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2021-11-30 3:07:52 PM  
The problem being that real hacking is mind-numbingly boring, even more boring than it looked in Sneakers which tossed in a lot of social engineering.
 
2021-11-30 3:08:46 PM  
Thank U, next.
 
2021-11-30 3:09:19 PM  
Actual line from the proposed film: "I wrote a GUI in Visual Basic to track his IP, but he's using a subnet mask! There's no way to find him!"
 
2021-11-30 3:11:28 PM  

inglixthemad: The problem being that real hacking is mind-numbingly boring, even more boring than it looked in Sneakers which tossed in a lot of social engineering.


Depends how you do it.  I think Hackers did pretty well.  Yeah, there were some liberties taken in order to provide a visualization that worked onscreen, but it's a trade-off that I think was worth doing.
 
2021-11-30 3:14:42 PM  
Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.
 
2021-11-30 3:21:16 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.


Like JMS said: NO ROBOTS! NO KIDS!

Now what quadrant are the heartless Straczyns hiding in again? You know they space teddy bears.
 
2021-11-30 3:21:58 PM  
Did someone already do this with Robin Hood, or am I making that up in my head?
 
2021-11-30 3:22:27 PM  
Two bits, four bits, six bits a byte.
All those for Z0rr0, stand up and fight.
 
2021-11-30 3:23:45 PM  

skyotter: Did someone already do this with Robin Hood, or am I making that up in my head?


Boy meets girl, falls in love. Boy goes out of his way to win said girl's affections. Boy eventually dies trying to protect/win said girl's attentions. Are we talking about Romeo and Juliet or King Kong?
 
2021-11-30 3:26:15 PM  

inglixthemad: skyotter: Did someone already do this with Robin Hood, or am I making that up in my head?

Boy meets girl, falls in love. Boy goes out of his way to win said girl's affections. Boy eventually dies trying to protect/win said girl's attentions. Are we talking about Romeo and Juliet or King Kong?


The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
 
2021-11-30 3:42:04 PM  
Zorro 2.0 Will Reboot The Classic Character As A Hacker

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2021-11-30 3:42:20 PM  
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2021-11-30 3:43:09 PM  
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2021-11-30 3:54:36 PM  
this is not silly, this is SAD.


They can't actually imagine a new character's name.
that's all they have to do, to pretend they did anything new at all.

tell the basic zoro story:
An insider turned vigilante against the system, playing a double life of on the inside of the power circle, while actively trying to work against it under a fake persona.


Yeah that's all the story is in basic premises.
And somehow they can't just imagine that story with ti's own name that they just make up all on their own.

the one original creative thing they had to do was make up a name and they couldn't do it.
that's fooking sad.
 
2021-11-30 3:56:57 PM  
And now the 7th Sea campaign I'm pondering for the new year has taken a decidedly Castillian/Los Vagos turn...
 
2021-11-30 4:00:59 PM  

jackmalice: Two bits, four bits, six bits a byte.
All those for Z0rr0, stand up and fight.


A Zorro, the Gay Blade reference? Impressive.

But the hacker idea, or basically any of the other ones from the article? I can't really see how any of them has much to do with Zorro.

Zorro is a swashbuckler; more than that, he's one of the definitive swashbucklers, since he was created in 1919 and immediately inspired Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. to adapt the story into the original silent The Mark of Zorro in 1920.

The sword, the whip, the acrobatics, and the fight for justice for the oppressed? They're all integral to the character. Hacking is, well, not that.

Could they update it to the modern era? Sure, to an extent, maybe linking the character to some kind of social justice movement, and there are certainly enough wealthy targets around, though these might be more corporate than in the classic stories.

A female Zorro? Could work, and has been done at least twice: Zorro's Black Whip in 1944 with Linda Stirling and the TV series Queen of Swords. I seem to remember they also toyed with the idea of Catherine Zeta-Jones becoming (a second?) Zorro in the sequel shortly after The Mask of Zorro became so successful, though we wound up with something...else.

But overall? It sounds a lot like just slapping a familiar name on mediocre, derivative projects to try to drum up interest.
 
2021-11-30 4:01:24 PM  

PvtStash: They can't actually imagine a new character's name.
that's all they have to do, to pretend they did anything new at all.

tell the basic zoro story:
An insider turned vigilante against the system, playing a double life of on the inside of the power circle, while actively trying to work against it under a fake persona.


