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(Eater)   Despite getting fined for refusing to accept money, ice cream store continues refusing to accept money   (ny.eater.com) divider line
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1225 clicks; posted to Business » on 01 Dec 2021 at 12:05 AM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-11-30 8:43:35 PM  
We have a local ice cream store that also does not accept cash. Is this an ice cream conspiracy?
 
2021-11-30 9:13:06 PM  
Quite an expensive hill to die on
 
2021-12-01 12:20:27 AM  
Quit fining them! They don't have any money!
 
2021-12-01 12:44:48 AM  

kkinnison: Quite an expensive hill to die on


Doubt they meant to - they just figured it was the usual NY showboat code enforcement that happens like once because someone got a bug up their ass, and then it's business as usual the next day.  'Cause that's how it normally is.  They're not used to actual followup within any reasonable timeframe, or at all.  Someone needs to keep this shiat in the stoplight it seems - which means somewhere it's either making someone money or more likely it's a tool to smack those that have pissed off the administration lately.  Or their cronies
 
2021-12-01 12:45:39 AM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: kkinnison: Quite an expensive hill to die on

Doubt they meant to - they just figured it was the usual NY showboat code enforcement that happens like once because someone got a bug up their ass, and then it's business as usual the next day.  'Cause that's how it normally is.  They're not used to actual followup within any reasonable timeframe, or at all.  Someone needs to keep this shiat in the stoplight it seems - which means somewhere it's either making someone money or more likely it's a tool to smack those that have pissed off the administration lately.  Or their cronies


Sigh - spotlight, not stoplight.  Aye kin rite gud!
 
2021-12-01 12:56:55 AM  
Cash transactions can be hard to trace for tax purposes. If someone stops accepting cash, it could create pressure to have other businesses refuse cash. If your money laundering operation becomes obvious because you're the last cash business on the block, how are you going to keep bribing the officials to look the other way.

Or you can make the reasonable assertion that not everyone can muster a card, and that might become a racists thing and not just a classist thing.
 
2021-12-01 1:22:12 AM  
Wait, we like cash now?  I thought cash was bad because people can evade taxes?
 
2021-12-01 2:07:23 AM  
I find cash to be a pain.
 
2021-12-01 2:55:23 AM  

kkinnison: Quite an expensive hill to die on


Yes and why would you not want to accept cash? It's the closest thing to "real" money that we have and yeah while it's dirty and a pain to count and sort you can do all kinds of shady and probably-illegal things with it. Why would you want to avoid that?
 
2021-12-01 3:50:34 AM  

EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.


George Carlin talked about people like you.

George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases
Youtube DO-inGy3DIc
 
2021-12-01 4:48:24 AM  

phishrace: EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.

George Carlin talked about people like you.

[YouTube video: George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases]


That's from when paying with a CC took a while, because dialup and shiat. Now it's faster and easier than cash.

Maybe if we got rid of everything below a quarter, I'd use cash. Keep your pennies and nickels, and I'm iffy on dimes.
 
2021-12-01 5:42:52 AM  

EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.


I prefer it. I know exactly how much money is in my wallet at any given time. It makes short-term budgeting much easier. As for the coins, it's not as if a pocketful of them weighs me down at all. Besides, I can calculate the total plus tax in my head quickly then hand over the exact amount if I have it or the ideal amount to get a round number back before I reach the till.
 
2021-12-01 6:12:03 AM  
I haven't used cash in over a decade.  This place is wired to the gills now every terminal also has NFC.

It is much, much more convenient.
 
2021-12-01 6:46:27 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Wait, we like cash now?  I thought cash was bad because people can evade taxes?


Exactly how many drugs over what time period do you have to take to consider this a witty retort?
 
2021-12-01 6:50:41 AM  
My local liquor store used to be cash only. They had fall off the back of a truck prices so I didn't mind.
 
2021-12-01 7:23:14 AM  

phishrace: EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.

George Carlin talked about people like you.

[YouTube video: George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases]


Meh. Most POS terminals are very quick with Apple Pay or other NFC. By the time the cashier has totaled it and the payment terminal is ready, I've *booped* my phone and then it's just a second or two before the receipt is printing. Cash would be SLOWER.
 
2021-12-01 7:56:18 AM  
I run my entire business cashless most everything  is done off my phone from booking to invoicing to taking payments. Cash is a hassle but I'll take it if I have to take it. I can see lots of reasons for not taking cash less for employees to steal, easier closing, no trips to the bank, faster transactions. It is bullshiat that a city can dictate what forms of payment a business can accept.
 
