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2021-12-01 2:26:50 PM  
Not much.
 
2021-12-01 4:37:04 PM  
Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.
 
2021-12-01 4:55:16 PM  
How much is that chicken gonna be after it hatches?
 
2021-12-01 4:56:29 PM  

make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.


Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.
 
2021-12-01 4:58:28 PM  
It will save us from Republican rule in all 50 states if the sticks in the ass in Congress can get their act together.
 
2021-12-01 4:59:03 PM  
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As somebody whose family are a bunch of fIsCaL cOnSerVaTivEs, it's frustrating how they always say they want governments to be run like a business, but still miss out on the old adage that businesses spend money to make money.
 
2021-12-01 4:59:17 PM  
A new report from the center-left think tank Third Way

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Like the center-left think tank the John Birch Society.
 
2021-12-01 4:59:30 PM  

make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.


My only child turned 18 back in August. Huge help this is going to be for me.
 
2021-12-01 4:59:44 PM  

kdawg7736: Not much.


someone get the lights.

make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.


And we're the ones being responsible by not bringing more crotchfruit into this world and contributing to the global population problem. sheesh.
 
2021-12-01 5:00:45 PM  

EyeballKid: A new report from the center-left think tank Third Way

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Like the center-left think tank the John Birch Society.


Gotta love how that Overton window just keeps moving further and further right, lol.

It's almost as if democrats are the new conservative party while republicans are busy going off the rails, or something!
 
2021-12-01 5:01:50 PM  

make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.


Well if I don't get all of the benefits, then no one should get any of the benefits!
 
2021-12-01 5:02:28 PM  

kdawg7736: Not much.


Too much for the slavers to be happy. Them there slaves might get ideas about earning more money. The pandemic has already thrown a monkey wrench into things.
 
2021-12-01 5:03:40 PM  
"A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
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2021-12-01 5:03:44 PM  
Zero. And I'm fine with that.

I wish they'd have set the income limit lower, and given those with lower incomes more. But regardless, this is good for families, good for communities, and good for the economy.
 
2021-12-01 5:03:59 PM  

MattytheMouse: EyeballKid: A new report from the center-left think tank Third Way

Stoppedreadingthere.jpg


Like the center-left think tank the John Birch Society.

Gotta love how that Overton window just keeps moving further and further right, lol.

It's almost as if democrats are the new conservative party while republicans are busy going off the rails, or something!


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2021-12-01 5:04:09 PM  
I asked around, and the general consensus was "about tree-fiddy".
 
2021-12-01 5:04:21 PM  

Kit Fister: And we're the ones being responsible by not bringing more crotchfruit into this world and contributing to the global population problem. sheesh.


Pet peeve of mine: there is no global population problem, anybody who says there's too many people in this world has clearly never been to Wyoming.

The actual problem is that capitalism is actually a very shiatty method of divvying up resources. As it turns out, when you need money live, accidentally only giving a few dozen people ALL the money and trusting them to funnel it downward makes a bit of a f**kywucky out of everything.
 
2021-12-01 5:04:49 PM  
I'm gonna pick a small blue state like Delaware. I'm gonna drive around and buy all the bags of cement at Home Depot and whatever, and I'm gonna horde them in my garage until the state begins building new sidewalks. Then I'm gonna sell them to the government at 3x the price. BOOM profit, and they'll only be able to afford a third of the communism, so I will save democracy and get rich doing it, like God intended.
 
2021-12-01 5:05:28 PM  

Weatherkiss: How much is that chicken gonna be after it hatches?


Oh yeah... this is EXACTLY like commodities futures.
'preciate ya.
 
2021-12-01 5:05:51 PM  

MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 425x102]
As somebody whose family are a bunch of fIsCaL cOnSerVaTivEs, it's frustrating how they always say they want governments to be run like a business, but still miss out on the old adage that businesses spend money to make money.


Businesses run on profits.  Government is social services for people who need them.  They don't even break even.

