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2021-11-30 7:14:31 PM  
I'm sure ammosexuals are hair triggered and going to be shooting off their mouths hoping for it to be overturned, after which they will blow their load.
 
2021-11-30 9:12:03 PM  
California can't regulate magazine size, else I'll be stuck reading this same farking leaflet on every flight out of LA.

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2021-11-30 10:36:23 PM  
Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all
 
2021-11-30 10:42:20 PM  
That's a "speedy magazine", subby.

At least, according to the majority of gun nuts I've met.
 
2021-11-30 10:42:29 PM  
The right to bear as many bandoliers as one can carry

For, you know,
DEFENSE
 
2021-11-30 10:47:14 PM  
Subby

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2021-11-30 10:47:30 PM  

baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all


It also leads to higher body counts in the next inevitable mass shooting. Which I guess the psychopaths who engage in such actions might count as "fun time" I guess.

/gun owner
// everyday cpl carrier
/// This nation has a firearms issue.
 
2021-11-30 10:47:37 PM  
But how many magazines is that in clips?
 
2021-11-30 10:48:37 PM  

baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all


I disagree.. there have been so many fbi and police shootouts in low light urban situations where multiple magazines were unloaded and no one was shot. It is actually hillarious how bad some people are ..

It should be 2 to 4 rounds though... so 7 rounds standard on a .45 seems fair
 
2021-11-30 10:53:12 PM  
Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.
 
2021-11-30 10:54:43 PM  
I'm sure this will turn out just like our ban on high capacity magazines.   You can still buy them, but they got this real hard to drill out rivet in them.

You guys got a culture problem, and a gun problem.
 
2021-11-30 11:03:36 PM  

Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.


You may now exhale and laugh. Well done. Well composed.
 
2021-11-30 11:05:07 PM  
I built an ar last year and I have a few 30 round mags just for pretend badass nonsense but I actually prefer 10 round ones because I lose count with the big ones
 
2021-11-30 11:16:04 PM  
Good.  Things are getting back to the America I know.   Not this hellscape the Banana Republicans are trying to change it into.
 
2021-11-30 11:16:26 PM  
It takes all of a couple of seconds to load another magazine. This is just silly. How many mass-shootings were committed with a legally purchased and owned firearm that had a "high capacity".
 
2021-11-30 11:17:41 PM  
If you can't kill everyone in your class with 10 rounds, you probably go to a school with a really high student/teacher ratio.

No wonder you're miserable and failing.
 
2021-11-30 11:20:46 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: It takes all of a couple of seconds to load another magazine. This is just silly. How many mass-shootings were committed with a legally purchased and owned firearm that had a "high capacity".


*cough*

https://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2019​/​sep/03/high-capacity-magazines-get-new​-scrutiny-as-congre/

*cough*
 
2021-11-30 11:21:05 PM  
California should bring some beer to the Supreme Court.

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2021-11-30 11:22:37 PM  
Reminds me of bump stocks.  Remember bump stocks? Essentially turns a semi-automatic into an automatic.  A farking machine gun.  Bump stocks got banned after the Las Vegas sicko killed 60 people with his bump stocked 2nd amendment toys.  But guess what, there are loopholes.  And you can still get bump stocks.

So have fun, dear people who want to ban people who love guns from firing volumeous rounds of bullets from a single magazine.

I'm pretty sure they are going to find a loophole, and then open up with a high capacity magazine gun on that loophole which will enlarge it big enough to... well....

The 2nd Amendment was the biggest mistake of the Constitution.  Fark off gun nuts.  Point your toys at your dick and pull the trigger.
 
2021-11-30 11:30:17 PM  

imbrial: I built an ar last year and I have a few 30 round mags just for pretend badass nonsense but I actually prefer 10 round ones because I lose count with the big ones


My FIL got me a 100 round drum mag for a .556 rifle I have. It basically doubles the weight of the gun, to the point where its basically unusable but it does make my penis look thicker. Plus, when I turn on my green dot, and flip down my NVGs while I'm stalking around my kitchen at night, I feel like I'm playing call of duty.
 
2021-11-30 11:31:42 PM  

Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.


Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.
 
2021-11-30 11:33:16 PM  

indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.


