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2021-12-01 12:46:40 PM  
Alabama already allows churches to form their own police forces with full police powers so Texas can't be out derped by AL. Surprised Texas doesn't have HOA Police forces already
 
2021-12-01 1:29:51 PM  
Too bad folks in Texas aren't real big on second amendment solutions. Oh wait...

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2021-12-01 2:33:41 PM  
Do dead kids hurt property values? Asking for a friend who is a kid-killing robot.
 
2021-12-01 2:36:04 PM  

mrparks: Do dead kids hurt property values? Asking for a friend who is a kid-killing robot.


Yes, but probably not as much as HOA-powered speed cameras.
 
2021-12-01 2:36:45 PM  
Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.
 
2021-12-01 2:37:06 PM  
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2021-12-01 2:37:48 PM  
if you belong to a HOA, you deserve everything you get.
 
2021-12-01 2:39:09 PM  
Organized vigilantism for profit.
 
2021-12-01 2:39:15 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


Do it the UK way and throw a truck tire around the base of the pole, fill it with gasoline, and light it on fire.
 
2021-12-01 2:39:39 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


The HOA fees will increase until morale improves.
 
2021-12-01 2:40:01 PM  
An HOA sends me a speed camera ticket they're getting a "thank you for the free toilet paper" letter with a picture of it in use
 
2021-12-01 2:40:12 PM  
What happens if they ticket a cyclist?
 
2021-12-01 2:40:27 PM  

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That's what we do in my neighborhood.

I've been trying to convince the board to shell out for reactive speed bumps, but they are kind of expensive and need to be removed before it starts snowing each winter.

The faster you hit the bump, the more violently the car gets jarred.  Roll over nice and slow and the fluid in the speed bump has time to move out of the way.  Hit it quickly and, well, you get a big jolt.
 
2021-12-01 2:40:31 PM  

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That simple solution does not generate revenue.
 
2021-12-01 2:41:56 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


I would prefer just to not live in a shiatty HOA-controlled development. If FedEx and UPS and all your friends decide they aren't coming around anymore, well... whose fault is that?
 
2021-12-01 2:42:26 PM  
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2021-12-01 2:43:34 PM  

mrparks: Do dead kids hurt property values? Asking for a friend who is a kid-killing robot.


I don't know about property values but I imagine it's just not done in their neighborhood.
 
2021-12-01 2:43:47 PM  
Next step: the HOA 'annexes' a part of the nearby interstate.

Fairmont City Illinois did this and had a full time radar trap.  Then, the feds or the state decided they had to share the revenue and they stopped.
 
2021-12-01 2:44:29 PM  
There's a neighborhood locally that has over 20 speed humps. Only SUVs can clear them without scraping. Apparently they're so bad that the pizza cos will only deliver to the entrance.
/think of the children
//my parents taught me to look out for traffic and stay out of the road
///I've never seen a child near a road in the last 10 years
 
2021-12-01 2:47:02 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


Brake cleaner on the polycarbonate lens..
Or Vaseline if you are less destructive.
 
2021-12-01 2:47:58 PM  
We are a nation of Karens.
 
2021-12-01 2:50:15 PM  

wildlifer: OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.

Brake cleaner on the polycarbonate lens..
Or Vaseline if you are less destructive.


Paintballs.
 
2021-12-01 2:51:42 PM  
Gee I wonder where Linda Harper-Brown get most of her "campaign contributions".
 
2021-12-01 2:52:02 PM  

ltdanman44: if you belong to a HOA, you deserve everything you get.


You sound like you were last homebuying a very different market than the current one.

/We're so farking lucky to not had to pick a place with an HOA.
 
2021-12-01 2:52:30 PM  
I will tell you, the most dangerous drivers in my neighborhood are not the teenagers with fresh licenses.  It's parents, usually mom, running behind schedule for something.

Took a peak at the map for the area in question in the article.  It does appear they have some long and straight enough roads where you can get some speed.  As has been pointed out, speed bumps would be a decent solution at traffic calming but not a revenue generator.
 
2021-12-01 2:53:41 PM  

cowsaregoodeating: We are a nation of Karens.


Maybe you're a Karen, but I'm not.

/you've been reported
 
2021-12-01 2:53:45 PM  
Tough shiat. If whiny bastards obeyed the traffic laws, they'd have no worries. Those cameras only record when the radar says a car is speeding, so the only privacy concerns are those of lawbreakers. fark 'em.
 
2021-12-01 2:54:25 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


You don't need to get that close.

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2021-12-01 2:55:40 PM  
They can't issue tickets to non-residents, eh?  I guess local Texans will know where to go to test top speeds on their vehicles, now.  You can frame the notice the HOA sends you.
 
2021-12-01 2:57:21 PM  

Grumpy Cat: cowsaregoodeating: We are a nation of Karens.

Maybe you're a Karen, but I'm not.

/you've been reported


I need to speak to your manager.
 
2021-12-01 3:06:33 PM  

OgreMagi: Violently attacking the speed cameras with bricks and bats on a regular basis would be the appropriate response to this bs.


