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(Yahoo)   What do striking Kellogg's workers want? Oh little things like maybe a five day work week instead of a 7 day one, an 8-hour workday instead f 12-16 hour one and no, this isn't a repeat from the 1920's; except it kind of is   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-12-01 12:08:31 AM  
In 2021, as a potential strike loomed, Kellogg's stopped hiring workers when others retired or quit. The reasoning, the workers say, was twofold: It meant that the company would spend less on benefits and that there would be fewer workers to man picket lines in the case of a strike.

Remember that BS "worker shortage" you keep reading about?  It's really a "Capital Strike"

and these guys are the casualties:

"There's been times during Covid when we were 100 workers under what we should have," says Osborn, a man with close cropped blond hair and a quiet disposition that runs counter to the image of the burly union leader. He is 47 and has worked for Kellogg's for 18 years, often 12 hours a day, seven days a week.
 
2021-12-01 12:15:23 AM  
Now, the investment only goes to certain people, like Kellogg CEO Steve Cahillane. He brings in nearly $12 million a year in compensation, nearly 280 times the company average

Burn the facility to the ground with Kellogg's CEO trapped inside
 
2021-12-01 3:01:11 AM  
Well we're boned.

Only good unions are cop unions apparently.
 
2021-12-01 3:13:14 AM  
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2021-12-01 5:18:27 AM  
I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week
 
2021-12-01 5:29:21 AM  

Warrior Kermit: I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week


Retail workers would like a word with you


In the dark, with no cameras and with knives


If you think people shouldnt work so hard stop buying so much crap you dont need
 
2021-12-01 5:38:01 AM  
What else are they going to do in Omaha?

/JK
 
2021-12-01 5:56:19 AM  
Compromise it is, then.  One free box of cereal a month.

/Normal, not family size
 
2021-12-01 5:59:30 AM  

lifeslammer: Warrior Kermit: I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week

Retail workers would like a word with you


In the dark, with no cameras and with knives


If you think people shouldnt work so hard stop buying so much crap you dont need


You believe consumers are solely to blame for working conditions or retail workers rather than employers or state regulators? You sound like an idiot.

Basic humane working conditions should be enforced on employers by competent states.
 
2021-12-01 6:48:49 AM  
I keep saying we need to relearn the 1930s. Look at what can happen when a real left exists and impacts politics.
 
2021-12-01 7:09:44 AM  

Alphax: [Fark user image image 750x1057]


No problem for me, I don't eat any of that crap in the 1st place.
 
2021-12-01 7:27:08 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Alphax: [Fark user image image 750x1057]

No problem for me, I don't eat any of that crap in the 1st place.


Hah, ditto.

I honestly can't think of any brand-name manufactured food product that I buy.  I spend most of my time on the edges of the grocery store, not the middle.
 
2021-12-01 7:31:14 AM  
Read this and prepare for the new Labor War

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2021-12-01 7:31:42 AM  
Their CEO gets $15M a year? And treats his workers like sh*t?

Not gonna be buying anything Kellogs for a looooooong time.
 
2021-12-01 7:45:00 AM  
Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.

That's double what I make, but I work half as much.
 
2021-12-01 7:50:08 AM  

baronbloodbath: Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.

That's double what I make, but I work half as much.


Im not sure hes getting that 1.5x overtime pay... at that rate it seems it would be cheaper to hire more people..
 
2021-12-01 8:13:07 AM  
1920s?  Nah, what about the 1930s?  When Kellogg's (the irony of this strike for these reasons) pioneered the THIRTY HOUR WORKWEEK.Not kidding.
 
2021-12-01 8:34:26 AM  

Mcavity: baronbloodbath: Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.

That's double what I make, but I work half as much.

Im not sure hes getting that 1.5x overtime pay... at that rate it seems it would be cheaper to hire more people..


Years ago when I was working 7 days a week 10+ hours a day, the money was nice but it wasn't like I could do anything. I was so burned out all I could do was pay bills and buy food and sometimes I forgot to do both of them. It was a miserable existence, I finally quit when I asked for some time off, was approved, and then a day before was told it was cancelled. I had no farks to give at that point and lost so much because of working two years like that. I walked out right after that and was just done, felt like punching the boss but was too damn tired.
 
2021-12-01 8:43:14 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I keep saying we need to relearn the 1930s. Look at what can happen when a real left exists and impacts politics.


And FDR's biggest political threat was  a charismatic politician starting a popular movement to push him FURTHER to the left.  Good times
 
2021-12-01 8:44:45 AM  

Alphax: [Fark user image image 750x1057]


JFC no wonder everyone's so fat. I haven't eaten any of those things in at least a decade. Not out of morals or anything, but those are just boxes of sugar with different labels on them.

/still gained a few during COVID
 
2021-12-01 8:55:43 AM  

baronbloodbath: Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.

That's double what I make, but I work half as much.


