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2021-11-30 9:45:30 PM  
Yeah
Not how it works
 
2021-11-30 9:59:54 PM  
Big Alcohol lobby. Booze sellers and distributors have been traditionally against legal weed.
 
2021-11-30 10:39:00 PM  
"They say evidence shows that cannabis use at higher potency is associated with increased urgent and emergency psychiatric visits for mental health disorders, respiratory distress, uncontrollable vomiting, and poisonings."

Drunk kids denying alcohol use is my guess. In all my many years I have never seen any sane person lose their mind smoking cannabis, and not one case of "uncontrollable vomiting." "And poisonings"? wtf does that even mean?
 
2021-11-30 11:01:45 PM  
They can buy all the dirt weed they want.  And then fark off.
 
2021-12-01 12:40:13 AM  
Give me a gummy, one gummy only Vasily
 
2021-12-01 4:52:59 AM  

maddog2030: Give me a gummy, one gummy only Vasily


I would have liked to have seen Vermont.
 
2021-12-01 4:55:23 AM  

Jake Havechek: Big Alcohol lobby. Booze sellers and distributors have been traditionally against legal weed.


Plus Big Pharma.
 
2021-12-01 4:57:55 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Jake Havechek: Big Alcohol lobby. Booze sellers and distributors have been traditionally against legal weed.

Plus Big Pharma.


Plus Big Police
 
2021-12-01 5:03:03 AM  

Jake Havechek: Big Alcohol lobby. Booze sellers and distributors have been traditionally against legal weed.


Close: Big Pharma.
 
2021-12-01 5:05:55 AM  
Big Prison?
 
2021-12-01 5:08:45 AM  

Lambskincoat: "They say evidence shows that cannabis use at higher potency is associated with increased urgent and emergency psychiatric visits for mental health disorders, respiratory distress, uncontrollable vomiting, and poisonings."

Drunk kids denying alcohol use is my guess. In all my many years I have never seen any sane person lose their mind smoking cannabis, and not one case of "uncontrollable vomiting." "And poisonings"? wtf does that even mean?


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2021-12-01 5:20:51 AM  
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2021-12-01 5:26:12 AM  
First time I smoked a dipstick pre roll I had a pretty big panic attack.  That said I'm not a maple syrup infused titty-baby. I sorted myself out and got the fark back on that horse.

Vomiting?  Really?
Should we outlaw recreational chemicals that can cause vomiting? Do you farkers want to ring that bell?
I've smoked a lot of weed in a short period of time MANY times before and I gotta say the stuff is more like an anti-nausea effect than the other way around.

If you're seeing a lot of puking or freaking out by pot smokers I'm willing to bet there is something else going on in their bodies. That or we just have different pot over here in Oregon.

/I've been buying seeds from ILGM
//outdoor grow this summer was fantastic.  I need to get off my ass and start my indoor grow.
 
2021-12-01 5:31:36 AM  
Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??
 
2021-12-01 5:31:37 AM  
Yeah, sounds like canabevets BS to me.
 
2021-12-01 5:32:44 AM  
I guarantee you can walk into a Vermont liquor store right now and buy enough Bacardi 151 to kill multiple freshmen at a frat party. Stronger weed just means less smoking. F*ck right off with this fearmongering dipsh*ttery.
 
2021-12-01 5:36:05 AM  

mute_ants: Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??


I mean given the choice I'll reach for weed every time. Floating around the moon with zero hangover is pretty sweet.
 
2021-12-01 5:49:32 AM  

Lambskincoat: In all my many years I have never seen any sane person lose their mind smoking cannabis, and not one case of "uncontrollable vomiting."


Isn't cannabis an anti-emetic?

Def sus.
 
2021-12-01 5:52:13 AM  
It's Vermont. Half the bag is filled with diced wicker anyway.
 
2021-12-01 5:53:47 AM  
Heh, CSB: so I made some pot brownies the other day. Used a whole .85g of live rosin (Tally Ho). It was my first time using the rosin, usually I buy flower and decarb it and make it into butter but it's a lot of work. Imma tell you now, hot dang those were powerful. Took two bites and a couple hours later I ate all the food. That was fun but ill stick to one bite from now on.
 
2021-12-01 5:57:09 AM  
This is a bunch of bulls***. The vomiting is a red flag -- absolutely inconsistent with powerful weed.

Usually you can't get up off the couch to do anything about it -- then it passes, and the fridge is suddenly empty and you slept for 4 hours.
 
2021-12-01 6:01:32 AM  
Back in the day (1994) I had a 4' bong. Quite often it would make people vomit. However I attribute that to volume of smoke inhaled triggering a gag reflex. Since the weed back then was weak compared to today.
 
