Fox being fox didn't check it and thus we have this stupid headline.

"Lied" is stretching things.  They didn't open the door so they didn't know for sure who it was.


I was talking about the parent not the kids.

The parent was making it way more dramatic for fox because we know fox loves them some child murder.
 
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