2021-12-01 8:13:46 AM  
Meh, have a hard time getting upset over that. Now, stores that have put up signs that say "must pay with Exact change only due to Federal coin shortage"? They can go to hell.
 
2021-12-01 8:37:55 AM  
The problem is opposite here. I've found that business around here are cash only, no cards accepted.
 
2021-12-01 8:48:42 AM  

EvilEgg: phishrace: EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.

George Carlin talked about people like you.

[YouTube video: George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases]

That's from when paying with a CC took a while, because dialup and shiat. Now it's faster and easier than cash.

Maybe if we got rid of everything below a quarter, I'd use cash. Keep your pennies and nickels, and I'm iffy on dimes.


I'm old enough to remember when most businesses didn't take credit cards and were happy to take checks.

Dimes, half dollars, dollar coins.  Zinc pennies are a health hazard and can do serious damage when eaten or stuck in noses.
 
2021-12-01 9:13:39 AM  
There's nothing I love quite like paying a bank - the institution most responsible for the downfall of democracy - to use my own fxxking money.

All you tech nerds would be happy to sell us all into slavery if it meant that you got to use some KeWL NeU gAdGeT.
 
2021-12-01 9:22:24 AM  
Cash is king. Why should we be giving 3% to Mastercard and Visa?
 
2021-12-01 9:22:40 AM  

mrmopar5287: phishrace: EvilEgg: I find cash to be a pain.

George Carlin talked about people like you.

[YouTube video: George Carlin - Credit Card Purchases]

Meh. Most POS terminals are very quick with Apple Pay or other NFC. By the time the cashier has totaled it and the payment terminal is ready, I've *booped* my phone and then it's just a second or two before the receipt is printing. Cash would be SLOWER.


This. Unlike old people and stay at home mothers of 5, when I finish loading my purchases onto the counter or belt, I pull out my card and stick it in the machine. Voila! All I have to do is agree or disagree when the clerk finishes ringing things up.
But I suppose it's better to watch some dolt open their coin purse and laboriously find exact change for their purchase, or even worse, giving the cashier extra money so they can get back a nickel, which always confuses the register monkey.
 
2021-12-01 9:25:40 AM  

RTOGUY: I run my entire business cashless most everything  is done off my phone from booking to invoicing to taking payments. Cash is a hassle but I'll take it if I have to take it. I can see lots of reasons for not taking cash less for employees to steal, easier closing, no trips to the bank, faster transactions. It is bullshiat that a city can dictate what forms of payment a business can accept.


To be that guy, the city is dictating what form of payments a business can't refuse.

It's a law that was passed in January of 2020 and went into affect over a year ago. Card-only businesses exclude those who don't have access to banking services, like poor, homeless, or undocumented individuals. This is especially a problem in quickly gentrifying neighborhoods where the developers would love to displace anyone who isn't pulling in 6 figures.

I understand that cash can be a hassle, but if you are a business that serves the public, there are certain public accommodations you must provide. Now, accepting cash in NYC is another one of those.
 
2021-12-01 9:36:38 AM  

Fano: I pull out my card and stick it in the machine.


I don't do that because I've found a couple situations where I did and then, right at the end of the transaction, something is wrong with the total price. Something in the order is the wrong price (not rung up on sale or clearance or whatever) and before I can say "Uh, wait a minute" the clerk has hit the button that syncs with the card reader and *YOINK* the money is gone from my account before I can object. Then it's a hassle to get it refunded to get it corrected.

If there is no Apple Pay, I don't insert the card until I'm happy with the total price.
 
2021-12-01 9:37:54 AM  

Gaddiel: Card-only businesses exclude those who don't have access to banking services, like poor, homeless, or undocumented individuals.


Green Dot cards can be purchased at any bodega.
 
2021-12-01 9:39:39 AM  

mrmopar5287: Fano: I pull out my card and stick it in the machine.

I don't do that because I've found a couple situations where I did and then, right at the end of the transaction, something is wrong with the total price. Something in the order is the wrong price (not rung up on sale or clearance or whatever) and before I can say "Uh, wait a minute" the clerk has hit the button that syncs with the card reader and *YOINK* the money is gone from my account before I can object. Then it's a hassle to get it refunded to get it corrected.

If there is no Apple Pay, I don't insert the card until I'm happy with the total price.


