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(NYPost)   With just four weeks left in office, Mayor Bill de Blasio is opening the country's first supervised shooting galleries in Upper Manhattan. Not for shooting guns but for shooting drugs   (nypost.com) divider line
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2021-11-30 9:18:47 PM  
De Blasio opening first legal shooting galleries for drug users in the US

I wonder if NY Post editors spent hours going back and forth at which sounded worse and legitimately worried "shooting gallery" might win too many points with their readers vs "drug clinic" or "injection center" sounding too humanizing.

/Also, as always, fark NYPost.
 
2021-11-30 9:31:12 PM  
Heroic.
 
2021-11-30 9:36:13 PM  
"We have had some overdoses today," Kailin See, senior director of programs at New York Harm Reduction Educators, told The Post.

Oh, no! I bet they all died and were found by next of kin or just lying in alleys or

"They survived," she said.

Oh. Well, I guess that's good.

"I think what they're doing is they're promoting this which is awful," said the business owner, who declined to be named citing concerns that his shop would be vandalized.

I doubt that there's someone just wandering by that sees the site and goes "You know what, trying heroin sounds fun I'm gonna go in there," this is for the people who would be shooting up regardless. This way, they're somewhere out of the way with someone watching them so medical care can be prompt (If needed). As an added bonus, you can plaster the place with "Want to quit? Call this number!" posters.
 
2021-11-30 10:28:10 PM  

Bootleg: "We have had some overdoses today," Kailin See, senior director of programs at New York Harm Reduction Educators, told The Post.

Oh, no! I bet they all died and were found by next of kin or just lying in alleys or

"They survived," she said.

Oh. Well, I guess that's good.

"I think what they're doing is they're promoting this which is awful," said the business owner, who declined to be named citing concerns that his shop would be vandalized.

I doubt that there's someone just wandering by that sees the site and goes "You know what, trying heroin sounds fun I'm gonna go in there," this is for the people who would be shooting up regardless. This way, they're somewhere out of the way with someone watching them so medical care can be prompt (If needed). As an added bonus, you can plaster the place with "Want to quit? Call this number!" posters.


And have people who can help you get into said programs on hand to assist
 
2021-11-30 11:36:18 PM  
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2021-11-30 11:42:23 PM  
Bunny Colvin seen nodding in approval.
 
2021-11-30 11:42:48 PM  
You have to address the supply side. In Portland we decriminalized small amount of drugs and shootings went up because there was a gang war over who is going to supply the users. And I suspect it attracted some of the homeless. Some in Oregon will argue vehemently against the idea it would attract the homeless but it did.
 
2021-11-30 11:43:05 PM  
I guess that that business owner doesn't mind paying the cost of sanitizing a bathroom if one of the addicts drop dead at his business
 
433 [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 11:44:02 PM  
Good.

If you or someone you love has a problem with opiates, be it heroin or hydrocodone, consider writing to the e-mail address in my profile.  I can help find services in your area, or just lend a sympathetic ear.  Take care out there.
 
2021-11-30 11:48:41 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I guess that that business owner doesn't mind paying the cost of sanitizing a bathroom if one of the addicts drop dead at his business


Or the damage to their vehicle or shopfront if they decided to do what they do around here and shoot up with the car in gear so they plow into something if they pass out so that someone calls EMS who respond with Naloxone. When the firefighter in our troop told me about that I thought it was both ingenious and one of the shiattiest things I had heard of.
 
2021-11-30 11:49:09 PM  

433: Good.

If you or someone you love has a problem with opiates, be it heroin or hydrocodone, consider writing to the e-mail address in my profile.  I can help find services in your area, or just lend a sympathetic ear.  Take care out there.


So, um, normally I'm just here to post angry things.

But you are awesome. Thanks.
 
2021-11-30 11:51:48 PM  

koder: /Also, as always, fark NYPost.


So say we all
 
2021-11-30 11:55:44 PM  
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Turns out treating people decently instead of like garbage ends up being a positive thing. Who knew?
 
2021-12-01 12:02:20 AM  
Bill de Blasio is a man who boldly seeks out every bad idea a mayor could imagine and puts them into practice.
 
2021-12-01 12:02:41 AM  
FINALLY
 
2021-12-01 12:03:07 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I guess that that business owner doesn't mind paying the cost of sanitizing a bathroom if one of the addicts drop dead at his business


Nevermind the down time and bad rep
 
2021-12-01 12:03:51 AM  
Animatronik:

How's the weather in Moscow today?
 