That's the logic that makes basket cases out of so many young lawyers:  The firm is offering a six figure salary....BUT they expect 2,800- 3,200  billable hours from you, which is already more that the hours in a 40-hour work week for a year (2,050)  AND, as a new lawyer  you can probably bill only 1 hour per 1.5-2 hours worked without committing fraud.   So at the top end of that range, you are working a 17 1/2 hour day, IF you work every day of the week 365 days a year and even if your starting salary was $125K   that's about $18 hr  which, when you factor in the time and a half you'd pull at a retail position, is basically the same compensation as a barista or Mc D's employee these days  But hey, six figure salary
 
2021-12-01 9:00:50 AM  

Mcavity: baronbloodbath: Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.
That's double what I make, but I work half as much.

Im not sure hes getting that 1.5x overtime pay... at that rate it seems it would be cheaper to hire more people..


Oh that I am sure of unless they tagged him as "Managerial"  the Fair Labor Standards Act doesn't mess around.  And yes it WOULD be cheaper, that's actually the point of the mandatory time and a half, to economically incentivize hiring more workers.  But in this case, according to the article, this isn't about economics, the cruelty is actually the point, to drive out the legacy workers with the good pay and benefits so they can hire new people at lower rates and fewer benefits
 
2021-12-01 9:01:08 AM  
FTA:  "Kellogg's did offer a fig leaf..."

Did the author mean olive branch?  Or are the employees forced to work naked?
 
2021-12-01 9:05:06 AM  

EasilyDistracted: FTA:  "Kellogg's did offer a fig leaf..."

Did the author mean olive branch?  Or are the employees forced to work naked?


I want the workers clothed around my Cheese-its.
 
2021-12-01 9:25:35 AM  
I got this one

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It's just like I keep telling you.  You did it all by yourselves.  You PAID for it.  Don't come crying to me about it now.    A lot of you had many more advantages than I ever did, and you CHOSE to live this way.  It's on you.  You don't like it, farking drop out.  I did, and I never missed a thing, except piles of trash.
 
2021-12-01 9:26:57 AM  
Company: We need you to work some crazy hours for a while because our customers are panick buying and store shelves are empty?

Union: Screw the public. We don't care that these folks are making $30 an hour or more on overtime, or that this is a temporary thing. Put them back on 9-5 and let the customers starve.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the mentality of the American Union. A force that has only had negative impact on the nation for the last 50 years.
 
2021-12-01 9:41:10 AM  

lifeslammer: Warrior Kermit: I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week
Retail workers would like a word with you
In the dark, with no cameras and with knives
If you think people shouldnt work so hard stop buying so much crap you dont need


But they can pay for it.  The chain of logic stops right there--with the finger that pushes the "buy" button, getting you a little adrenaline rush.  That's the payoff--not the product.  Advertisers know this, and the stupid American public doesn't, and doesn't want to.  That would take the fun out of it, and god knows we need FUN.  All we do is work. Because of this horrible existence, your needs are few:  Everything just needs to be out there, somehow, waiting for you to order it.  Is this so much to ask, despite it being against the laws of nature?  YOU WORK HARD.
Here we go--another layer of illusion added, so that we don't feel guilty.  Now ask yourself why service workers hate you and everything you stand for.  Because they're a prop.  They're just the cog stuck in there to pretend that we still have "services," which frees everyone from the guilty idea that maybe they just want too much.  NO NO NO NO--we are HAPPY to serve you!  It's our life!

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Then we take our shiatty paycheck and go buy some services of our own, because Americans are incredibly stupid and like most addicts, they can't see the real problem through all the symptoms they created with their problem.

i started going into places and laughing as I say, I can't wait until it all crashes and burns, and people look at me like--like maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea.  Sure, you can't get Raisin Bran anymore, but you heard a bird sing.
But I'm a dreamer.  I don't have a billion dollars to brainwash you.  Advertising does, though. And everything is FINE.
 
2021-12-01 10:02:49 AM  

zgrizz: Company: We need you to work some crazy hours for a while because our customers are panick buying and store shelves are empty?

Union: Screw the public. We don't care that these folks are making $30 an hour or more on overtime, or that this is a temporary thing. Put them back on 9-5 and let the customers starve.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the mentality of the American Union. A force that has only had negative impact on the nation for the last 50 years.


You know I've seen many wrong takes here on Fark... but you may have just set a new standard of wrongness.
 
2021-12-01 10:06:27 AM  

zgrizz: Company: We need you to work some crazy hours for a while because our customers are panick buying and store shelves are empty?

Union: Screw the public. We don't care that these folks are making $30 an hour or more on overtime, or that this is a temporary thing. Put them back on 9-5 and let the customers starve.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the mentality of the American Union. A force that has only had negative impact on the nation for the last 50 years.


They aren't striking just for themselves. They're striking for future employees as well.

Claiming that cereal sales were down, the company threatened to close down two factories if the union didn't accept a two-tier pay system. Veteran workers would keep "legacy status" and their salaries and benefits, but new hires would, according to the union, pay $300 more a month for their health benefits and would be paid an hourly rate as much as a third less than their more-senior union brothers and sisters.

The play here is to create a second tier of worker without the hard won benefits, then over time make the job so unpalatable that legacy employees quit/retire.
 
