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2021-11-30 4:40:20 PM  
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2021-11-30 4:53:02 PM  
It's always a risk to gamble the company on new sources of revenue. A smart manager would have laid off 20% of staff, taken a bonus from the increased quarterly profit numbers and left to a better position somewhere else.
 
2021-11-30 5:24:28 PM  
Maybe take some additional investment on the condition that Elon STFU and not hang out with nutjobs like Joe Rogan?
 
2021-11-30 5:52:05 PM  
Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.
 
2021-11-30 5:53:30 PM  
Can't imagine this guy would mismanage a company.
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2021-11-30 6:20:34 PM  
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2021-11-30 6:45:29 PM  

delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.


They're reusable, so it's more like they need enough for three or four boosters and three or four Starships, that will be re-launched over and over again.
 
2021-11-30 7:22:03 PM  
As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention
 
2021-11-30 10:08:16 PM  

Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention


While I don't doubt they are taking a big risk with the endeavor, I too have trouble believing Elon's doomsaying. It sounds more like he's just trying to justify working his serfs employees to death again.
 
2021-11-30 10:08:52 PM  
The private sector can steal research, can buy research, can copy research, but they farking suck ass at doing research.

I was sure that the point of nSpaceX wa, after the Bush years of GOP rule gutted NASA of it experienced staff, America's enemies saw an opportunity to steal away a lot more of the USA's R&D ability by pumping up the private sector, getting Obama to privatize space with the SPACE Act, then wreck the big American space companies. The patents would be osld to foreign investors under the next GOP president, and that would be how the USA would lose space.

The slowness of the aerospace industry during the Trump years delayed it a bit, but here it comes...
 
2021-11-30 10:13:17 PM  
Pretty sure all of Elon's companies are one bad day away from going under. They aren't based on any real sustainable revenue stream.
 
2021-11-30 10:15:03 PM  
Here's where I am with Elon Musk: at least half of what he says is complete bullshiat. Hard to say which half.

Also - if this is true, it's almost entirely his fault.
 
2021-11-30 10:25:02 PM  

Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention


Amen.

SpaceX is not even remotely facing bankruptcy. Assuming the email is real, Elon is exaggerating. The thing is, Elon is in a hurry trying to accomplish certain goals before he dies and thus pushes people to work faster at every opportunity.  Frankly, he might get better results if he did encourage people to take some time off for the Holidays.

Trust Elon if he says what the current engineering plans are and areas of demonstrated technical competence. Don't trust him on anything else.
 
2021-11-30 10:25:56 PM  
Elon Musk is sitting on massive mountains of cash that he siphoned out of SpaceX.

But it is the workers, of course, that must sacrifice to stave off this bankruptcy thing.
 
2021-11-30 10:32:06 PM  
Musk added that even though he had planned to take the weekend off, he would "be on the Raptor line all night and through the weekend."

What in all possible good tarnation is Elon supposed to do in the production factory? Call some of the engineers pedos or something?
 
2021-11-30 10:43:48 PM  

delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.


They don't reuse engines on Starship?  Do you think he plans on blowing one up every two weeks?


Actually, that would be pretty cool.....
 
2021-11-30 10:47:48 PM  
Step 1: Part owner of private company leaks bogus email that the company is about to go bankrupt.Step 2: When corporate valuation tanks, email leaker offers to buy out his partners.Step 3: Desperate to save what they can, some partners accept the offer.
Step 4: Email leaker now owns vast majority of the company.

Possible?
 
2021-11-30 10:48:39 PM  
Not sure why my formatting got ignored.
 
2021-11-30 10:48:55 PM  

TheSubjunctive: Musk added that even though he had planned to take the weekend off, he would "be on the Raptor line all night and through the weekend."

What in all possible good tarnation is Elon supposed to do in the production factory? Call some of the engineers pedos or something?


This is basically calling the paparazzi so you can complain about the paparazzi. They'll throw a blanket and a pillow under his desk, claim he slept there, then get someone to call Wired and give them a tip that he's sleeping on the floor. It's all kayfabe because of course he had literally nothing to do with any of the work getting done. He wants you to think he's solving engineering problems himself.
 
2021-11-30 10:52:39 PM  

pheelix: Step 1: Part owner of private company leaks bogus email that the company is about to go bankrupt.Step 2: When corporate valuation tanks, email leaker offers to buy out his partners.Step 3: Desperate to save what they can, some partners accept the offer.
Step 4: Email leaker now owns vast majority of the company.

Possible?


You mean the guy that's already been biatchslapped by the SEC for tweets that violate securities law and is currently under a settlement agreement regardign SEC over his tweets?