You know, for a supposedly neutral nation, the Swiss sure pack a lot of heat...
 
2021-11-30 11:35:15 PM  

indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.


They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?
 
2021-11-30 11:35:57 PM  
If you don't know what a clip is, you can't speak out against guns!

It's just like how if you don't know the difference between a sports car and a muscle car, then you can't talk about seatbelts, speed limits, or the right of way!
 
2021-11-30 11:37:05 PM  

RedComrade: baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all

It also leads to higher body counts in the next inevitable mass shooting. Which I guess the psychopaths who engage in such actions might count as "fun time" I guess.

/gun owner
// everyday cpl carrier
/// This nation has a firearms issue.


YES!

I'm so sick of people thinking that "Gun rights" and "science based gun control" are incompatible. they're not. in fact for the long term sustainability of gun rights they're essential to go hand in hand.

ammosexuals are just going to convince some future generation that the 2a was a horrible idea.
 
2021-11-30 11:37:30 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

You know, for a supposedly neutral nation, the Swiss sure pack a lot of heat...


That's why they've been able to remain neutral.
 
2021-11-30 11:38:05 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: It takes all of a couple of seconds to load another magazine. This is just silly. How many mass-shootings were committed with a legally purchased and owned firearm that had a "high capacity".


Ok, I'll start:

Stephen Paddock in the Las Vegas massacre: legally purchased weapons, high cap mags and bump stocks
 
2021-11-30 11:40:31 PM  
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As long as there's no limit to how many guns you can carry on your person...
 
2021-11-30 11:42:05 PM  

hammettman: Reminds me of bump stocks.  Remember bump stocks? Essentially turns a semi-automatic into an automatic.  A farking machine gun.  Bump stocks got banned after the Las Vegas sicko killed 60 people with his bump stocked 2nd amendment toys.  But guess what, there are loopholes.  And you can still get bump stocks.


You can buy full-auto parts, along with the Class II drill fixtures to get the pin for the auto-sear in the correct spot, all for less than $350.

You'll have to use a Dremel to clear out some of the metal in the receiver for the parts to fit, but that's not a big deal.

Yes, it's a federal offense to have full-auto parts and an AR receiver in the same location, even if they aren't assembled or the receiver milled out for the parts yet. "Constructive possession" will get you 10 years in a federal prison.
 
2021-11-30 11:44:42 PM  

Kazan: RedComrade: baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all

It also leads to higher body counts in the next inevitable mass shooting. Which I guess the psychopaths who engage in such actions might count as "fun time" I guess.

/gun owner
// everyday cpl carrier
/// This nation has a firearms issue.

YES!

I'm so sick of people thinking that "Gun rights" and "science based gun control" are incompatible. they're not. in fact for the long term sustainability of gun rights they're essential to go hand in hand.

ammosexuals are just going to convince some future generation that the 2a was a horrible idea.


TBH we should have strict limits on calibers and capacity. Semiautomatic of a certain caliber over a certain amount of joules should be a hard line.

The AR15 is the most lethal man portable weapon system ever invented. Eugene Stoner truly was a genius. We have a design that is fundamentally not changing for 60 years and I'm almost certain it's going to hit a centennial.

The fact everyone can just fire off 5.56 or .223 is insane to me. I can't think of a worse thing to be hit by while also being small enough to jam 30 in a standard magazine. And low recoil so follow up shots are easy and controllable. Maximum lethality.
 
2021-11-30 11:49:48 PM  

indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.


The lesson ammosexuals take from Switzerland is that even in a country with essentially zero gun crime the calls for restricting gun ownership will continue.
 
2021-11-30 11:50:46 PM  

inglixthemad: Subby

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right?

although if it wasn't deliberate, then... no Subs thassa bad Subs!
 
2021-11-30 11:53:26 PM  

Frederf: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?


The US is stupid, and ammosexuals think they will overthrow a "tyrannical" government with their tacticool shiat.

Perhaps we should put a $5 tax on every cartridge, regardless of caliber, and ban the importation of ammo, gun parts, and demilled gun kits (since ammosexuals merely reweld the torched receivers and buy new barrels).

