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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Steelers legend Rocky Bleier: "The Steelers suck...How do you give up 82 points in the last two games? Big Ben said after the game that 'It is what it is...We need to play better.' My reaction? No shiat. So why don't you play better?"   (post-gazette.com) divider line
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2021-11-30 2:29:40 PM  
Suit up, then.
 
2021-11-30 2:33:20 PM  
Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.
 
2021-11-30 4:52:00 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.


seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.
 
2021-11-30 5:30:14 PM  
I have it on good authority that they struggle in games because practice isn't fun.
 
2021-11-30 5:31:19 PM  

rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.


They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.
 
2021-11-30 5:31:58 PM  
lol the Steelers keep giving him contract extensions because they are stupid and stubborn and refuse to admit they should have been drafting and developing his replacement years ago
 
2021-11-30 5:35:51 PM  
If they're giving up 41 points a game that's not exactly Ben's problem. Where's the DC?
 
2021-11-30 5:35:59 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Suit up, then.


The guy was told he might never walk again, then he went on to be an integral part of a team that won four Super Bowls in a decade. You don't think he'd suit up if he wasn't in his 70s? Hell, I'd take him over some of the players today right now, he's earned some respect, a lot more than the contempt you just threw at him.

And he's not wrong. Big Ben aside, the Steelers have a lot of talented players on both sides of the ball. Even if they lose they shouldn't be beaten like they have been in the last two weeks. And while Ben isn't nearly what he was he's still better than some of the people who attempt to pass for starting QBs in the NFL.
 
2021-11-30 5:36:02 PM  

ElwoodCuse: lol the Steelers keep giving him contract extensions because they are stupid and stubborn and refuse to admit they should have been drafting and developing his replacement years ago


And their fans blame Tomlin for everything.
 
2021-11-30 5:38:36 PM  

ElwoodCuse: lol the Steelers keep giving him contract extensions because they are stupid and stubborn and refuse to admit they should have been drafting and developing his replacement years ago


The problems go WAY beyond that. They have been coasting for the last 4-5 seasons. I'm really shocked this didn't happen earlier.

That said, Rocky is 100% correct. I doubt this will change anything, but hopefully it will.

The whole 'the standard is the standard' line is going to haunt Tomlin shortly.
 
2021-11-30 5:39:56 PM  
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2021-11-30 5:40:24 PM  

ArkPanda: If they're giving up 41 points a game that's not exactly Ben's problem. Where's the DC?


This clown !?

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/11/aditi-kinkhabwala-keith-butler-has-never-designed-or-called-a-defense-in-pittsburgh/
 
2021-11-30 6:34:05 PM  
Ben won't play better because he can't.
 
2021-11-30 6:35:49 PM  

null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.


Of course blame the coach that showed he could still win without Worthlessberger a couple of seasons ago.  At the end of 2019, he was basically alternating second and third string QBs, with a primarily second string offense, and they STILL managed to be in the playoff hunt until the end.

/I know you're probably being sarcastic, but I'm pointing out it's not the head coach
//start with getting a new QB like the rest of the AFC North has, and rebuild the Steel Curtain, and 17-0 is within reach
 
2021-11-30 6:56:56 PM  

ElwoodCuse: lol the Steelers keep giving him contract extensions because they are stupid and stubborn and refuse to admit they should have been drafting and developing his replacement years ago


Take this past draft.  They could've picked up Kyle Trask to be the heir apparent.  Instead, they went with a tight end.  Not taking anything away from Pat Friermuth, but the more immediate issue was a QB, since Mason Rudolph just won't cut it.  Instead, Trask is now Princess Brady's heir apparent.

I've also come to the conclusion that the O-line has been designed in such a way as to force Big Ben's retirement.
 
2021-11-30 7:05:06 PM  

bluorangefyre: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

Of course blame the coach that showed he could still win without Worthlessberger a couple of seasons ago.  At the end of 2019, he was basically alternating second and third string QBs, with a primarily second string offense, and they STILL managed to be in the playoff hunt until the end.

/I know you're probably being sarcastic, but I'm pointing out it's not the head coach
//start with getting a new QB like the rest of the AFC North has, and rebuild the Steel Curtain, and 17-0 is within reach


Got two other Yinzers every football thread who claim Omar is the blame for everything.
 
2021-11-30 7:08:30 PM  

null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.