Paintball gun is better. Splatoon the entire front glass cover to block the lens of the camera. It requires them to send someone out in a bucket truck to clean it off, but you haven't actually broken anything so it's not really vandalism. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2021-12-01 3:07:03 PM  
Lovely.  FTA:

In 2005, the Texas legislature declined to pass a bill by then-state Representative Linda Harper-Brown that would have given explicit authority to HOAs to issue speeding citations. Harper-Brown was responsible for the legislation that allowed red light cameras to operate in the state for more than a decade -- until lawmakers in 2019 overturned that law and banned all new photo enforcement installations.

This is the fine lady^h^h^h^hlackey in question:  https://lrl.texas.gov/legeleaders/members/memberdisplay.cfm?memberID=5568

Wonder how much she collected in "contributions" from these scumbags..
 
2021-12-01 3:13:19 PM  

wage0048: the fluid in the speed bump


It's a fluid? So you're telling me it's a speed bump in a flexible container that someone could puncture with a knife and the fluid would just squirt out and deflate the speed bump?

My high school installed one speed bump in a specific spot that happened to be right in front of the district office at the front of the bus garage. I guess the secretary and/or superintendent could look out the front window and get upset about high schoolers speeding past faster than they thought it should happen. Anyways, the first speed bump was made of asphalt. Statute of limitations is long past on this, so I'll admit it was me: *SOMEONE* got a couple gallons of Diesel fuel and poured it all over the speed bump in the middle of the night. The next day the speed bump disintegrated from people driving over it. It pulverized it to gravel. A new speed bump was installed, made of hard rubber. The speed bump was installed but right adjacent to it was some gravel parking that was never used because it was way out beyond what the lot would ever fill up with cars. So students would still speed past but they'd just veer to the side of the bump and SLIP/SLIDE/SWOOSH through some gravel, throwing it everywhere as they whipped around that speed bump. After weeks of this they installed a couple of wood 4x4s and a wood lattice to block passage around the speed bump. *SOMEONE* came in the middle of the night with a couple gallons of gasoline and burned the wood lattice and 4x4s to the ground...
 
2021-12-01 3:14:16 PM  

ltdanman44: if you belong to a HOA, you deserve everything you get.


Yep
 
2021-12-01 3:14:21 PM  

SummerOf69: obeyed the traffic laws


It's not a law. It's on private roads. Traffic laws (at least most of them) don't apply on private roads.
 
2021-12-01 3:14:57 PM  

CasperImproved: Organized vigilantism for profit.


But enough about the police.
 
2021-12-01 3:15:06 PM  
For the 3,468th time;

HOAs, never again, under any circumstance, for any reason, ever again.
 
2021-12-01 3:20:10 PM  
Why is it when you mix money and power over others you get a douche bag looking to punish the others. Every gotdamn time.
 
2021-12-01 3:21:41 PM  

farkitallletitend: Why is it when you mix money and power over others you get a douche bag looking to punish the others. Every gotdamn time.


My guess is Christianity.
 
2021-12-01 3:22:37 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Fairmont City Illinois did this and had a full time radar trap.


First, you cannot "annex" part of an interstate in Illinois. It might be within municipal limits, but maintenance and enforcement is still on the State of Illinois (IDOT for maintenance, snow plowing, etc. and State Police for traffic enforcement). If it's within city limits you can still have local police do traffic enforcement without "annexing" anything.

Second, traffic enforcement in Illinois has long been standardized. I don't know when - probably before I was born. One thing the state did correctly was make traffic tickets a standardized, criminal offense. It's a petty crime, so only a fine and no chance of jail time. Still, the state has supremacy for this and it means municipal governments cannot have any municipal traffic laws that mirror or closely align with the offenses made as law by the legislature. I.E., no city, county, or whatever can hand out speeding tickets as a racket where some local municipal court finds everyone guilty (or guilty with an explanation). Traffic tickets must be issued as petty crimes, on standardized forms, must issued by sworn law enforcement officers, and you must be given due process in circuit court. If you're found guilty, the state has a mandatory split of the standardized fines - most goes to the state and a small amount is remitted to the county and do the agency issuing the traffic citation.

The end result is that no municipality in Illinois can use traffic tickets as "policing for profit." They don't make enough money to make it worth having traffic details running speed traps because only a small amount of the fine goes to that municipality. The bulk goes to the state. With the hourly cost of a cop (salary, benefits, and then the cost of all the equipment) it isn't profitable to have them go issue traffic tickets.
 
2021-12-01 3:25:48 PM  

sinko swimo: [Fark user image 300x169]


Speed bumps create noise pollution. You get cars that will THWACK-THWACK over the bumps. You also get cars that would be cruising past relatively quietly, but now you get brake SQUEEEEEEAAAAAAAL as they slow down for the bump and then exhaust VROOOOOOOM as they accelerate away from the bump. All this repeats several times throughout the length of the street if you have multiple bumps.
 
2021-12-01 3:39:24 PM  
Jesus... some of these southern states are just farking awful in so many ways... I'd feel bad for the people living in those shiatholes, but they keep trying to foist their shiattiness on the rest of the nation too.
 