Regardless of your stand on the 2A, you must admit the US has a gun problem, one that no other country has. Militias will NEVER stop a tyrannical government, but they might get one into power.
 
2021-11-30 11:56:35 PM  
The majority reasoned that "the limitation interferes only minimally with the core right of self-defense, as there is no evidence that anyone ever has been unable to defend his or her home and family due to the lack of a large-capacity magazine; and ... the limitation saves lives."

So I take it that this magazine restriction will also apply to police, right?
 
2021-11-30 11:59:45 PM  

Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.


Almost had me, thanks for the chuckle
 
2021-12-01 12:02:56 AM  

Esc7: Kazan: RedComrade: baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all

It also leads to higher body counts in the next inevitable mass shooting. Which I guess the psychopaths who engage in such actions might count as "fun time" I guess.

/gun owner
// everyday cpl carrier
/// This nation has a firearms issue.

YES!

I'm so sick of people thinking that "Gun rights" and "science based gun control" are incompatible. they're not. in fact for the long term sustainability of gun rights they're essential to go hand in hand.

ammosexuals are just going to convince some future generation that the 2a was a horrible idea.

TBH we should have strict limits on calibers and capacity. Semiautomatic of a certain caliber over a certain amount of joules should be a hard line.

The AR15 is the most lethal man portable weapon system ever invented. Eugene Stoner truly was a genius. We have a design that is fundamentally not changing for 60 years and I'm almost certain it's going to hit a centennial.

The fact everyone can just fire off 5.56 or .223 is insane to me. I can't think of a worse thing to be hit by while also being small enough to jam 30 in a standard magazine. And low recoil so follow up shots are easy and controllable. Maximum lethality.


Yeah, there are some really impressive weapons available to people who... honestly i don't think are responsible enough for them.
 
2021-12-01 12:03:47 AM  
You 'Mericans and your guns. You debate that killin' 20 should be just enough killin'. Because more than 20, well that is just a little too much killin'.
You guys are idiots. Never got past the wild west.
 
2021-12-01 12:04:32 AM  

indy_kid: hammettman: Reminds me of bump stocks.  Remember bump stocks? Essentially turns a semi-automatic into an automatic.  A farking machine gun.  Bump stocks got banned after the Las Vegas sicko killed 60 people with his bump stocked 2nd amendment toys.  But guess what, there are loopholes.  And you can still get bump stocks.

You can buy full-auto parts, along with the Class II drill fixtures to get the pin for the auto-sear in the correct spot, all for less than $350.

You'll have to use a Dremel to clear out some of the metal in the receiver for the parts to fit, but that's not a big deal.

Yes, it's a federal offense to have full-auto parts and an AR receiver in the same location, even if they aren't assembled or the receiver milled out for the parts yet. "Constructive possession" will get you 10 years in a federal prison.


Way back in another life, when I worked for Martin Marietta where they made the external tank for the Shuttle, I watched a machine shop supervisor getting walked out in cuffs by a gaggle of FBI agents. He had whipped up a set of prints for AR-15 conversion kits that looked like Martin's prints and he was having the guys in his shop machine them out, was selling them under the table at gun shows.  He had fake work orders and everything, the machinists had no idea what they had been making.

It was like the Challenge Accepted of pissing off the Feds....manufacturing illegal firearm components in a Federal facility using gov't tooling, contractors and materials.
 
2021-12-01 12:09:19 AM  

Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.


In Norway they suffer under the extreme tyranny and injustice of...

*checks notes*

...having enough to eat and healthcare when they get sick.
 
2021-12-01 12:14:59 AM  

scanman61: indy_kid: hammettman: Reminds me of bump stocks.  Remember bump stocks? Essentially turns a semi-automatic into an automatic.  A farking machine gun.  Bump stocks got banned after the Las Vegas sicko killed 60 people with his bump stocked 2nd amendment toys.  But guess what, there are loopholes.  And you can still get bump stocks.

You can buy full-auto parts, along with the Class II drill fixtures to get the pin for the auto-sear in the correct spot, all for less than $350.

You'll have to use a Dremel to clear out some of the metal in the receiver for the parts to fit, but that's not a big deal.

