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2021-12-01 12:27:19 AM  
I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.
 
2021-12-01 2:20:43 AM  
I loved working nights in retail/restaurant work. It's when all the weirdos like me were out and about. On my nights off we'd congregate at Denny's or Steak n Shake or the Red-Eye downtown. No real traffic. Grocery shopping was quick and easy.

As a truck driver I preferred driving at night. Now I do my writing and podcast editing at night.

TFAuthor's experiences were exploitative. But most graveyard workers I knew preferred it and weren't yanked around like that.
 
2021-12-01 2:26:56 AM  
How's a man supposed to grill a steak at eight in the morning drinking and smoking a cigar and laugh at the world . Subby doesn't like people much
 
2021-12-01 2:38:10 AM  
I've worked something between swing and graveyard before and liked it just fine.

The health stuff is a concern, but they might be able to address that by making night shifts shorter(for the same pay) and making sure people's schedules stay relatively steady.

Bottlenecks like the ports are a good example of when the graveyard shift makes sense. However, they should be making the jobs more sustainable and appealing so that they can actually keep everything running. As transportation companies make record profits, they should be raising wages and upgrading their facilities to actually support current demand.
 
2021-12-01 2:39:22 AM  

UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.


There are also a lot of people in the 50+ crowd that choose the graveyard shift.  The common theme is people who don't have young children at home.

The nice thing about 3rd shift is that it's laid back, there aren't a dozen managers to get in the way of you doing your job.
 
2021-12-01 3:21:49 AM  
I always just figured that one of the theoretical points of the graveyard shift was the keep the systems running so you didn't have to have someone like my dad show up an hour or two early to turn on and warm up every damned machine in the plant at once again.

\his plant didn't have a graveyard shift
\\rip, dad.
 
2021-12-01 4:46:24 AM  
Graveyard shift was my favorite. It would be sad to see it go.

/ Always weirded out the stores buying a twelve pack after work which was just past 8am.
 
2021-12-01 6:11:25 AM  

UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.


Yeah, sleep cycle cycling is farking murder to your body.  Back in the day, I loved the graveyard shift.  Wake up late, naturally, because it doesn't matter when exactly you wake up in the afternoon.  Go in late in the evening, with almost no traffic, before the drunks hit the roads en masse.  Drive home in the morning, against traffic.  

The things that make it work poorly:

- having to change shifts
- sharing a home with others who are active at home during the day
- sharing walls with others who are active at home during the day

Graveyard shift + having a family + sharing walls with neighbors + having to switch shifts is basically suicide.
 
2021-12-01 6:14:27 AM  
Well, someone has to be here at all times..
 
2021-12-01 6:43:10 AM  
I'm trying to get out of the graveyard shift.

It was fine when I was a twenty-something. Now that I'm not, I know I can't handle it.

My employer recently has had me on a few death marches and included wildly variant shifts, just to slam the point home with violent finality that I can't do this any more. The very last day of the variant death march, I woke up trembling and vomiting simply because of all the stresses involved and chemical supports.

I'm on leave now. Soon, something somewhat normal.
 
2021-12-01 7:28:59 AM  
I did the graveyard shift for 18 months at a colo. 15% shift diff pay was nice but I'm not a night person so I moved back to day shift.
 
2021-12-01 7:30:36 AM  
When my schedule doesn't otherwise dictate, I'm naturally biologically nocturnal, and my sleep cycle will shift until I'm on those hours. Don't try to get all the work done overnight, because there are NOT enough night owls to do it, but plenty of people will happily and willingly work those hours. Also, if someone is night shift, they need to be night shift. Period. Forcing people to switch back and forth wreaks all kinds of havok on their bodies, regardless of which shift they actually want.

The issue isn't having a night shift, it's JIT bullshiat creating a never-ending clusterfark. Fix that, pay enough that warehouse people aren't forced to constantly work 60 hour weeks due to understaffing, and stop treating your staff like they're organic robots, and you'll have no problem.
 