I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen
 
2021-11-30 7:18:20 PM  

poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen


What about the unmentionable QB?  You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.
 
2021-11-30 7:37:27 PM  

poconojoe: I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen


We also would have accepted "Kordell Stewart" or "Neil O'Donnell"


bluorangefyre: What about the unmentionable QB? You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.


Oooohh....who's that?  I'm thinking Kaep but have no idea (unless it is somehow the guys I posted.)
 
2021-11-30 7:38:15 PM  

bluorangefyre: and rebuild the Steel Curtain


Oh is that all? Lol.
 
2021-11-30 8:08:45 PM  

poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen


The Steelers rarely hit the trade market, but given the need for a quality quarterback in the NFL they ought to at least consider giving up one or two future first round picks for Jimmy Garoppalo. Yes, he has an injury history. But he's also proven to be a winner when he plays. I'm not the GM, but if I were I'd be considering a known quantity with a reasonable price tag over a crapshoot in the draft.
 
2021-11-30 8:11:55 PM  

rickythepenguin: poconojoe: I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

We also would have accepted "Kordell Stewart" or "Neil O'Donnell"


bluorangefyre: What about the unmentionable QB? You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.

Oooohh....who's that?  I'm thinking Kaep but have no idea (unless it is somehow the guys I posted.)


Yes, it's one of those farking guys. And it's not Kordell.
 
2021-11-30 8:25:22 PM  

poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen


Derek Carr may be available depending on the new regime and that the '22 QB class isn't highly thought of.  Russell Wilson didn't name the 'Burgh in his list but if he wants out of Seattle it might be attractive.
 
2021-11-30 8:40:49 PM  
Because karma's a biatch.
 
2021-11-30 9:14:27 PM  
I think in retrospect this was always going to be a rebuild year, even with Ben coming back. The team outside of Ben and a couple of others is sooo damned young (especially on offense) this level of inconsistency was probably bound to happen. That coupled with injuries and, uh, some questionable decisions has basically sunk the season. So....draft well with the high draft pick(s) and see what Tomlin can do with a true rebuild
 
2021-11-30 9:15:53 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

The Steelers rarely hit the trade market, but given the need for a quality quarterback in the NFL they ought to at least consider giving up one or two future first round picks for Jimmy Garoppalo.


I don't disagree, but I doubt anyone in the NFL thinks Jimmy is worth even 1 first round pick at this point. So, even better if that's the case
 
2021-11-30 9:18:41 PM  

null: bluorangefyre: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

Of course blame the coach that showed he could still win without Worthlessberger a couple of seasons ago.  At the end of 2019, he was basically alternating second and third string QBs, with a primarily second string offense, and they STILL managed to be in the playoff hunt until the end.

/I know you're probably being sarcastic, but I'm pointing out it's not the head coach
//start with getting a new QB like the rest of the AFC North has, and rebuild the Steel Curtain, and 17-0 is within reach

Got two other Yinzers every football thread who claim Omar is the blame for everything.


Yinzers wanted Cowher fired after every season except one or two. And they wanted Bruce Arians fired every season he was here. But, tbf, I don't think it's an exclusively Pittsburgh habit to always blame coaches
 
2021-11-30 9:23:27 PM  

TDWCom29: null: bluorangefyre: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

Of course blame the coach that showed he could still win without Worthlessberger a couple of seasons ago.  At the end of 2019, he was basically alternating second and third string QBs, with a primarily second string offense, and they STILL managed to be in the playoff hunt until the end.

/I know you're probably being sarcastic, but I'm pointing out it's not the head coach
//start with getting a new QB like the rest of the AFC North has, and rebuild the Steel Curtain, and 17-0 is within reach

Got two other Yinzers every football thread who claim Omar is the blame for everything.

Yinzers wanted Cowher fired after every season except one or two. And they wanted Bruce Arians fired every season he was here. But, tbf, I don't think it's an exclusively Pittsburgh habit to always blame coaches


Of course, we all wanted Todd Haley fired.  And when he was, there was much rejoicing.  When Cleveland signed him, there was much laughter.  When Cleveland fired him, there was even more laughter.  Not at Cleveland, but at the fact that Todd Haley was too pathetic of an OC for even Cleveland.
 
2021-11-30 9:37:28 PM  

bluorangefyre: poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

What about the unmentionable QB?  You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.


Cliff Stoudt?
 