Yeah, no one would ever notice his cunning plan.
 
2021-11-30 10:54:42 PM  

Decorus: Pretty sure all of Elon's companies are one bad day away from going under. They aren't based on any real sustainable revenue stream.


Except cars, of course, and space travel, and Starlink...  but other than those...
 
2021-11-30 11:02:52 PM  
But they shot a car into space. The money should be pouring in.
 
2021-11-30 11:14:55 PM  

bingethinker: delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.

They're reusable, so it's more like they need enough for three or four boosters and three or four Starships, that will be re-launched over and over again.


Don't interfere with their wonderful math by tossing in logical algorithms.
 
2021-11-30 11:26:04 PM  

The Bestest: Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention

While I don't doubt they are taking a big risk with the endeavor, I too have trouble believing Elon's doomsaying. It sounds more like he's just trying to justify working his serfs employees to death again.


I'm a spacex fanboy and even i think he's throwing a bit of a fit because his propulsion vp quit.
 
2021-11-30 11:46:40 PM  

chasd00: The Bestest: Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention

While I don't doubt they are taking a big risk with the endeavor, I too have trouble believing Elon's doomsaying. It sounds more like he's just trying to justify working his serfs employees to death again.

I'm a spacex fanboy and even i think he's throwing a bit of a fit because his propulsion vp quit.


So did his vp of mission and launch operations.
 
2021-11-30 11:54:05 PM  

bingethinker: delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.

They're reusable, so it's more like they need enough for three or four boosters and three or four Starships, that will be re-launched over and over again.


That was the theory behind the shuttle program too. That you'd be able to service and turn the vehicles around in a matter of weeks. They never even remotely came close.

In reality to turn one around every 2 weeks, you would probably need about 6 full launch vehicles and each one would likely need 3 full sets of raptor engines that would constantly get cycled out (you might get by with just 2 full sets but the extra set would give you room for delays in processing without delaying your next launch) and refurbished and tested every time they turned a launch vehicle around. With 6 full vehicles you'd be looking at about 3 months between flights which given the complexity of the system and variables and the level of care given to mounting and handling cargo it still seems tight by modern standards.

I know this isn't NASA so likely will be faster but if they can achieve a 3 month turn around on a vehicle as complex as starship without experiencing unacceptable failure rates, I'd be blown away.

That said, that's 6 frames x 3 sets of engines x 36 engines each or 648 total. Not quite 1,000 but still not a small number either. Then it just comes down to how many cycles you can get out of each.

Of course this is entire speculation but I highly doubt turning these things around is going to be as simple as restacking them and backing up the fuel truck to top off the tank.
 
2021-11-30 11:54:29 PM  
BTW, the contract with NASA for the moon lander is back on again, now that Blue (Balls) Origin's lawsuit was dismissed. That's $2.9 BILLION that should be coming in over the next couple of years.
 
2021-12-01 12:12:21 AM  

Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention


Best description of Elon Musk I've ever heard was on TWiT:

"He's a bullshiatter who occasionally delivers."
 
2021-12-01 12:43:47 AM  

The Bestest: Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention

While I don't doubt they are taking a big risk with the endeavor, I too have trouble believing Elon's doomsaying. It sounds more like he's just trying to justify working his serfs employees to death again.


That's almost certainly what this is. The guy has a knack for encouraging employees to meet a deadline for the Glory of Teh Shareholders' Q3 Expectations.
 
2021-12-01 1:12:18 AM  

delsydsoftware: That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.


I'm guessing the peak of liquid fuel rocket engines made per year hit the peak during the cold war with ICBM engines or during the production of the V2.  Those old engines were much simpler but used more complex manufacturing processes. Von Braun would have loved to have modern alloys and CNC machines.  The newer ICBM engines are mostly all solid fuel.
 
2021-12-01 1:22:43 AM  
Musk has teetered on bankruptcy before, most notably in 2018.  California gave him $612 million in tax breaks, and $7,500 for every Tesla car sold in the state.  Sales in CA were nearly 10 times any other state.

Maybe he should ask California for help again. Oh, wait...
 
2021-12-01 2:11:50 AM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Frankly, he might get better results if he did encourage people to take some time off for the Holidays.


Not really. It would get better results per engineer over time, but Musk is all about getting a ton from them in a short period of time. He's okay if 80% of his engineers burn out as long as he has a stream of fresh grads to take their place.
 
2021-12-01 2:22:20 AM  
Saying bankruptcy and layoffs are right around the corner is a good way to get your best staff to jump ship.
 