2021-12-01 10:08:54 AM  

zgrizz: Company: We need you to work some crazy hours for a while because our customers are panick buying and store shelves are empty?

Union: Screw the public. We don't care that these folks are making $30 an hour or more on overtime, or that this is a temporary thing. Put them back on 9-5 and let the customers starve.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is the mentality of the American Union. A force that has only had negative impact on the nation for the last 50 years.


Would that be the last 50 Year when Union membership has been on a downward spiral?  The one one  where in constant dollars worker productivity has doubled, Corporate profits have tripled, but average household income has risen just 20%?
 
2021-12-01 10:47:30 AM  

xanadian: Tyrone Slothrop: Alphax: [Fark user image image 750x1057]

No problem for me, I don't eat any of that crap in the 1st place.

Hah, ditto.

I honestly can't think of any brand-name manufactured food product that I buy.  I spend most of my time on the edges of the grocery store, not the middle.


I mostly shop at Lidl and Aldi. Brand-name products are few and far between for me.

I'm aware that sometimes store brand products are actually made by the name-brand manufacturers, but I have no way of determining what is what.
 
2021-12-01 11:25:18 AM  
What do Kelloggs workers really want?  Just the DREAM, baby.


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Because if you believe in it, you must be asleep.
Or else you're a sociopathic greedy asshole.   A lot of Farkers fall in this group.
 
2021-12-01 2:31:48 PM  
Ok, so it's a 6 figure income you never enjoy because you're always at work.

Why would you do this? It's basically slavery. You are always at work. Yes, you can afford a nice car, yes, you can afford a house, but you're always at work. You can't enjoy those things.
 
2021-12-01 4:01:40 PM  

Magorn: In 2021, as a potential strike loomed, Kellogg's stopped hiring workers when others retired or quit. The reasoning, the workers say, was twofold: It meant that the company would spend less on benefits and that there would be fewer workers to man picket lines in the case of a strike.

Remember that BS "worker shortage" you keep reading about?  It's really a "Capital Strike"

and these guys are the casualties:

"There's been times during Covid when we were 100 workers under what we should have," says Osborn, a man with close cropped blond hair and a quiet disposition that runs counter to the image of the burly union leader. He is 47 and has worked for Kellogg's for 18 years, often 12 hours a day, seven days a week.


This is not at all meant to be an indictment of the union, but why the f*ck is such a scenario even possible under their contracts? That seems insane to me. I realize you never get all you want, but this exploitative nonsense was egregious a century ago. Like, it's why unions exist to begin with.
 
2021-12-01 4:03:15 PM  

lifeslammer: Warrior Kermit: I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week

Retail workers would like a word with you


In the dark, with no cameras and with knives


If you think people shouldnt work so hard stop buying so much crap you dont need


Uh, I worked retail for many years. There were both laws and company policies that we couldn't work more than 7 days in a row. Among others.

Now, if you're working more than one job? You're screwed.
 
2021-12-01 4:04:08 PM  

maddermaxx: lifeslammer: Warrior Kermit: I find it sad/wrong that most states have laws protecting state employees from working 6/7 days a week, requiring lunch breaks, paying o/t and yet the same states don't protect non-state employees with the same protections. there is zero reasons an employee should have to work 7 days a week

Retail workers would like a word with you


In the dark, with no cameras and with knives


If you think people shouldnt work so hard stop buying so much crap you dont need

You believe consumers are solely to blame for working conditions or retail workers rather than employers or state regulators? You sound like an idiot.

Basic humane working conditions should be enforced on employers by competent states.


By "states" you mean, like, government states, right? Not individual ones? Because these should be federal restrictions, not state ones.
 
2021-12-01 4:05:52 PM  

Magorn: baronbloodbath: Look, if the dude in the article is working 84 hours a week, non-exempt, he's making 106X his hourly rate per week.

40 hrs at regular pay
44 hrs at 1.5x regular pay=66 hrs

So if dude is paid $20/hr, he's grossing $2120 a week. That's a six figure salary in Bumfark Nebraska.

That's double what I make, but I work half as much.

That's the logic that makes basket cases out of so many young lawyers:  The firm is offering a six figure salary....BUT they expect 2,800- 3,200  billable hours from you, which is already more that the hours in a 40-hour work week for a year (2,050)  AND, as a new lawyer  you can probably bill only 1 hour per 1.5-2 hours worked without committing fraud.   So at the top end of that range, you are working a 17 1/2 hour day, IF you work every day of the week 365 days a year and even if your starting salary was $125K   that's about $18 hr  which, when you factor in the time and a half you'd pull at a retail position, is basically the same compensation as a barista or Mc D's employee these days  But hey, six figure salary


Sounds like lawyers should unionize.
 
2021-12-01 10:22:08 PM  

cryinoutloud: What do Kelloggs workers really want?  Just the DREAM, baby.


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Because if you believe in it, you must be asleep.
Or else you're a sociopathic greedy asshole.   A lot of Farkers fall in this group.


Zoltan? Dude, where's Ashton's car?
 
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