2021-12-01 3:40:16 PM  
I walked past one of those automated speed cameras (not a trap, but one of those that shows you how fast you're going) while walking through my subdivision earlier, so I'm getting a kick......
 
2021-12-01 3:53:13 PM  

SummerOf69: Tough shiat. If whiny bastards obeyed the traffic laws, they'd have no worries. Those cameras only record when the radar says a car is speeding, so the only privacy concerns are those of lawbreakers. fark 'em.


No oversight over the speed cameras, so no way to know if they have been calibrated correctly.  Now toss in a few karens who think that a 5 mph speed limit is perfectly reasonable and will send you a fine if you are going 7mph.  This isn't about safety or catching lawbreakers.  It's a power play by the people running the HOA.
 
2021-12-01 4:01:41 PM  
Too bad speed cameras are completely illegal in Texas. But yeah, go ahead TX, make that money while you can.
 
2021-12-01 4:14:18 PM  

OgreMagi: SummerOf69: Tough shiat. If whiny bastards obeyed the traffic laws, they'd have no worries. Those cameras only record when the radar says a car is speeding, so the only privacy concerns are those of lawbreakers. fark 'em.

No oversight over the speed cameras, so no way to know if they have been calibrated correctly.  Now toss in a few karens who think that a 5 mph speed limit is perfectly reasonable and will send you a fine if you are going 7mph.  This isn't about safety or catching lawbreakers.  It's a power play by the people running the HOA.


I was a public works director. Without fail every single time we would get calls about cars "speeding" and "tearing down" our street or at intersections with no stop signs or stops on one side where "kids are always playing, won't someone think about the kids!!!" when we set up a traffic and speed study less than 5% of the cars were exceeding the posted limit.

And every intersection on the planet has to be a 4 way stop sign for some reason.
 
2021-12-01 4:23:59 PM  

eurotrader: Alabama already allows churches to form their own police forces with full police powers so Texas can't be out derped by AL. Surprised Texas doesn't have HOA Police forces already


All they need now is their own courts and they can have full-on Christian Sharia law. Funny how the backwater states keep doubling down on the things that make them backwater states.
 
2021-12-01 4:24:58 PM  
> but visitors who are not subject to HOA rules could only be sent warnings.

If I had a daily commute any where near this place, I'd try to rack up 2 warnings a day.
 
2021-12-01 5:03:23 PM  

Someone Else's Alt: I was a public works director. Without fail every single time we would get calls about cars "speeding" and "tearing down" our street or at intersections with no stop signs or stops on one side where "kids are always playing, won't someone think about the kids!!!" when we set up a traffic and speed study less than 5% of the cars were exceeding the posted limit.


When I lived in Delaware I read a newspaper interview with a New Castle County traffic officer whose specialty was responding to HOAs that would request an officer present to write speeding tickets in a development where residents were concerned about speeding. He would go to HOA meetings and try to explain what posting an officer in some area of concern and doing some speed and other traffic enforcement would and would not accomplish.

The things I remember from the article are:  One, untrained observers almost always greatly overestimate the speed of passing vehicles.  Vehicles doing 30mph in a 25mph residential area are often estimated by people standing on the sidewalk to be doing 45 or 50.  "They're driving like absolute maniacs and turning this into a race track ZOMG!"

Two, while there's often concern about nonresidents speeding through the development, about 80% of the tickets that do get written, get written to residents.  In one case, the officer said, he remembers writing a ticket on the president of the HOA who'd asked for the enforcement.

Three, it rarely results in modifying driver behavior in any lasting or meaningful way.  It lasts as long as the enforcement is present and that's it.

In any event, after all that, a lot of HOAs ended up voting against the added enforcement.
 
2021-12-01 5:12:13 PM  

geekbikerskum: Someone Else's Alt: I was a public works director. Without fail every single time we would get calls about cars "speeding" and "tearing down" our street or at intersections with no stop signs or stops on one side where "kids are always playing, won't someone think about the kids!!!" when we set up a traffic and speed study less than 5% of the cars were exceeding the posted limit.

When I lived in Delaware I read a newspaper interview with a New Castle County traffic officer whose specialty was responding to HOAs that would request an officer present to write speeding tickets in a development where residents were concerned about speeding. He would go to HOA meetings and try to explain what posting an officer in some area of concern and doing some speed and other traffic enforcement would and would not accomplish.

The things I remember from the article are:  One, untrained observers almost always greatly overestimate the speed of passing vehicles.  Vehicles doing 30mph in a 25mph residential area are often estimated by people standing on the sidewalk to be doing 45 or 50.  "They're driving like absolute maniacs and turning this into a race track ZOMG!"

Two, while there's often concern about nonresidents speeding through the development, about 80% of the tickets that do get written, get written to residents.  In one case, the officer said, he remembers writing a ticket on the president of the HOA who'd asked for the enforcement.

Three, it rarely results in modifying driver behavior in any lasting or meaningful way.  It lasts as long as the enforcement is present and that's it.

In any event, after all that, a lot of HOAs ended up voting against the added enforcement.


Yep, there are a lot of visual tricks you can use to slow down traffic traffic on residential roads, just painting narrow white lines in the roadway slows down average traffic by more than 30%.
 
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