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/yeah, I know it's directly based in-universe
 
2021-11-30 4:04:19 PM  
I love Zorro as a character, but take away the mask and the sword and the double identity and I have a really hard time seeing how this is going to work. Zorro is like FUN Batman - while the gender switch is fine, I just can't see grimdark realism working for this character and I especially can't see how anything involving hacking isn't going to be some combination of duller than paint drying coupled with nonsense tech babble that would make even the least gifted writer from Star Trek Next Gen complain about a lack of believeability. Love the idea of a new Zorro show, but keep it grounded in what makes the character work - buffoon by day and People's Vigilante by night. With a sword. Because great swordfights are part of what make Zorro movies awesome.
 
2021-11-30 4:05:54 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.


QUIET, YOU BUBBLE-HEADED BOOBY!

Oh, the pain, the pain!
 
2021-11-30 4:06:15 PM  

skyotter: inglixthemad: skyotter: Did someone already do this with Robin Hood, or am I making that up in my head?

Boy meets girl, falls in love. Boy goes out of his way to win said girl's affections. Boy eventually dies trying to protect/win said girl's attentions. Are we talking about Romeo and Juliet or King Kong?

The Rocky Horror Picture Show.


Exactly.
 
2021-11-30 4:08:34 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.


Zorro as a Hacker?

Maybe they can have him fight an electric sword duel around a nuclear reactor...
 
2021-11-30 4:09:24 PM  
Why is there a big 'Z' on my non fungible token?

/Somehow, this doesn't seem to work...
 
2021-11-30 4:25:44 PM  
Zorro as a hacker!

Pay for the whole seat, but you'll only use the edge!
 
2021-11-30 4:33:13 PM  
We already had a computer nerd zorro:

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2021-11-30 4:34:36 PM  
Oh, and ...

Video of Guy Williams & Britt Lombard, along with Henry Calvin and Jolene Brand, getting their Zorro on at Disneyland in 1958...

Guy Williams as Zorro at Disneyland, 1958
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2021-11-30 4:45:30 PM  
There's zero problems with a hacker character named z0rr0 (other than it probably already being used by someone for real), but that's not enough to actually make it a Zorro movie.
 
2021-11-30 4:47:34 PM  

hebrides: jackmalice: Two bits, four bits, six bits a byte.
All those for Z0rr0, stand up and fight.

A Zorro, the Gay Blade reference? Impressive.

But the hacker idea, or basically any of the other ones from the article? I can't really see how any of them has much to do with Zorro.

Zorro is a swashbuckler; more than that, he's one of the definitive swashbucklers, since he was created in 1919 and immediately inspired Douglas Fairbanks, Sr. to adapt the story into the original silent The Mark of Zorro in 1920.

The sword, the whip, the acrobatics, and the fight for justice for the oppressed? They're all integral to the character. Hacking is, well, not that.

Could they update it to the modern era? Sure, to an extent, maybe linking the character to some kind of social justice movement, and there are certainly enough wealthy targets around, though these might be more corporate than in the classic stories.

A female Zorro? Could work, and has been done at least twice: Zorro's Black Whip in 1944 with Linda Stirling and the TV series Queen of Swords. I seem to remember they also toyed with the idea of Catherine Zeta-Jones becoming (a second?) Zorro in the sequel shortly after The Mask of Zorro became so successful, though we wound up with something...else.

But overall? It sounds a lot like just slapping a familiar name on mediocre, derivative projects to try to drum up interest.


Thanks for catching the reference.  Zorro the Gay Blade holds up to this day in the same way that Blazing Saddles does.  I certainly agree with your points - I don't see any reason in recasting Zorro as a hacker.  Not even Robin Hood.  What's he going to do? Steal Bitcoin from the Rich and Venmo it to the Poor?
 
2021-11-30 4:55:51 PM  

PvtStash: this is not silly, this is SAD.


They can't actually imagine a new character's name.
that's all they have to do, to pretend they did anything new at all.


I stumbled on this video yesterday. John Carpenter is asked if he liked Rob Zombie's 'Halloween' movies. He gives a perfect answer as to why remakes exist.

/ spoiler alert: he didn't like Rob Zombie's remake.
 
2021-11-30 5:02:10 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Oh, and ...

Video of Guy Williams & Britt Lombard, along with Henry Calvin and Jolene Brand, getting their Zorro on at Disneyland in 1958...