2021-12-01 7:54:59 AM  
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2021-12-01 8:23:32 AM  

electricjebus: UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.

There are also a lot of people in the 50+ crowd that choose the graveyard shift.  The common theme is people who don't have young children at home.

The nice thing about 3rd shift is that it's laid back, there aren't a dozen managers to get in the way of you doing your job.


That's one of the big things for sure.  You actually get work done.  I remember my crew would get 3+ times the work done of any dayshift crew.
 
2021-12-01 8:28:01 AM  

Izunbacol: UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.

Yeah, sleep cycle cycling is farking murder to your body.  Back in the day, I loved the graveyard shift.  Wake up late, naturally, because it doesn't matter when exactly you wake up in the afternoon.  Go in late in the evening, with almost no traffic, before the drunks hit the roads en masse.  Drive home in the morning, against traffic.  

The things that make it work poorly:

- having to change shifts
- sharing a home with others who are active at home during the day
- sharing walls with others who are active at home during the day

Graveyard shift + having a family + sharing walls with neighbors + having to switch shifts is basically suicide.


I remember having a loft apartment for a year.  That was murder - and my wife was going to college at the time so she was constantly to and from school.  To top it off, the apartment had this 15' bay windows that faced the morning sun.  I was constantly out of it.  As soon as possible, we moved within the complex to an apartment with shaded windows which I also covered with heavy curtains
 
2021-12-01 8:32:48 AM  

invictus2: How's a man supposed to grill a steak at eight in the morning drinking and smoking a cigar and laugh at the world . Subby doesn't like people much


I see nothing in this picture that requires working graveyard shift.
 
2021-12-01 9:23:17 AM  
Did nights for about 4 years on  a rescue crew.

It was more intense, the calls were better, less office calls, less administration and bs.

But it is definitely for the youngins.

Start a shift at 6 PM, take a nap from 0300-0500, get breakfast, then head to the pub at 7 AM and hang with the nurses.
 
2021-12-01 9:29:21 AM  
When I was in my 20s, working two jobs, 24-hour grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies were basically the only reason I didn't die. Besides which, there's honestly something peaceful about running errands, getting gas, etc., in the dead of night.

Overnight service jobs should be elevated, not derided, and god-help-us not eliminated.
 
2021-12-01 9:33:25 AM  
I worked third right after High School, making floppy disks. Took a class during the day twice a week @ Comm. Col. Other days went to the beach that summer. In the Fall; worked and schooled. Great time! This was back when there were Personnel Departments that would pay for classes, so I took a 1983 computer class. I got plenty of 'free' software (return because of 'blems' on the jackets. Saved all the diskettes from the trash and sold them for beer money.
Laid-back atmosphere, I think we smoked weed all but 2 nights in 2 years there. Plenty of the 'speed' from the back of magazines. Waiting for the packy to open in the morning and going to early bars at age 18 was a kick too.
/Still hate mornings.
//Unfortunate snowflake writer is unfortunate.
///I'd love to work third shift making plastic widgets but I don't want to move to China.
 
2021-12-01 9:38:17 AM  

dv-ous: When I was in my 20s, working two jobs, 24-hour grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies were basically the only reason I didn't die. Besides which, there's honestly something peaceful about running errands, getting gas, etc., in the dead of night.

Overnight service jobs should be elevated, not derided, and god-help-us not eliminated.


Meijer is now my go-to because they stay open til midnight. Formerly 24hr.

In the rare times I chose Walmart, there were lines halfway to the back of the store because they won't pay shiat and are understaffed. And you can't use cash - due to some alleged coin shortage, yet no other businesses have that issue.

Kroger I have come to loathe for similar reasons, but won't go into it right now.

Anyways, fxxk retail giants... Except Meijer. They are a little bit classier.
 