The entire analogy has always struck me as absurd.
 
2021-12-01 5:07:57 PM  
I was told I would save an extra 20% if I display my Socialist Membership card.
 
2021-12-01 5:08:30 PM  

whidbey: MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 425x102]
As somebody whose family are a bunch of fIsCaL cOnSerVaTivEs, it's frustrating how they always say they want governments to be run like a business, but still miss out on the old adage that businesses spend money to make money.

Businesses run on profits.  Government is social services for people who need them.  They don't even break even.

The entire analogy has always struck me as absurd.


It's a really bad analogy, lol.

Tangentially related, but I always thought it was funny that Ghostbusters was intended to be right-wing propaganda espousing the virtues of Reaganomics, because the ghostbusters wouldn't have needed to save the world in the first place if there'd been regulations in place and somebody had been like "excuse me, what the fark are you building this apartment building out of?" to Ivo Shandor, lol.
 
2021-12-01 5:09:37 PM  

Weatherkiss: How much is that chicken gonna be after it hatches?


"You have to pass it to know what's in it"
 
2021-12-01 5:10:36 PM  

whidbey: It will save us from Republican rule in all 50 states if the sticks in the ass in Congress can get their act together.


Your words vs. Corporate funding. I'm hoping better angels prevail.
 
2021-12-01 5:11:43 PM  
Nothing, since there's no reason to believe at this time that it will ever be passed
 
2021-12-01 5:12:46 PM  

special20: I asked around, and the general consensus was "about tree-fiddy".


You're no pollster ... You're that damned Loch Ness Monster!
 
2021-12-01 5:13:11 PM  
0

It hasn't passed, and it won't pass
 
2021-12-01 5:13:55 PM  

LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.


He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!
 
2021-12-01 5:14:35 PM  

MattytheMouse: whidbey: MattytheMouse: [Fark user image 425x102]
As somebody whose family are a bunch of fIsCaL cOnSerVaTivEs, it's frustrating how they always say they want governments to be run like a business, but still miss out on the old adage that businesses spend money to make money.

Businesses run on profits.  Government is social services for people who need them.  They don't even break even.

The entire analogy has always struck me as absurd.

It's a really bad analogy, lol.

Tangentially related, but I always thought it was funny that Ghostbusters was intended to be right-wing propaganda espousing the virtues of Reaganomics, because the ghostbusters wouldn't have needed to save the world in the first place if there'd been regulations in place and somebody had been like "excuse me, what the fark are you building this apartment building out of?" to Ivo Shandor, lol.


That's actually why I like Ghostbusters: The Video game. Because like, it makes it pretty clear that the villains are actually a handful of capitalists with literal god complexes whose legacies are continuing to fark shiat up long after they died.

What are we talking about again?
 
2021-12-01 5:15:14 PM  
Without reading TFA, this is what I have to say.

I am of the mind that it doesn't matter how much anyone will "save" no matter where they are.  It's about badly needed social safety nets and badly needed worker and family protections.  It's about giving people a chance where they currently have no chance.

All of society will benefit from better educated, happier workers.  And that includes the people that are paying the most for it.

Healthier, happier, better educated people have more of an incentive to work more and work harder, because they can see the results.  They have more money.  They spend more.  They go out more.  And as a bonus, there is less crime.  There is literally NO downside to it.

So I'm not even thinking about how this will save me anything.  I'm thinking about how it will help all those people that really need the help.
 
2021-12-01 5:15:50 PM  

UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
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So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?
 
2021-12-01 5:16:38 PM  
A butt load of money
 
2021-12-01 5:17:17 PM  
I see r/childfree has found this thread
 
2021-12-01 5:18:07 PM  
Ask Joe Manchin.
 
2021-12-01 5:18:21 PM  

Im_Gumby: special20: I asked around, and the general consensus was "about tree-fiddy".

You're no pollster ... You're that damned Loch Ness Monster!