2021-12-01 12:05:57 AM  
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2021-12-01 12:06:27 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: You have to address the supply side. In Portland we decriminalized small amount of drugs and shootings went up because there was a gang war over who is going to supply the users. And I suspect it attracted some of the homeless. Some in Oregon will argue vehemently against the idea it would attract the homeless but it did.


I've always thought the solution should be free, low concentration drugs for addicts with the option of treatment.  Sort of an expanded version of the methadone model.

I also think we should ban advertising for any addictive substance.  Drugs are sort of a 'if you make it they will come' thing.  We don't need ads to hook more people in.  Get the profit out of it, regulate it, treat it... don't monetize it without fully regulating and legalizing the distribution.  Make no mistake, if it was illegal for a bodega to call the cops rival bodegas would have turf wars.  Same for carwashes, burger joints,... once you create a black market you create violence, but for fark's sake, you can ban advertising at least.
 
2021-12-01 12:07:51 AM  
 
2021-12-01 12:08:19 AM  
30 Other Objective News Sources: Locking people up for getting high hasn't done anything to stem the opioid crisis that's killed 100,000 Americans in just one year, so NYC is trying supervised drug injection sites
Murdoch-owned NewsCorp rag: They're doing drugs somewhere other than a street corner!
Fark: Well obviously we link to the rag
 
2021-12-01 12:10:23 AM  

Animatronik: Bill de Blasio is a man who boldly seeks out every bad idea a mayor could imagine and puts them into practice.


Except for this one.
 
2021-12-01 12:11:09 AM  
What if we treated addiction like a health problem and not a crime? Nah, that would just help people. How can we demonize helping people in this context?
 
2021-12-01 12:17:10 AM  
Please tell me they're not actually going to call them "shooting galleries."
 
2021-12-01 12:17:43 AM  
We have one in Vancouver. It's farking useless. Crime and overdoes only rose with that open for the past decade. Turns out junkies would rather take harder drugs than what is available at a "safe" injection site.
 
2021-12-01 12:19:28 AM  

carnifex2005: Turns out junkies would rather take harder drugs than what is available at a "safe" injection site.


What kinda injection sites do you have? The usual ones don't sell drugs. So get as hard of a drug you want and come in.
 
2021-12-01 12:19:55 AM  
Sad that the guy had to save a humanitarian gesture until he was an extremely lame duck.
 
2021-12-01 12:21:26 AM  
De Blasio defeated the Trump Virus and now he's doing ending the drug war.
 
2021-12-01 12:26:19 AM  

JerseyTim: he's doing ending


I can talk.
 
2021-12-01 12:32:13 AM  
regardless of anyone's position on this, i have to give deblasio credit for being someone who united all sides of the city in their hatred of him.
 
2021-12-01 12:35:53 AM  

Moose out front: Please tell me they're not actually going to call them "shooting galleries."


I doubt it. The New York Post looked up the most objectionable slang they could find, that's all. The term used to be applied to crash spaces in which addicts would inject in groups. It's like using "opium den," just for injectables.
 
2021-12-01 12:40:35 AM  
This makes my heart feel a little more christmas-y.

This means fewer people will be cold and alone dying on a dark street somewhere.


/closest brother, my dearest friend, died cold and alone on a street last month
 
2021-12-01 12:44:47 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: What if we treated addiction like a health problem and not a crime?


Then how would we punish people for their moral failings?

You're not thinking this through.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2021-12-01 12:49:52 AM  

philodough: This makes my heart feel a little more christmas-y.


I'm sorry to meet you here again in this thread, philodough, but it's very good to see you nonetheless.  EIP
 
2021-12-01 12:50:34 AM  
The outdated image of the junkie is, well, outdated.  The modern opioid addict is likely to be someone's grandmother or grandfather, and they're only in that situation because their own doctors screwed them a few years back.  Get that through people's heads and maybe the more enlightened clean-needle centers will lose their stigma.
 
2021-12-01 12:50:56 AM  

Weatherkiss: [i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Turns out treating people decently instead of like garbage ends up being a positive thing. Who knew?


I see how I'm not the only one that reads that.

If there's an addictive drug that makes money to deal, giving it away can really make the business model fall apart.
 
2021-12-01 12:53:18 AM  

wildcardjack: Weatherkiss: [i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Turns out treating people decently instead of like garbage ends up being a positive thing. Who knew?

I see how I'm not the only one that reads that.

If there's an addictive drug that makes money to deal, giving it away can really make the business model fall apart.


Who is giving it away?
 
2021-12-01 1:04:37 AM  

NephilimNexus: The outdated image of the junkie is, well, outdated.  The modern opioid addict is likely to be someone's grandmother or grandfather, and they're only in that situation because their own doctors screwed them a few years back.  Get that through people's heads and maybe the more enlightened clean-needle centers will lose their stigma.