Yes, it's a federal offense to have full-auto parts and an AR receiver in the same location, even if they aren't assembled or the receiver milled out for the parts yet. "Constructive possession" will get you 10 years in a federal prison.

Way back in another life, when I worked for Martin Marietta where they made the external tank for the Shuttle, I watched a machine shop supervisor getting walked out in cuffs by a gaggle of FBI agents. He had whipped up a set of prints for AR-15 conversion kits that looked like Martin's prints and he was having the guys in his shop machine them out, was selling them under the table at gun shows.  He had fake work orders and everything, the machinists had no idea what they had been making.

It was like the Challenge Accepted of pissing off the Feds....manufacturing illegal firearm components in a Federal facility using gov't tooling, contractors and materials.


I wonder how much he made. At the government job and selling them.

Was it just being a gun weirdo or was it trying to make easy money.
 
2021-12-01 12:16:16 AM  

baka-san: Average #of rounds fired in a sel defense scenario
2-4

Bigger mags mean more fun time between reloads, but that's all


Clearly you haven't encountered the spray and pray technique of conservatives. It takes them such a long time to get into those cosplay cammos that they don't have time to aim. In a way that's good, because the neighborhood cat has lived through several exchanges because it is easily mistaken for the generic, fantasy person of color who is certainly trying to get into their trailer to steal their "valuables."

I have never met a single ammosexual who wasn't an absolute coward and shiatty shot under pressure.
 
2021-12-01 12:17:06 AM  
Limit magazine capacity to that of the average firearm in 1788.  1.  Well 0 really, since pushing a ball down the business end with a rod ain't exactly a magazine.
 
2021-12-01 12:20:42 AM  

indy_kid: Frederf: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?

The US is stupid, and ammosexuals think they will overthrow a "tyrannical" government with their tacticool shiat.

Perhaps we should put a $5 tax on every cartridge, regardless of caliber, and ban the importation of ammo, gun parts, and demilled gun kits (since ammosexuals merely reweld the torched receivers and buy new barrels).

Regardless of your stand on the 2A, you must admit the US has a gun problem, one that no other country has. Militias will NEVER stop a tyrannical government, but they might get one into power.


Militias are a canard.

The 2A will continue to exist even if you logically prove it's purpose is nonsensical. That's how our constitution works.

The hope of getting a constitutional convention to change it with our anti democratic system will be impossible.

Because the right wing loves guns because guns allow them to kill the people they don't like.
 
2021-12-01 12:38:56 AM  

synithium: Limit magazine capacity to that of the average firearm in 1788.  1.  Well 0 really, since pushing a ball down the business end with a rod ain't exactly a magazine.


Back then, guns didn't usually have magazines, forts did.

Welcome to 10,000 round handgun.
 
2021-12-01 12:53:19 AM  

leeksfromchichis: synithium: Limit magazine capacity to that of the average firearm in 1788.  1.  Well 0 really, since pushing a ball down the business end with a rod ain't exactly a magazine.

Back then, guns didn't usually have magazines, forts did.

Welcome to 10,000 round handgun.


Damn.  Those boys really liked to read while taking a shiat.
 
2021-12-01 12:55:31 AM  

Esc7: indy_kid: Frederf: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?

The US is stupid, and ammosexuals think they will overthrow a "tyrannical" government with their tacticool shiat.

Perhaps we should put a $5 tax on every cartridge, regardless of caliber, and ban the importation of ammo, gun parts, and demilled gun kits (since ammosexuals merely reweld the torched receivers and buy new barrels).

Regardless of your stand on the 2A, you must admit the US has a gun problem, one that no other country has. Militias will NEVER stop a tyrannical government, but they might get one into power.

Militias are a canard.

The 2A will continue to exist even if you logically prove it's purpose is nonsensical. That's how our constitution works.

The hope of getting a constitutional convention to change it with our anti democratic system will be impossible.

Because the right wing loves guns because guns allow them to kill the people they don't like.


Militias may be a canard, but interpreting 2A the way it's written and restricting gun ownership outside of well regulated militias is probably the easiest way to make a massive step in the right direction without having to worry about the impossibility of a constitutional convention

Just gotta hope Roberts, Thomas, and Alito all croak before the midterm to get there
 
2021-12-01 12:58:23 AM  

synithium: leeksfromchichis: synithium: Limit magazine capacity to that of the average firearm in 1788.  1.  Well 0 really, since pushing a ball down the business end with a rod ain't exactly a magazine.