...and you're ... YOU'RE GUMBY, dammit.
 
2021-12-01 5:18:44 PM  

Rucker10: LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.

He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!


They're only a "burden on society" when poor people have children. Know what I did with those massive tax credits I got? I bought shiat for my kid; stuff I never would have bought if I didn't have a kid. I hear that spending money like that helps the economy. Some of you act like we take that money and hire a nanny so we can go to Europe every year.
 
2021-12-01 5:20:25 PM  

Corvus: UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
[Fark user image 425x280]

So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?


Just like Biden's $3.5T spending bill, it was a good idea that now needs to be torn apart by Republicans in order to pass.
 
2021-12-01 5:22:08 PM  
Ahh fark, where the same people who complain about these bills are also the same exact people who complain about Democrats not passing the same exact bills.
 
2021-12-01 5:22:54 PM  

MattytheMouse: Kit Fister: And we're the ones being responsible by not bringing more crotchfruit into this world and contributing to the global population problem. sheesh.

Pet peeve of mine: there is no global population problem, anybody who says there's too many people in this world has clearly never been to Wyoming.

The actual problem is that capitalism is actually a very shiatty method of divvying up resources. As it turns out, when you need money live, accidentally only giving a few dozen people ALL the money and trusting them to funnel it downward makes a bit of a f**kywucky out of everything.


Matty. Dude. The human population has outstripped the natural carrying capacity, and destroyed so much habitat that we have to resort to all kinds of artificial means to try and meet food demands.  And even in places where "capitalism" isn't the way things are handled resource-wise, there are still problems with equally handing out resources.

Not to mention, your view of divvying up resources and such being the only hurdle towards sustaining the massive population we have is incredibly narrow.  It ignores the amount of waste generated by humans, it ignores the damage done to the environment and the impact each person has in terms of long-term environmental costs, it ignores the damage we do to other species by depriving them of habitat and resources they need, etc.

This may be a pet peeve of yours, but you're simply wrong. The human population needs to be at least 50% of what it currently is, if not smaller.  Or, we need to come up with as-of-now absolutely magic/science fiction means of producing enough to meet the demand without destroying the environment and completely retooling our way of life and impact on the earth to coincide with natural ecological development.

Also, your "have never been to wyoming" thing is laughable. Just because there aren't a lot of animals in one specific ecological zone, doesn't mean that we're not overburdening the carrying capacity of our habitat.  It just means that that particular ecological zone isn't one that easily supports our species.  There're plenty of places like that in the world. Desert zones, massive steppe zones, extremely mountainous terrain...life of every kind have particular ecological zones/habitat requirements outside of which they can't survive, or at least can't thrive.

Go back and study the concept of ecological carrying capacity of habitats. Go look at the actual, total impact and burden even 1 human places on the environment.

Then take a look at estimates as far as what it will take to produce sustainable technologies that will actually carry our current population.

Sorry, man, pet peeve or no, we areoverpopulated.
 
2021-12-01 5:22:56 PM  

UltimaCS: Corvus: UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
[Fark user image 425x280]

So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?

Just like Biden's $3.5T spending bill, it was a good idea that now needs to be torn apart by Republicans in order to pass.


The BBB isBiden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, or what is left of it after Manchin has his say.
 
2021-12-01 5:23:16 PM  

UltimaCS: Corvus: UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
[Fark user image 425x280]

So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?

Just like Biden's $3.5T spending bill, it was a good idea that now needs to be torn apart by Republicans in order to pass.


So your against the current BBB?

Go on the record.

You think it's a handout to the rich?


Or will you refuse to answer because you want it both ways?
 
2021-12-01 5:24:11 PM  

Gin Buddy: Rucker10: LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.

He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!

They're only a "burden on society" when poor people have children. Know what I did with those massive tax credits I got? I bought shiat for my kid; stuff I never would have bought if I didn't have a kid. I hear that spending money like that helps the economy. Some of you act like we take that money and hire a nanny so we can go to Europe every year.