2021-12-01 9:45:32 AM  

BolloxReader: I loved working nights in retail/restaurant work. It's when all the weirdos like me were out and about. On my nights off we'd congregate at Denny's or Steak n Shake or the Red-Eye downtown. No real traffic. Grocery shopping was quick and easy.

As a truck driver I preferred driving at night. Now I do my writing and podcast editing at night.

TFAuthor's experiences were exploitative. But most graveyard workers I knew preferred it and weren't yanked around like that.


If you are a true night person, graveyard shift is the best.  The main trick is to stay on the cycle for weekends and not try to shift to days.  This works until you have kids.
 
2021-12-01 9:46:19 AM  
Oh so "that monster Biden is killing our longshoremen" is the current attack "from the left"?  Guess the executive orders must be working.
 
2021-12-01 9:50:23 AM  
Person who works graveyard shift says, Whaaaa was that?  Hangon, I just woke up

dv-ous: When I was in my 20s, working two jobs, 24-hour grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies were basically the only reason I didn't die. Besides which, there's honestly something peaceful about running errands, getting gas, etc., in the dead of night.
Overnight service jobs should be elevated, not derided, and god-help-us not eliminated.


People need to go the fark home and stop "needing" things in the middle of the night.   Business is CLOSED.  We don't need more business.  Jesus Christ, I hate this country.  Labor is not sacred.  It does not make you pure.  If you believe this, you're the  goddamn problem.  You're probably the reason business now goes 24 hours a day, every second of the day.  Because you're a  tool who believes that it somehow will bleed down on you, instead of just making you into a vampire with no life.
Well go buy yourself something nice for being such a tool, preferably in the middle of the night.  You have NEEDS.

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2021-12-01 9:53:34 AM  

Izunbacol: Graveyard shift + having a family + sharing walls with neighbors + having to switch shifts is basically suicide.


The only thing it is useful for is DOING BUSINESS.  It's shiat for being a human, but hey, we accept this.  Because we like money more than life itself.
We can stop anytime we want.
 
2021-12-01 10:09:06 AM  

cryinoutloud: Person who works graveyard shift says, Whaaaa was that?  Hangon, I just woke up

dv-ous: When I was in my 20s, working two jobs, 24-hour grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies were basically the only reason I didn't die. Besides which, there's honestly something peaceful about running errands, getting gas, etc., in the dead of night.
Overnight service jobs should be elevated, not derided, and god-help-us not eliminated.

People need to go the fark home and stop "needing" things in the middle of the night.   Business is CLOSED.  We don't need more business.  Jesus Christ, I hate this country.  Labor is not sacred.  It does not make you pure.  If you believe this, you're the  goddamn problem.  You're probably the reason business now goes 24 hours a day, every second of the day.  Because you're a  tool who believes that it somehow will bleed down on you, instead of just making you into a vampire with no life.
Well go buy yourself something nice for being such a tool, preferably in the middle of the night.  You have NEEDS.

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Dude. I was working 70+ hours a week to make ends meet, because going back to school to get an IT degree is expensive. I needed to buy food, gas, and prescription meds. You can GFY.

In other news, the people who work odd or long hours to provide goods and services to the 9-5 crowd deserve access to those same goods and services. ::glares at banks::
 
2021-12-01 10:33:33 AM  

dv-ous: cryinoutloud: Person who works graveyard shift says, Whaaaa was that?  Hangon, I just woke up

dv-ous: When I was in my 20s, working two jobs, 24-hour grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies were basically the only reason I didn't die. Besides which, there's honestly something peaceful about running errands, getting gas, etc., in the dead of night.
Overnight service jobs should be elevated, not derided, and god-help-us not eliminated.

People need to go the fark home and stop "needing" things in the middle of the night.   Business is CLOSED.  We don't need more business.  Jesus Christ, I hate this country.  Labor is not sacred.  It does not make you pure.  If you believe this, you're the  goddamn problem.  You're probably the reason business now goes 24 hours a day, every second of the day.  Because you're a  tool who believes that it somehow will bleed down on you, instead of just making you into a vampire with no life.
Well go buy yourself something nice for being such a tool, preferably in the middle of the night.  You have NEEDS.