Back then, guns didn't usually have magazines, forts did.

Welcome to 10,000 round handgun.

Damn.  Those boys really liked to read while taking a shiat.


Almanacs have nice, soft pages too. Easy to tear out
 
2021-12-01 1:01:13 AM  

bhcompy: Esc7: indy_kid: Frederf: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?

The US is stupid, and ammosexuals think they will overthrow a "tyrannical" government with their tacticool shiat.

Perhaps we should put a $5 tax on every cartridge, regardless of caliber, and ban the importation of ammo, gun parts, and demilled gun kits (since ammosexuals merely reweld the torched receivers and buy new barrels).

Regardless of your stand on the 2A, you must admit the US has a gun problem, one that no other country has. Militias will NEVER stop a tyrannical government, but they might get one into power.

Militias are a canard.

The 2A will continue to exist even if you logically prove it's purpose is nonsensical. That's how our constitution works.

The hope of getting a constitutional convention to change it with our anti democratic system will be impossible.

Because the right wing loves guns because guns allow them to kill the people they don't like.

Militias may be a canard, but interpreting 2A the way it's written and restricting gun ownership outside of well regulated militias is probably the easiest way to make a massive step in the right direction without having to worry about the impossibility of a constitutional convention

Just gotta hope Roberts, Thomas, and Alito all croak before the midterm to get there


The amendment doesn't restrict the ownership of "arms" at all. The restriction is on congress and the justification is because societies need a militia. If you're gonna oppose it, at least  read it. It's not War and Peace.
 
2021-12-01 1:08:36 AM  
I'm sure Texas will make it mandatory for everyone to possess belt-fed M-60s at all times just to keep things in balance. Toddlers and under will only be required to carry M-14s.
 
2021-12-01 1:11:50 AM  

leeksfromchichis: bhcompy: Esc7: indy_kid: Frederf: indy_kid: Persnickety: Gun rights are the most vital rights in a modern functioning democracy.  In nations where they aren't protected, you are sure to find extreme tyranny and injustice.  That's how we can be sure that gun rights are much more than a wedge issue designed to distract the voters from the real issues facing the nation and that the people who continue to stand up to defend those rights are true and honest patriots.

Yeah, Sweden, that hotbed of tyranny...

Maybe the ammosexuals should focus on how the Swiss manage effective gun control, even as soldiers take their weapons home with them.

They aren't stupid, ammo is heavily regulated, and the law doesn't play boys will be boys shenanigans. Any other questions?

The US is stupid, and ammosexuals think they will overthrow a "tyrannical" government with their tacticool shiat.

Perhaps we should put a $5 tax on every cartridge, regardless of caliber, and ban the importation of ammo, gun parts, and demilled gun kits (since ammosexuals merely reweld the torched receivers and buy new barrels).

Regardless of your stand on the 2A, you must admit the US has a gun problem, one that no other country has. Militias will NEVER stop a tyrannical government, but they might get one into power.

Militias are a canard.

The 2A will continue to exist even if you logically prove it's purpose is nonsensical. That's how our constitution works.

The hope of getting a constitutional convention to change it with our anti democratic system will be impossible.

Because the right wing loves guns because guns allow them to kill the people they don't like.

Militias may be a canard, but interpreting 2A the way it's written and restricting gun ownership outside of well regulated militias is probably the easiest way to make a massive step in the right direction without having to worry about the impossibility of a constitutional convention

Just gotta hope Roberts, Thomas, and Alito all croak before the midterm to get there

The amendment doesn't restrict the ownership of "arms" at all. The restriction is on congress and the justification is because societies need a militia. If you're gonna oppose it, at least  read it. It's not War and Peace.


You could interpret the 2nd amendment to not be about personal defense, as It is the current case law.

It could be interpreted as giving the states the right to keep their militias, and the conjoined rights of state citizens to keep those arms at the behest of the state without interference from the federal government.


Which would be more in line with a document that lays out death as a possible penalty for raising arms against it.
 
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