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Thanks for this! I have a new destination once I can finally afford that time machine...check this out in person, then spend a couple hundred bucks on a (then) new sunburst Les Paul before heading home...
 
2021-11-30 5:02:23 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: And now the 7th Sea campaign I'm pondering for the new year has taken a decidedly Castillian/Los Vagos turn...


Don't do it, the Castillians and the pirates are booooring. Not as much as the Eisen, but still...
 
2021-11-30 5:02:42 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: OtherLittleGuy: Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.

Zorro as a Hacker?

Maybe they can have him fight an electric sword duel around a nuclear reactor...


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2021-11-30 5:02:54 PM  
The fact that the person writing this could only come up with "Zorro 2.0" as a working title when subby pulled the obvious pun out in a matter of probably seconds tells me that this is a person who shouldn't be writing movies even before reading TFA and finding out that the man apparently has never seen Zorro and is just making this in complete ignorance.

Though, regarding the pitch itself:

The core of Zorro's character is that he's an aristocrat who's doing all of this, aka a member of the caste and in many cases part of the specific groups ultimately responsible for all of the problems he's fighting to correct on the smaller scale in the first place.  He's not the underdog, not a poor undocumented migrant or anything of the sort.  This is the fundamental moral issue posed by the franchise.  He is one man trying to use a bucket to hold back the tide on a sea of problems driven by the caste that he's a part of.

This isn't some ancillary complaint about some minor aspect of Zorro that I liked, either, this is what the property was conceived to address.  It was basically a rewrite of Orczy's Scarlet Pimpernel series whose only real change was to add in him actually being conflicted with the issue and coming face-to-face with it on the regular.  Like... Blakeney always avoided the issue because his foes were overwhelmingly French, Zorro would straight-up faceplant into the crimes he was trying to rectify being orchestrated at the behest of his cousin or whatever.

Switching him from a wealthy aristocrat to a scrappy underdog who has to build his own tools and obtain his own resources... basically makes the character not Zorro anymore.  More even than having him not be a swashbuckling swordfighter makes him "not Zorro", which is already a whole lot of not being Zorro to deal with.

Also... no camp?  In a Zorro movie?  The franchise that had a movie unashamedly called "the Gay Blade" where there was a version of the costume that was farking eye-searing lavender technicolored to be even brighter?  This is the franchise where you're going full throttle on the grittiness and realism?
 
2021-11-30 5:07:44 PM  
This kind of reads more to me like someone taking up the Zorro mantle in the present (which would explain the 2.0 thing).  I think it COULD work depending on how it's executed, but I have basically no faith it will be done in a salvageable way.

-goofy doofus works as some kind of diplomat/government contractor/campaign donor
-uses hacker skills to gather information/sabotage programs
-at least one solid chase (motorcycle is too on the nose, have him drive a black mustang)
-at least 2 good fight scenes
 
2021-11-30 5:11:36 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Also... no camp?  In a Zorro movie?  The franchise that had a movie unashamedly called "the Gay Blade" where there was a version of the costume that was farking eye-searing lavender technicolored to be even brighter?  This is the franchise where you're going full throttle on the grittiness and realism?


I always got the impression that "The Gay Blade" was more like a parody which used the real name because public domain that happened to take off.  Like Robin Hood: Men in Tights.
 
2021-11-30 5:17:56 PM  

mike_d85: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: OtherLittleGuy: Yeah, but after the pilot, it will focus on the whiny scene-stealing "villain", the cute kid, and the robot.

Zorro as a Hacker?

Maybe they can have him fight an electric sword duel around a nuclear reactor...

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(Actually, that was a reference to a 'they-really-did-that' stunt they had Guy Williams (John Robinson / Zorro) do back on the old 'Lost in Space' series.)
 
2021-11-30 5:18:24 PM  

Jim_Callahan: when subby pulled the obvious pun out in a matter of probably seconds


It's a great headline, Subby.  Well done!
 
2021-11-30 5:22:03 PM  

hebrides: RoyFokker'sGhost: Oh, and ...

Video of Guy Williams & Britt Lombard, along with Henry Calvin and Jolene Brand, getting their Zorro on at Disneyland in 1958...

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Thanks for this! I have a new destination once I can finally afford that time machine...check this out in person, then spend a couple hundred bucks on a (then) new sunburst Les Paul before heading home...