2021-12-01 6:16:25 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Back in the day (1994) I had a 4' bong. Quite often it would make people vomit. However I attribute that to volume of smoke inhaled triggering a gag reflex. Since the weed back then was weak compared to today.


I've seen people vomit from bong hits if they couldn't inhale the whole hit at once and let half of it sit for a minute or so.  Pot smoke in a bong gets stale really, really fast, it can make you cough your ass off at a minimum.
 
2021-12-01 6:25:54 AM  
Who would regulate it? VT still doesn't have dispensaries open yet, It's mostly grow you own.

/Jealous NH resident that lives on the border...
 
2021-12-01 6:37:26 AM  
Well they don't seem to be terribly conservative.

This is a press release praising access to abortion laws.
https://vtmd.org/client_media/files/H​.​57Signing_Press_Release.pdf

This is one condemning police brutality and calling racism a system public health threat.
https://vtmd.org/client_media/files/V​M​S_Press_Release_Systemic_Racism_Threat​ens_the_Health_of_the_Nation.pdf

And here's the actual press release which the article doesn't cite or link at all ffs.
https://vermontmedicalsociety51665.wi​l​dapricot.org/resources/VMS%20Press%20R​elease_Policy%20on%20Commercialized%20​Cannabis%20Sales%20-%20final.pdf
 
2021-12-01 6:43:47 AM  
I ripped 92% wax once and my mom called me. I started freaking out. Then I was like oh wait I'm in my 30s who gives a shiat. This was years ago.
 
2021-12-01 6:57:37 AM  
They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.
 
2021-12-01 7:03:14 AM  
So it will just take more mass for people to make shatter?
 
2021-12-01 7:26:11 AM  

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: maddog2030: Give me a gummy, one gummy only Vasily

I would have liked to have seen Vermont.


I have to be careful of what I smoke up?

/The guy that plays the cook, Tomas Arana, looks like the child of Kevin Costner and John Malkovich.
 
2021-12-01 7:26:43 AM  

Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.


I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.
 
2021-12-01 7:31:29 AM  

kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.


If you're halfway crafty you can grow ruderalis strains (auto flowering, no light adjustments, just plant and go) on your farking countertop in an aero garden (find them on CL used all the time) and have a never-ending supply of low-yield weed in the 10-17% range.
By the second or third crop you'll have paid everything off, especially if you know how to prune for best growth.

It's called weed for a reason, anyone can grow it, and with a ruderalis strain you can be about as dumb as the plant and still have your own home-grown weed to smoke.
 
2021-12-01 7:32:26 AM  

omg bbq: kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.

If you're halfway crafty you can grow ruderalis strains (auto flowering, no light adjustments, just plant and go) on your farking countertop in an aero garden (find them on CL used all the time) and have a never-ending supply of low-yield weed in the 10-17% range.
By the second or third crop you'll have paid everything off, especially if you know how to prune for best growth.

It's called weed for a reason, anyone can grow it, and with a ruderalis strain you can be about as dumb as the plant and still have your own home-grown weed to smoke.


You can get the autoflowering seeds on ILGM.
 
2021-12-01 7:35:49 AM  

omg bbq: mute_ants: Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??

I mean given the choice I'll reach for weed every time. Floating around the moon with zero hangover is pretty sweet.


I agree completely. I stopped drinking because I hated the way it left me feeling the next day.
That being said, edibles tend to make me projectile vomit without actually getting sick, so I stick with the old school method of lighting it on fire
 
2021-12-01 7:43:55 AM  

omg bbq: omg bbq: kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.

If you're halfway crafty you can grow ruderalis strains (auto flowering, no light adjustments, just plant and go) on your farking countertop in an aero garden (find them on CL used all the time) and have a never-ending supply of low-yield weed in the 10-17% range.
By the second or third crop you'll have paid everything off, especially if you know how to prune for best growth.

It's called weed for a reason, anyone can grow it, and with a ruderalis strain you can be about as dumb as the plant and still have your own home-grown weed to smoke.

You can get the autoflowering seeds on ILGM.


Sadly, I now live in Japan where even saying "the marijuana ain't so bad" can get you in trouble... but in the event I ever move back, I'll take that advice and use it.
 
2021-12-01 7:44:41 AM  

mute_ants: omg bbq: mute_ants: Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??

I mean given the choice I'll reach for weed every time. Floating around the moon with zero hangover is pretty sweet.