2021-11-30 9:54:53 PM  

bluorangefyre: poconojoe:

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

What about the unmentionable QB?  You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.


wow - until this moment I totally forgot about Neil O'Donnell.  guess all that therapy and alcohol worked up until now

/was going to make a Neil O'Donnell joke here, but somewhere in my brain it got intercepted by Larry Brown
//hell - I'd even take Mark Malone over Mason Rudolph.  and for you younger Yinzers - Mark Freaking Malone was the worst quarterback not only in the history of the Steelers, but possibly in the history of the NFL
 
2021-11-30 11:40:03 PM  
I hear everyone say how much Tomlin has squandered talent, mostly in reference to the "Killer B's" or "Young Money" years, but who from those "super talented" teams had gone on to showcase their talent elsewhere?

Leveon Bell?  cut from 3 teams and never had any success except under Tomlin
Martaveous Bryant?  Out of the NFL, cut from CFL teams.  Never did anything except under Tomlin
Antonio Brown?  Major head case, cut from multiple teams.  Now is a #4 wide-out for TB. Best years were as a Steeler.
Mike Wallace? Caught on with a few teams, but never had the numbers he put up under Tomlin.
Rashard Mendenhall? Had an OK year in AZ, but never amounted to much.
Santonio Holmes? Flamed out after leaving the Steelers.

The only ones I can think of is James Connor this year in AZ and Maybe Emmanuel Sanders, who never starred, but has had a long career as a slot receiver for several other teams.

If anything, this shows the Tomlin has been getting more out of players and that the actual talent level of Pittsburgh has been a lot lower than the fans want to admit.
 
2021-12-01 12:17:48 AM  

non-racer X: Cliff Stoudt?


Nah, that guy was hysterical.
 
2021-12-01 3:05:50 AM  

rickythepenguin: poconojoe: I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

We also would have accepted "Kordell Stewart" or "Neil O'Donnell"


bluorangefyre: What about the unmentionable QB? You know the one, where speaking his name causes Steelers fans to become borderline homicidal.

Oooohh....who's that?  I'm thinking Kaep but have no idea (unless it is somehow the guys I posted.)


Mark Malone, Mike Tomczak, and Tommy Maddox also acceptable.
 
2021-12-01 3:13:28 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: poconojoe: null: rickythepenguin: NewportBarGuy: Because that is Ben at his 100% best.

He needs to go to the glue factory.

seems like the last 5 years it's been, "is this Ben's last year?"  i don't know his contract status but, that's what it seems like.  every off-season is BenWatch.

They have no plan for Ben retiring.

I blame Tomlin.

I think it's pretty clear this is Ben's final season. hell - every Steelers game I watch I wonder if this is going to be his final game the way the OL is playing this year. sure it's hard on the team when they lost guys like Pouncey and DeCastro to age and injury, but Tomlin made a huge mistake letting Mike Munchak slip away. Munchak's coaching made a huge difference in the offense, and probably extended Ben's career by a few years. but this is Ben's final season - he took less money for one final chance at a ring and it's not going to happen. he's got nothing left to prove

the best hope now is to pray for a solid QB falling to us in the draft. Rudolph is simply terrible and Haskins showed some flashes in the preseason but just doesn't seem to understand the game. not sure what kind of free agent QB's there will be available next season. doesn't sound like Wilson is interested if Seattle moves on from him - plus he's 33 and may not want to be part of a rebuild situation. Winston will be a free agent but coming off an injury. Ryan Fitzpatrick always seems to be available but only has two decent games a season in him. Heinicke if WFT moves on? Flacco? really slim pickings out there

I just have a bad feeling the Steelers head to Latrobe next summer with Rudolph and Cam Newton battling for the number one slot. and personally I'd rather see Bubby Brister come out of retirement than for that to happen

The Steelers rarely hit the trade market, but given the need for a quality quarterback in the NFL they ought to at least consider giving up one or two future first round picks for Jimmy Garoppalo. Yes, he has an injury history. But he's also proven to be a winner when he plays. I'm not the GM, but if I were I'd be considering a known quantity with a reasonable price tag over a crapshoot in the draft.


Wut? Jimmy G wasn't traded to the Niners for a first round pick.
 
2021-12-01 6:40:49 AM  
Steelers will turn this season around and will make the playoffs. They'll be seeded against the Bengals and will win on some 21 point comeback in the last minute of the fourth quarter like they always do.
 
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