[Fark user image 445x181]

Dude. I was working 70+ hours a week to make ends meet, because going back to school to get an IT degree is expensive. I needed to buy food, gas, and prescription meds. You can GFY.

In other news, the people who work odd or long hours to provide goods and services to the 9-5 crowd deserve access to those same goods and services. ::glares at banks::


AGREED!
 
2021-12-01 10:58:34 AM  

electricjebus: UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.

There are also a lot of people in the 50+ crowd that choose the graveyard shift.  The common theme is people who don't have young children at home.

The nice thing about 3rd shift is that it's laid back, there aren't a dozen managers to get in the way of you doing your job.


I actually took graveyard shift because I had a kid. That way someone was around to make sure they got to school.

It's fine if you don't need a social life, I just found the worst part to be waking up at 7pm on my weekend and not having a lot of daylight exposure or anything to do. Not to mention having to stay up 24hrs if I wanted to do something on a Saturday afternoon. Graveyard has It's purpose.
 
2021-12-01 11:22:12 AM  

UberDave: electricjebus: UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.

There are also a lot of people in the 50+ crowd that choose the graveyard shift.  The common theme is people who don't have young children at home.

The nice thing about 3rd shift is that it's laid back, there aren't a dozen managers to get in the way of you doing your job.

That's one of the big things for sure.  You actually get work done.  I remember my crew would get 3+ times the work done of any dayshift crew.


Yeah, that's a recurring theme.  When I started out on 3rd shift at my current factory we were beating dayshift despite having half the workers and the supervisor sleeping in his office all night... when he wasn't watching porn, they had to throw his computer away when he got fired.

At the last factory I worked at, 3rd shift was a skeleton crew mostly populated by new hires putting in time until they could get to 2nd shift or 1st shift.... but they still had the highest efficiency rating due to a middle aged lesbian who had enough seniority to get to dayshift... she just liked the night.

I've been in charge of 3rd shift at my factory for 2 and a half years... I've been beating dayshift routinely despite not having the support of warehouse or maintenance that they do.   I've been out sick all week and my guys are still running good numbers and they hold records on 3 of the 5 lines we run, one of them we just picked up a few months ago.

Most workers do want to do a good job, when you leave them alone they'll typically do it better.  I know I'm using anecdotal evidence... but when you're talking about a factory, numbers don't lie.
 
2021-12-01 11:27:02 AM  

GodComplex: electricjebus: UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.

There are also a lot of people in the 50+ crowd that choose the graveyard shift.  The common theme is people who don't have young children at home.

The nice thing about 3rd shift is that it's laid back, there aren't a dozen managers to get in the way of you doing your job.

I actually took graveyard shift because I had a kid. That way someone was around to make sure they got to school.

It's fine if you don't need a social life, I just found the worst part to be waking up at 7pm on my weekend and not having a lot of daylight exposure or anything to do. Not to mention having to stay up 24hrs if I wanted to do something on a Saturday afternoon. Graveyard has It's purpose.


It's got it's ups and downs, I've actually got 2 workers who chose my shift to get their kids to school in the morning... but mostly, it's people without young children in my experience.

Personally, the worst thing for me is the lack of good food in the morning.  I got tired of breakfast food after a few months.  None of the good pizzerias or steak houses near me are open until well after my bedtime.
 
2021-12-01 12:05:23 PM  
that there is a work shift at any arbitrary point on the spinning ball, day or night, is irrelevant.
All that matters is, are those workers on that shift (ANY SHIFT) able to be well rested, or are they overworked/very taxed, not able to lead a normal lifestyle in some way due to scheduling?