So we need to provide them with a safe place to take oxy?
 
2021-12-01 1:08:48 AM  

Moose out front: Please tell me they're not actually going to call them "shooting galleries."


Keep It Warm
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If we got the Gipper stoned to get "Hipper" we wouldn't have to many problems that we have today
 
2021-12-01 1:11:30 AM  

Moose out front: Please tell me they're not actually going to call them "shooting galleries."


They have had that name forever.
 
2021-12-01 1:18:00 AM  

koder: De Blasio opening first legal shooting galleries for drug users in the US

I wonder if NY Post editors spent hours going back and forth at which sounded worse and legitimately worried "shooting gallery" might win too many points with their readers vs "drug clinic" or "injection center" sounding too humanizing.

/Also, as always, fark NYPost.


Probably no more effort was expended than went into naming them (ironically, as it turned out) Overdose Prevention Centers.
 
2021-12-01 1:21:04 AM  

Bootleg: "We have had some overdoses today," Kailin See, senior director of programs at New York Harm Reduction Educators, told The Post.

Oh, no! I bet they all died and were found by next of kin or just lying in alleys or

"They survived," she said.

Oh. Well, I guess that's good.

"I think what they're doing is they're promoting this which is awful," said the business owner, who declined to be named citing concerns that his shop would be vandalized.

I doubt that there's someone just wandering by that sees the site and goes "You know what, trying heroin sounds fun I'm gonna go in there," this is for the people who would be shooting up regardless. This way, they're somewhere out of the way with someone watching them so medical care can be prompt (If needed). As an added bonus, you can plaster the place with "Want to quit? Call this number!" posters.


And they will be less vulnerable to rape and other assaults and robberies.
 
2021-12-01 1:40:00 AM  

trappedspirit: So we need to provide them with a safe place to take oxy?


Well, since you mentioned it, yes - since they're were the root cause of it all to begin with.
 
2021-12-01 1:42:18 AM  
Not settled on how to feel about this yet.
 
2021-12-01 2:25:30 AM  

Red Shirt Blues: You have to address the supply side. In Portland we decriminalized small amount of drugs and shootings went up because there was a gang war over who is going to supply the users. And I suspect it attracted some of the homeless. Some in Oregon will argue vehemently against the idea it would attract the homeless but it did.


Tying shootings here in PDX to decriminalization is a wee bit of a stretch, particularly next to the similar nation-wide trend we're seeing as social and economic systems are disrupted by a global pandemic.

Likewise, a city famous for homeless issues experiencing a housing crunch and sharp increases in housing costs is going to encounter greater homeless problems, linking that to decriminalization is also wee bit of a stretch.
 
2021-12-01 2:32:39 AM  

433: Good.

If you or someone you love has a problem with opiates, be it heroin or hydrocodone, consider writing to the e-mail address in my profile.  I can help find services in your area, or just lend a sympathetic ear.  Take care out there.


Well done. More power to you Sir.


Although the cynic in me knows that 'Cleaning up the streets' is an obvious vote grabber and the problems that arise in the neighbourhoods around these places won't become apparent until the next term in office, making it either a problem for some other time or someone else's problem entirely.
 
2021-12-01 2:44:10 AM  

433: Good.

If you or someone you love has a problem with opiates, be it heroin or hydrocodone, consider writing to the e-mail address in my profile.  I can help find services in your area, or just lend a sympathetic ear.  Take care out there.


Damn you FARK.  You have me so cynical I assume this guy's a drug dealer looking for new clientele.
 
2021-12-01 2:49:27 AM  

Animatronik: Bill de Blasio is a man who boldly seeks out every bad idea a mayor could imagine and puts them into practice.


shut it traitor
 
2021-12-01 3:36:49 AM  

carnifex2005: We have one in Vancouver. It's farking useless. Crime and overdoes only rose with that open for the past decade. Turns out junkies would rather take harder drugs than what is available at a "safe" injection site.


This guy is full of shiat.
 
2021-12-01 3:48:21 AM  

leeksfromchichis: Animatronik:

How's the weather in Moscow today?


I wouldn't know, because I live near D.C.
If you actually read all of my posts, you'd know that I hate Putin, who is a malignant ex-KGB thug who orchestrated the murder of many innocent Russians at home to get to power (and few overseas out of spite, like Litvinenko).  I've never had a kind word for either the Russian or Chinese dictators, who truly are grouping around an axis of evil. Pity we will face off against them with a guy like Biden.

So guess again. I'm a conservative independent with ancestors and relatives going back over two centuries here, including some who were slaves.
 
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