2021-12-01 3:22:07 AM  
Elon can't get hard without his personal space venture. He is not going to let Bezos and Branson fark Mars. Mars is his to fark.
 
2021-12-01 4:10:58 AM  

keldaria: bingethinker: delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.

They're reusable, so it's more like they need enough for three or four boosters and three or four Starships, that will be re-launched over and over again.

That was the theory behind the shuttle program too. That you'd be able to service and turn the vehicles around in a matter of weeks. They never even remotely came close.

In reality to turn one around every 2 weeks, you would probably need about 6 full launch vehicles and each one would likely need 3 full sets of raptor engines that would constantly get cycled out (you might get by with just 2 full sets but the extra set would give you room for delays in processing without delaying your next launch) and refurbished and tested every time they turned a launch vehicle around. With 6 full vehicles you'd be looking at about 3 months between flights which given the complexity of the system and variables and the level of care given to mounting and handling cargo it still seems tight by modern standards.

I know this isn't NASA so likely will be faster but if they can achieve a 3 month turn around on a vehicle as complex as starship without experiencing unacceptable failure rates, I'd be blown away.

That said, that's 6 frames x 3 sets of engines x 36 engines each or 648 total. Not quite 1,000 but still not a small number either. Then it just comes down to how many cycles you can get out of each.

Of course this is entire speculation but I highly doubt turning these things around is going to be as simple as restacking them and backing up the fuel truck to top off the tank.


This is nothing like the shuttle program. The Falcon 9's shortest turnaround has been 27 days. And they don't always bother to test-fire them before they re-launch, they're that confident in the condition of the vehicle. So only two boosters, each launching once a month, could give you this every-two-weeks cadence. But realistically, four boosters, 132 engines, four Starships, another 24 engines, plus a few spares.
 
2021-12-01 5:23:32 AM  

delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.


Well lets put it this way....when they got wind of the russian engines decades ago that were saved against orders to destroy them, the 200 engiens found were enough for decades of launches


Like always, musk is a farking moron who has no tether to reality or even common sense
 
2021-12-01 6:58:28 AM  
hmmmm, the fed's money machine is about to slow down its brrrrrrrr followed by mega billionaire starting sew the seeds of oh woah is me thar be bankruptcy in everyone's favorite rocket launcher.
 
2021-12-01 9:57:07 AM  

bingethinker: delsydsoftware: Hyperbole aside, he is asking for the company to produce enough flight-ready Raptor engines (which is the most advanced rocket engine built to date) to launch Starships every 2 weeks. That's 33 sea level and 3 vacuum raptors for each launch (assuming 29 engines on the booster and 6 engines on starship). That's almost 1000 engines in one year. I wonder how that compares to the yearly world output of rocket engines.

They're reusable, so it's more like they need enough for three or four boosters and three or four Starships, that will be re-launched over and over again.


On paper yes, but have they even been in orbit yet?
 
2021-12-01 9:58:33 AM  

TheSubjunctive: Musk added that even though he had planned to take the weekend off, he would "be on the Raptor line all night and through the weekend."

What in all possible good tarnation is Elon supposed to do in the production factory? Call some of the engineers pedos or something?


All he is going to do is slow down the production line and mug for publicity photos.
 
2021-12-01 11:01:58 AM  

The Bestest: Gubbo: As with everything, I don't believe Elon when he says something.

Now if Gwynne Shotwell says they are facing bankruptcy, I'll pay attention

While I don't doubt they are taking a big risk with the endeavor, I too have trouble believing Elon's doomsaying. It sounds more like he's just trying to justify working his serfs employees to death again.


Yes, he is saying "I have a problem so you have to fix it." Heard this crap plenty of times, it's just creating an emergency so people feel bad for you and want to help. It's amazing how often he needs to get on the ground and micromanage things and that people see this as a good thing instead of the dysfunction it really is.
 
2021-12-01 12:29:10 PM  
well it was a piss poor business plan to start with.

1: be a frivolous just for fun servcie for the 1%

2: sure but the service you got into if mo fooking costly to dev in the first place, and then mofookin costly to provide each time.

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3: just how much money did you imagine you could get for this from so small a % of the world's population at so high an investment and operational cost?


Should'a stuck to status cars, maybe moved on to yachts or something. but space travel? Someone was either woefully or willfully ignorant about the costs of launching a single rocket.
And this has not even mentioned the environmental damage done t the rest of us, in the name of frivolous thrills for the elites.
 
2021-12-01 1:32:09 PM  

PvtStash: 1: be a frivolous just for fun servcie for the 1%


tell me you have no idea what you're talking about without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about
 
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