Make sure you schedule a stop for a week at the 1939 New York World's Fair!

/might be tough to find a day with decent weather, though, from what I heard...
//Read 'Twilight at the World of Tomorrow' for a great look at the Fair.
 
2021-11-30 5:22:09 PM  
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2021-11-30 5:25:12 PM  

mike_d85: Jim_Callahan: Also... no camp?  In a Zorro movie?  The franchise that had a movie unashamedly called "the Gay Blade" where there was a version of the costume that was farking eye-searing lavender technicolored to be even brighter?  This is the franchise where you're going full throttle on the grittiness and realism?

I always got the impression that "The Gay Blade" was more like a parody which used the real name because public domain that happened to take off.  Like Robin Hood: Men in Tights.


It was explicitly a comedy, but it was also explicitly an actual sequel to the (non-comedy) 1940 Mark of Zorro film.  It wasn't a public domain thing, it was made by 20th century Fox, the same studio that did the earlier one.  Belated, yes, genre shifted, yes, but still legit.

Honestly The Gay Blade is kinda cheating when pointing out how camp the franchise tends to get since it was intentionally exaggerated, though, that's a fair cop.  I'm still gonna hold my position, though, because both the Antonio Banderas movie that y'all youngins know Zorro from and the 1957 black-and-white TV series that was the character's main presence in the cultural zeitgeist before that were also super campy, though in a fashion intended to be taken more seriously overall.

I'd actually kinda question if swashbuckling in general can be done without campiness, though maybe me thinking this is just a result of all the swashbuckling stuff I enjoyed as a kid (e.g. pirate movies or certain hong kong martial arts flicks) also exuding the campy vibes pretty hard.  Gotta get them poofy sleeves and have some colorful chandeliers hanging around to drop on people, y'know?

// I wonder how well the 1957 series holds up if you watch it in, like, the actual order of publication instead of catching it on network TV at random decades later.  There's probably a streaming service that has it, that'd actually tempt me to sign up.
 
2021-11-30 5:50:41 PM  
It could work. Probably won't. But it could.

ToJim_Callahan, Zorro's father was portrayed as benevolent, but the solution was above his pay grade. This required Zorro to become a vigilante,to go outside the law. It does absolutely ignore the inequity built into the system that provided the resources Zorro used.

What if the hero is a woke coder, hired due to nepotism at a parent's government vendor security firm? Hero finds injustice, goes all Snowden in them. The twist? The hero uses tactics that can be replicated in the real world. It becomes a very small scale video anarchist's cookbook. Demonstrate things a viewer  could imitate or adapt.

It would be an interesting thought exercise to make a list of lite rather than leet online tools people could use to promote freedom of information or how to gum up platforms that are hoovering up data. Many of the ideas could be used for I'll, but the same can be said for many vigilante movies.

Putting some creative accessible tools in the context of an adventure film might make folks pay more attention, even though the tricks may already be out there.

/Please no green ASCII text scrolling in the reflection of giant eyeglasses.
 
2021-11-30 5:51:26 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: hebrides: RoyFokker'sGhost: Oh, and ...

Video of Guy Williams & Britt Lombard, along with Henry Calvin and Jolene Brand, getting their Zorro on at Disneyland in 1958...

[iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/LkxPRW7NTc0?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsapi=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&widgetid=1]

Thanks for this! I have a new destination once I can finally afford that time machine...check this out in person, then spend a couple hundred bucks on a (then) new sunburst Les Paul before heading home...

Make sure you schedule a stop for a week at the 1939 New York World's Fair!

/might be tough to find a day with decent weather, though, from what I heard...
//Read 'Twilight at the World of Tomorrow' for a great look at the Fair.


Definitely would love to stop there, especially since my grandfather (who passed away 40 years ago) was a tour guide...
 
2021-11-30 6:02:17 PM  

shabu: ToJim_Callahan, Zorro's father was portrayed as benevolent, but the solution was above his pay grade. This required Zorro to become a vigilante,to go outside the law. It does absolutely ignore the inequity built into the system that provided the resources Zorro used.

What if the hero is a woke coder, hired due to nepotism at a parent's government vendor security firm? Hero finds injustice, goes all Snowden in them. The twist? The hero uses tactics that can be replicated in the real world. It becomes a very small scale video anarchist's cookbook. Demonstrate things a viewer  could imitate or adapt.