Even then you'll be faster unless you're up against Philip J Fry
 
2021-12-01 9:42:50 AM  

Fano: Even then you'll be faster unless you're up against Philip J Fry


Totally. I have my card in my hand, ready to go, so at least I'm on it with being that prepared.
 
2021-12-01 10:10:59 AM  

Cajnik: Cash is king. Why should we be giving 3% to Mastercard and Visa?


Cash costs are not as clear as credit (or debit) cards, but they are not trivial and pretty well known by any retailer paying the slightest attention. It's slower at the point of sale and to move into & out of registers. Slower and more expensive to move into and out of the business premises. And subject to a higher rate of mistakes and theft.

There are no laws anywhere requiring retailers to accept credit cards, but almost all of them do. You don't think most of them are making a mistake, do you? Many very small retailers are pretty bad businessmen, so bad decisions are not hard to find, but I think this one is too widespread to suspect that it's a bad choice for almost any.

I understand the ideas behind requiring cash acceptance, though I'd prefer bringing no-cost banking to all as a solution to the problem.
 
2021-12-01 12:22:45 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Wait, we like cash now?  I thought cash was bad because people can evade taxes?



The thing to reconcile is this:

govt want to collect taxes and cash transactions can aid in that avoidance, so one might imagine a cashless system fixes this issue. So of course they fix that issue no questions asked, right?

wrong:

2: becasue there is a higher demand on us as the govt of us, than just to be sure no one could avoid the taxes.
We the the people of the govt can't place cost barriers on us the people of the govt, just to get to participate in the economy of the civilization.


See we the people, we provide the 'cash' at cost to us to use for commerce transactions.
It would be way out of line of us, to say to us, hey those of us that have less, well sucks to be you now, becasue we stopped ensuring we have  commerce transaction capacity with the provided cash.
now all "the people," must go to the the My Private Market , and pay the private profit margins for translation fees on those cashless transactions, in order to get ot participate at all in the first place.

When the basic needs of civilzaiton are kept from you behind a pay wall, then you do not have civilization really, you are at the mercy of the market, free to exploit you all it wants, also free of obligation to care about your quality of life or any of the other concerns, that only a civilization can be bothered to care about.
The needs of a civilization are provided for by that civilization and the returns on those costs are the systems and services of the civilization.not everything that is necessary to have, can also turn a private profit too.If it was necessary than it was, and if you can't have what's necessary, unless you privately profit somoen else enough first, then the fook you do not have civilization, you have subjugation.
 
2021-12-01 3:17:15 PM  
CO enacted a law in Oct requiring businesses to take cash.  I personally prefer using cash, especially for smaller purchases, at food trucks and smaller stores.  What some places are doing, especially food trucks and bars, is refusing to make change.  So, technically they DO accept cash but you are getting a $12 sandwich and only have a $20?  Thanks for the tip!  They say they immediately lock up all cash which is BS.

There is a reason for the cash law and frankly I agree with fining businesses that refuse to accept it or play games.
 
2021-12-01 9:17:34 PM  

PvtStash: AmbassadorBooze: Wait, we like cash now?  I thought cash was bad because people can evade taxes?


The thing to reconcile is this:

govt want to collect taxes and cash transactions can aid in that avoidance, so one might imagine a cashless system fixes this issue. So of course they fix that issue no questions asked, right?

wrong:

2: becasue there is a higher demand on us as the govt of us, than just to be sure no one could avoid the taxes.
We the the people of the govt can't place cost barriers on us the people of the govt, just to get to participate in the economy of the civilization.


See we the people, we provide the 'cash' at cost to us to use for commerce transactions.
It would be way out of line of us, to say to us, hey those of us that have less, well sucks to be you now, becasue we stopped ensuring we have  commerce transaction capacity with the provided cash.
now all "the people," must go to the the My Private Market , and pay the private profit margins for translation fees on those cashless transactions, in order to get ot participate at all in the first place.

When the basic needs of civilzaiton are kept from you behind a pay wall, then you do not have civilization really, you are at the mercy of the market, free to exploit you all it wants, also free of obligation to care about your quality of life or any of the other concerns, that only a civilization can be bothered to care about.
The needs of a civilization are provided for by that civilization and the returns on those costs are the systems and services of the civilization.not everything that is necessary to have, can also turn a private profit too.If it was necessary than it was, and if you can't have what's necessary, unless you privately profit somoen else enough first, then the fook you do not have civilization, you have subjugation.


So we like cash only?
 
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