I agree completely. I stopped drinking because I hated the way it left me feeling the next day.
That being said, edibles tend to make me projectile vomit without actually getting sick, so I stick with the old school method of lighting it on fire


Ever seen one of these?

https://www.davincivaporizer.com/miqr​o​-vaporizer/

You pack flower into the bottom and it bakes it.  I have mine set to /cough 420 degrees. Once it reaches temp you have like 5 minutes to nurse on it until it's done. Then you empty the browned and baked bits of flower and it's ready to go again if you need/want/wish.

I love rolling joints but with harsher weed or when you don't want all that smoke in your lungs it's nice.  (It still smokes, but nothing like burning the stuff in a joint or pipe).

It's a neat little option.  Often you can give the same load of flower a second bake and get some more out of it too.
 
2021-12-01 7:47:00 AM  

kyuzokai: omg bbq: omg bbq: kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.

If you're halfway crafty you can grow ruderalis strains (auto flowering, no light adjustments, just plant and go) on your farking countertop in an aero garden (find them on CL used all the time) and have a never-ending supply of low-yield weed in the 10-17% range.
By the second or third crop you'll have paid everything off, especially if you know how to prune for best growth.

It's called weed for a reason, anyone can grow it, and with a ruderalis strain you can be about as dumb as the plant and still have your own home-grown weed to smoke.

You can get the autoflowering seeds on ILGM.

Sadly, I now live in Japan where even saying "the marijuana ain't so bad" can get you in trouble... but in the event I ever move back, I'll take that advice and use it.


Kinda jealous just because I would eat my way up and down and back and forth across that country.
 
2021-12-01 7:48:13 AM  

kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.


My med dispensary keeps low octane (7-15%) for people who prefer it. The higher end stuff usually measures about 25-30% which would be a lot for a beginner or someone who only sort of needs it.
 
2021-12-01 7:51:10 AM  

Lambskincoat: "They say evidence shows that cannabis use at higher potency is associated with increased urgent and emergency psychiatric visits for mental health disorders, respiratory distress, uncontrollable vomiting, and poisonings."

Drunk kids denying alcohol use is my guess. In all my many years I have never seen any sane person lose their mind smoking cannabis, and not one case of "uncontrollable vomiting." "And poisonings"? wtf does that even mean?


Once - exactly once - there was a friend of ours that overdid it.  He was sitting in a lawnchair saying, "Call 911.  I'm not doing well."

To which our response was, "Shut up, Bill.  You're just freaking out."

10 minutes later he was just fine.

There is no such thing as anyone getting sick or being poisoned from smoking bud.  Mixing it with alcohol is pretty much the only way I've ever seen anyone get sick at all.
 
2021-12-01 7:57:31 AM  
hey Susy Pearlclutcher -  just because you can't handle your high doesn't me no one can.
 
2021-12-01 7:59:09 AM  
My advice to the good people of Vermont is to be very careful about laws that purport to arise from concerns about public health but which are in reality efforts by certain interests to take away your rights one at a time.  First they'll put caps on THC potency in weed.  Then they force you to get vaccinated.  Then they come for your kids.  You'd better stand and fight this kind of thing before it's too late.

Smoking GNU: Yeah, sounds like canabevets BS to me.


If the reference is to me, and if the implication is that I submitted this, I didn't.  I respect your opinion, however, because I'm sure that you know more about weed than any pointy headed MD.
 
2021-12-01 8:15:30 AM  

tirob: My advice to the good people of Vermont is to be very careful about laws that purport to arise from concerns about public health but which are in reality efforts by certain interests to take away your rights one at a time.  First they'll put caps on THC potency in weed.  Then they force you to get vaccinated.  Then they come for your kids.  You'd better stand and fight this kind of thing before it's too late.

Smoking GNU: Yeah, sounds like canabevets BS to me.

If the reference is to me, and if the implication is that I submitted this, I didn't.  I respect your opinion, however, because I'm sure that you know more about weed than any pointy headed MD.


MD from Upstairs Above The Convenience Store School.
 
2021-12-01 8:21:06 AM  

omg bbq: mute_ants: omg bbq: mute_ants: Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??

I mean given the choice I'll reach for weed every time. Floating around the moon with zero hangover is pretty sweet.

I agree completely. I stopped drinking because I hated the way it left me feeling the next day.
That being said, edibles tend to make me projectile vomit without actually getting sick, so I stick with the old school method of lighting it on fire

Ever seen one of these?

https://www.davincivaporizer.com/miqro​-vaporizer/

You pack flower into the bottom and it bakes it.  I have mine set to /cough 420 degrees. Once it reaches temp you have like 5 minutes to nurse on it until it's done. Then you empty the browned and baked bits of flower and it's ready to go again if you need/want/wish.

I love rolling joints but with harsher weed or when you don't want all that smoke in your lungs it's nice.  (It still smokes, but nothing like burning the stuff in a joint or pipe).