That's fair, I guess just straight-up casting Silicon Valley tech firms as the quasi-aristocratic parasitic class that's always oppressing people or outright harming them without anyone being able to hold them accountable wouldn't be much of a stretch.  I mean, I basically just described literally every corporation within the games industry.

Given who funds movies for the most part these days and how they're distributed that'd be a move that'd require significant balls, though, and I'm not getting that vibe here.
 
2021-11-30 6:11:02 PM  

shabu: It could work. Probably won't. But it could.

ToJim_Callahan, Zorro's father was portrayed as benevolent, but the solution was above his pay grade. This required Zorro to become a vigilante,to go outside the law. It does absolutely ignore the inequity built into the system that provided the resources Zorro used.

What if the hero is a woke coder, hired due to nepotism at a parent's government vendor security firm? Hero finds injustice, goes all Snowden in them. The twist? The hero uses tactics that can be replicated in the real world. It becomes a very small scale video anarchist's cookbook. Demonstrate things a viewer  could imitate or adapt.

It would be an interesting thought exercise to make a list of lite rather than leet online tools people could use to promote freedom of information or how to gum up platforms that are hoovering up data. Many of the ideas could be used for I'll, but the same can be said for many vigilante movies.

Putting some creative accessible tools in the context of an adventure film might make folks pay more attention, even though the tricks may already be out there.

/Please no green ASCII text scrolling in the reflection of giant eyeglasses.


The only way that I can see it working at all would be to turn the camp up to 11 and to relegate the hacking to a framing device.
 
2021-11-30 6:42:34 PM  

jackmalice: Two bits, four bits, six bits a byte.
All those for Z0rr0, stand up and fight.


Man. Been a long time since I've seen that. Over the summer break as a kid I'd watch it at least once a week at my grandpa's place. Have to grab it from the library and throw it on my server, just because. Thanks!
 
2021-11-30 7:01:12 PM  
"Who was that masked man?"

"I don't know, but we found this burned into one of the monitors."

z
 
2021-11-30 7:04:04 PM  

bumblefuss: "Who was that masked man?"

"I don't know, but we found this burned into one of the monitors."

z


Okay, today I learned that posting binary here  will get translated.

Thanks a lot, fark. It should have been:

0 1 1 1 1 0 1 0

So I guess we'll see if fark will translate that as well.
 
2021-11-30 7:04:36 PM  
As long as we see a shot of the pearls falling in slow motion m, I'm in!!
 
2021-11-30 7:18:22 PM  
T h i s w i l l g o a b o u t a s w e l l a s o n e w o u l d e x p e c t . W h e r e i s y o u r g o d n o w ?
 
2021-11-30 7:19:30 PM  
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2021-11-30 8:13:03 PM  

Jim_Callahan: mike_d85: Jim_Callahan: Also... no camp?  In a Zorro movie?  The franchise that had a movie unashamedly called "the Gay Blade" where there was a version of the costume that was farking eye-searing lavender technicolored to be even brighter?  This is the franchise where you're going full throttle on the grittiness and realism?

I always got the impression that "The Gay Blade" was more like a parody which used the real name because public domain that happened to take off.  Like Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

It was explicitly a comedy, but it was also explicitly an actual sequel to the (non-comedy) 1940 Mark of Zorro film.  It wasn't a public domain thing, it was made by 20th century Fox, the same studio that did the earlier one.  Belated, yes, genre shifted, yes, but still legit.

Honestly The Gay Blade is kinda cheating when pointing out how camp the franchise tends to get since it was intentionally exaggerated, though, that's a fair cop.  I'm still gonna hold my position, though, because both the Antonio Banderas movie that y'all youngins know Zorro from and the 1957 black-and-white TV series that was the character's main presence in the cultural zeitgeist before that were also super campy, though in a fashion intended to be taken more seriously overall.

I'd actually kinda question if swashbuckling in general can be done without campiness, though maybe me thinking this is just a result of all the swashbuckling stuff I enjoyed as a kid (e.g. pirate movies or certain hong kong martial arts flicks) also exuding the campy vibes pretty hard.  Gotta get them poofy sleeves and have some colorful chandeliers hanging around to drop on people, y'know?

// I wonder how well the 1957 series holds up if you watch it in, like, the actual order of publication instead of catching it on network TV at random decades later.  There's probably a streaming service that has it, that'd actually tempt me to sign up.


Disney+ supposedly has all 78 episodes.
 
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