The "free money" derpage should have clued you in.
 
2021-12-01 5:25:03 PM  

Geotpf: The BBB isBiden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, or what is left of it after Manchin has his say.


If it passes he will say it's horrible and a handout for the rich.

If it doesn't pass he will say it was wonderful and shows how much failure that Democrats are for nor passing it.
 
2021-12-01 5:25:08 PM  

Geotpf: UltimaCS: Corvus: UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
[Fark user image 425x280]

So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?

Just like Biden's $3.5T spending bill, it was a good idea that now needs to be torn apart by Republicans in order to pass.

The BBB isBiden's $3.5 trillion spending bill, or what is left of it after Manchin has his say.


This assumes that Manchin doesn't renege on this and complain that the rent is still too damned high.
 
2021-12-01 5:25:30 PM  

whidbey: Gin Buddy: Rucker10: LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.

He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!

They're only a "burden on society" when poor people have children. Know what I did with those massive tax credits I got? I bought shiat for my kid; stuff I never would have bought if I didn't have a kid. I hear that spending money like that helps the economy. Some of you act like we take that money and hire a nanny so we can go to Europe every year.

The "free money" derpage should have clued you in.


Where can I get some of this free money?
 
2021-12-01 5:26:29 PM  

Corvus: UltimaCS: Corvus: UltimaCS: "A two-parent family of four would receive or save up to about $7,400 from these four provisions," said Moller. "A single mother with two kids would receive or save as much as $15,000."

I've got a hunch on where the Third Way got numbers like this.
[Fark user image 425x280]

So you have given up pretending you support BBB now?

Now BBB is not "Hand outs for the rich"?

Just like Biden's $3.5T spending bill, it was a good idea that now needs to be torn apart by Republicans in order to pass.

So your against the current BBB?

Go on the record.

You think it's a handout to the rich?


Or will you refuse to answer because you want it both ways?


I've already been on the record in favor of Biden's bills. The question is whether you'll still like it when Republicans do whatever they want with it. Is there a limit where the bill becomes poisonous, or is anything and everything worth lapping up?
 
2021-12-01 5:28:07 PM  
destroyed so much habitat that we have to resort to all kinds of artificial means to try and meet food demands.

Nope. We easily produce enough food to feed everyone. The problem is capitalism. Food is made artificially scarce in order to drive profits.

Do you know how much food is simply thrown away?
 
2021-12-01 5:28:15 PM  

Kit Fister: whidbey: Gin Buddy: Rucker10: LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.

He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!

They're only a "burden on society" when poor people have children. Know what I did with those massive tax credits I got? I bought shiat for my kid; stuff I never would have bought if I didn't have a kid. I hear that spending money like that helps the economy. Some of you act like we take that money and hire a nanny so we can go to Europe every year.

The "free money" derpage should have clued you in.

Where can I get some of this free money?


Have a child, get the child tax credit.

If you buy a yacht or private jet, you can get some nifty deductions for those too. You have options.
 
2021-12-01 5:28:33 PM  

UltimaCS: I've already been on the record in favor of Biden's bills.


You mean the bill you just attacked for being hand outs for the rich?

That bill?
 
2021-12-01 5:29:21 PM  

Rucker10: LL316: make me some tea: Democrats are obviously discriminating against those of us with no children.

Bill Burr, if he ever becomes a dictator, said one of his first actions would be to give massive tax breaks to the childless or those who adopt.  I like this plan.

He was spot on. It's always seemed ass backwards that you receive tax breaks for having children. "Here's my little burden on society, where's my free money?!" F*ck that. I live in a smaller house, and consume far less than people with children. Where's my free motherf*ckin money?!


In the 18th and 19th century to a lesser extent "outbreeding" your rival nation was the strategy. Countries would  have contests with prizes for which woman could have the largest -tuple pregnancy. The idea that more baby = more better has been in effect for a long, long time.
 
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