It's a neat little option.  Often you can give the same load of flower a second bake and get some more out of it too.


I have a crafty+ it's what I use the most I absolutely love it.

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2021-12-01 8:32:42 AM  
Next, they be regulating Roofies.
 
2021-12-01 8:43:44 AM  
Sometimes, less is more.
 
2021-12-01 8:48:01 AM  

kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.


Just get some cheap assed CBD hemp and blend. Seriously, did you never even consider this?
 
2021-12-01 8:49:34 AM  

Marcos P: omg bbq: mute_ants: omg bbq: mute_ants: Oh then I guess I'm not supposed to drink grain alcohol either??

I mean given the choice I'll reach for weed every time. Floating around the moon with zero hangover is pretty sweet.

I agree completely. I stopped drinking because I hated the way it left me feeling the next day.
That being said, edibles tend to make me projectile vomit without actually getting sick, so I stick with the old school method of lighting it on fire

Ever seen one of these?

https://www.davincivaporizer.com/miqro​-vaporizer/

You pack flower into the bottom and it bakes it.  I have mine set to /cough 420 degrees. Once it reaches temp you have like 5 minutes to nurse on it until it's done. Then you empty the browned and baked bits of flower and it's ready to go again if you need/want/wish.

I love rolling joints but with harsher weed or when you don't want all that smoke in your lungs it's nice.  (It still smokes, but nothing like burning the stuff in a joint or pipe).

It's a neat little option.  Often you can give the same load of flower a second bake and get some more out of it too.

I have a crafty+ it's what I use the most I absolutely love it.

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i've got the Crafty and a Pax 3 ,The crafty i find to be much harsher and i rarely use it (i set it at around 380-390) , the PAX i use daily as it's much much smoother (it's set at a 2/4 heat)
 
2021-12-01 8:56:28 AM  
The vomiting stuff is probably referencing cannabis hyperemesis syndrome, which indeed is triggered by overconsumption of super high THC weed or concentrates. It's also rare, but less rare than you might think. My nephew is a NP in Denver and says he regularly shoves these cyclically vomiting types into a hot bath until they stabilize and send them home.

But the idea of more prohibition can suck the sweat off my taint. It's kind of like saying, ban vodka but only allow beer. No, high THC weed shouldn't be "banned" - such a stupid approach. But people really do need to be educated on weed. This ain't the friggin 70s. Dispensary weed is ridiculously hybridized and potent typically has no CBD in it at all. If you go through a couple grams of that shiat a day or so (a lot of people do) it's gonna fark with you. All this anxiety shiat never existed back in the day when you had weed that was probably 5% THCA and 3% CBDA....

The overall best experiences I have with weed are with a spectrum of cannabinods that include both THC and CBD. The equivalent of a nice porter, say, instead of taking a shot of vodka. And the buzz is definitely different.

The frigging endocannabinoid system was only discovered in the 1992. And prohibition continues to stifle research. We know next to nothing about the long term effects of high cannabinoid consumption. That's not gonna stop me from using it regularly, however. Some people have to quit in order to restore their sanity... and then deal with the underlying issues that led to overconsumption in the first place. Substance abuse is not a straightforward thing.
 
2021-12-01 8:57:46 AM  
I don't use it, so I don't really care about the potency. But, damn, skunk stinks.  Back in the day pot smelled good, now my whole neighborhood smells like a gang war over stripes vs spots!
 
2021-12-01 9:12:59 AM  
Delta-8 is nice if you like a milder high.
 
2021-12-01 9:20:26 AM  

b0rscht: kyuzokai: Chompachangas: They should keep the strong stuff AND make a lite version for folks like me.

I'm kinda on this tip. When I lived in Colorado, I loved hitting the dispensary, but practically everything was 25% and above. That's great for loading up my vaporizer or packing the glass bowl, but sometimes I just wanna sit down and enjoy the process of smoking a whole doob, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna go European style and adulterate the herb with tobacco. I kept wondering if someone would put out a 'rolling weed' strain that was like 10-15% so that old schoolers like myself could roll up some Js and actually smoke more than half of the damn thing before our minds melted.

Just get some cheap assed CBD hemp and blend. Seriously, did you never even consider this?


I smoke all-hemp joints and save the chronic for small bongs, rather than mixing them. I just like to keep them separate so I can dose either as needed.

I've been smoking farm hemp for a couple years but I got a medical card 6 months ago so I tried some actual Charlotte's Web from the dispensary and holy shiat, it's really really good, even at only 9% CBD.

I'm getting a set of these in the mail soon. Can't wait to try em.

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