I've worked overnights, it's not an issue for people that can get their sleep during the day, or maybe not an issue of people that choose to forgo sleep so they can day time play.
Or workers that are made to work overly long shifts, which are often overnight shifts running a 2-3 hours longer than common 8-10 hour day shifts.

These are all business practices, that make that shift more dangerous, not that that time of day is in and of itself intrinsically more dangerous than other times. Especially at indoor manufacturing where windows are not at all common. So day or night is irrelevant to those working conditions.
 
2021-12-01 12:32:07 PM  
I never had a problem with graveyard shifts, my body adjusted within a few weeks.  What killed me were rotating shifts. Let me work one shift all the time.  The constant sleep cycle change with rotating shift is the worst.
 
2021-12-01 1:20:07 PM  
Mrs farkadark is a shift worker. Her work is used by virtually every single person when they wake in the morning (or whenever). It was not bad early on, but now that she is getting up there it's time for an early retirement.
BTW, if you are shift worker get your 8 hours. Keep to a schedule and make your room dark. It's not always easy, but will pay off in the long run.
 
2021-12-01 1:31:47 PM  

toetag: I never had a problem with graveyard shifts, my body adjusted within a few weeks.  What killed me were rotating shifts. Let me work one shift all the time.  The constant sleep cycle change with rotating shift is the worst.


We used to do it every 2 months. 50 hrs a week 12 hours a day. Then do it on nights for 2 months, repeat.

Now it's every three months. They say it rotates to be "fair" for everyone.

It's pure insanity and I refused to do it anymore and made my way to a different dept. A ton of places can't operate unless they're operating 24 hours a day. But give the people a choice.
 
2021-12-01 3:04:14 PM  
Including at the nuclear power plants. Nothing is so important it can't wait until morning.
 
2021-12-01 4:22:54 PM  

Izunbacol: Yeah, sleep cycle cycling is farking murder to your body.


Truth.  Only thing worse was when Mrs.Opticyn had a period where she was working two 6-hour shifts that were 6 hours apart. That lasted less than a week before she was wrecked to the point she just quit.
 
2021-12-01 4:51:23 PM  

UberDave: I loved the night/graveyard shift but it is for the 20-somethings.  Of course, I say that but wonder if I could pull them now without problems - I don't know....maybe.

But yeah, many people can't handle it.  It's difficult to constantly flip your sleep cycle and I think that's what gets most people.


To be clear, you're not some Übermensch for enduring graveyard shifts.
 
2021-12-01 4:52:52 PM  

BolloxReader: I loved working nights in retail/restaurant work. It's when all the weirdos like me were out and about. On my nights off we'd congregate at Denny's or Steak n Shake or the Red-Eye downtown. No real traffic. Grocery shopping was quick and easy.

As a truck driver I preferred driving at night. Now I do my writing and podcast editing at night.

TFAuthor's experiences were exploitative. But most graveyard workers I knew preferred it and weren't yanked around like that.


Did you work in 24-hour stores and restaurants or something? I worked retail and I only ever worked one overnight shift, and that was because the floors were being resurfaced overnight and a store employee had to be there to oversee the people doing the resurfacing.
 
2021-12-01 4:55:23 PM  
This thread reads a lot like, "Whatever, I loved working Thanksgiving and Christmas."

Like, great? This isn't about you. It's about the many, many more people who are forced to work these shifts and don't want to. I doubt anyone would complain if only people who truly wanted graveyard shifts were the ones working them. We all know that this is light-years away from reality.
 
2021-12-02 12:16:46 PM  
mandatory overtime, 7 day weeks, and double shifts are the enemy.  Even if overtime is paid out, anything over around 60-70 hours per week should be considered criminal abuse.  I know people can survive 80-100 hour weeks for years and years, but, quality of life goes down to 0 when there is no downtime or no leisure time.

Keeping a skeleton crew for a graveyard shift is fine, assuming the same people aren't expected to work other shifts,  so that they can more or less establish a normalized sleep schedule.
 
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