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Nadie_AZ [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 11:44:54 AM  
I see it does not address income inequality and the destruction of the middle class. The rage that middle America feels is directly tied to this. BLM had this at the core. Native nations continually suffer and are utterly ignored. White America is feeling what the Rest Of America has been feeling, all the while the wealthy and political elites deflect anywhere and everywhere else.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 11:51:59 AM  
Is there even one American institution that isn't entirely corrupt?
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 11:56:33 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I see it does not address income inequality and the destruction of the middle class.


Sadly, Bill Clinton could have helped to reverse some of the policies that Reagan and Bush I set in motion. But he wanted a moderate "Third Way" that would annoy as few conservatives as possible. I don't blame Barack Obama -- he was just the guy who had to pick up the pieces after the economy broke while the GOP was trying to obstruct him in every possible way.

Meanwhile, my Trumper stepfather always blames everything on "Democrat" higher taxes when, in fact, effective tax rates for corporations and the rich have never been lower. Where do we go from here?
 
cooldaddygroove [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 12:03:56 PM  
mufarker, we know
 
dr_blasto [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 12:31:43 PM  
Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.
 
Gubbo [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 12:38:35 PM  

dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.


I mean, if one party is hell bent on destroying America and the other thinks it might be nice to pay people a living wage, acknowledging that will mean that both sides really isn't true.

And once you lose that, what have you got left.
 
bostonguy [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 12:40:15 PM  

dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.


https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1465483158770565126

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apoptotic
2021-11-30 12:51:51 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Is there even one American institution that isn't entirely corrupt?


Sesame Street?
 
special20
2021-11-30 12:52:08 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I see it does not address income inequality and the destruction of the middle class. The rage that middle America feels is directly tied to this. BLM had this at the core. Native nations continually suffer and are utterly ignored. White America is feeling what the Rest Of America has been feeling, all the while the wealthy and political elites deflect anywhere and everywhere else.


I dare say, it's more about an economic classifications than anything decidedly racial. America (and the whole world) has shat upon the poor since ... like... forever.
 
thatboyoverthere
2021-11-30 12:52:12 PM  
I'm just surprised that the rest of NATO hasn't decided to fark with the elections like Russia did just to keep America a reliable party.
 
whidbey
2021-11-30 12:52:56 PM  
Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.
 
ElwoodCuse
2021-11-30 12:53:50 PM  
Nope, they even got to Sesame Street. It went to hell after HBO took over.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2021-11-30 12:54:16 PM  

whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.


Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?
 
justanotherfarkinfarker
2021-11-30 12:54:23 PM  
Well I think it's more I'm white, know all about it and don't care.

The country will be 50% brown before too long. And that chicken will come to roost.

AdmirableSnackbar: Is there even one American institution that isn't entirely corrupt?

"Entirely"? Sure plenty. Somewhat corrupt, probably not.
 
misanthropicsob [OhFark]
2021-11-30 12:54:40 PM  

dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.


Between working three jobs to put a roof over their head and trying to raise a family, "America" didn't have time to even start to learn until the pandemic.

They just knew they were being screwed and the Republicans provided a scapegoat of the Democrats.
 
Rapmaster2000
2021-11-30 12:54:54 PM  
Every single thing in America is irredeemably corrupt.

Except for me.  I'm honest and trustworthy.  I'm not out here pretending to be something I'm not.
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 12:55:03 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: AdmirableSnackbar: Is there even one American institution that isn't entirely corrupt?

"Entirely"? Sure plenty.


They are...? Serious question, which is why "plenty" is not terribly helpful.
 
odinsposse
2021-11-30 12:55:24 PM  

cooldaddygroove: mufarker, we know


Yep, but all we can do is try to vote out the people who are trying to end voting as a way to elect politicians.
 
cranked
2021-11-30 12:55:49 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.

Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?


Nice strawmanski.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2021-11-30 12:57:11 PM  

cranked: HotWingConspiracy: whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.

Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?

Nice strawmanski.


Are you Russia?
 
bthom37
2021-11-30 12:57:17 PM  

bostonguy: dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1465483158770565126

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Oh yeah, Americans are deeply propagandized, and carry the unconscious belief that "it will all work out, someone else will fix it".  After all, we've been told our whole lives how special and perfect our democracy is, despite what's been increasingly obvious since 2000.
 
Fista-Phobia
2021-11-30 12:58:01 PM  
The GOP and right wingers LOOK FORWARD to taking away the outgroup's rights.
 
MattytheMouse [recently expired TotalFark]
2021-11-30 12:58:54 PM  

bostonguy: dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1465483158770565126

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IMO, one of the biggest failings when it comes to teaching about the holocaust in my education is focusing way too much on the literal facts and figures, and less on the abstract social reasons on how and why it was allowed to happen.

Like, everybody knows the Nazis killed millions of people. Everybody knows they burned books. And any jackass with a martyr complex can co-opt that imagery to say "goodness gosh, this is just like the Nazis!" But far too few people see the frightening parallel with us rounding up certain people and callously dismissing it because "they're illegal" or "it's good for the economy."
 
yellowjester
2021-11-30 1:00:09 PM  
stopped reading after "MSNBC Opinion Columnist"
 
justanotherfarkinfarker
2021-11-30 1:00:31 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: They are...? Serious question, which is why "plenty" is not terribly helpful.


USPS is pretty solid except for the Trump corksucker and his helpers. National Park services are good in my book, except underfunded so I'm sure there's some pissed off slacking rangers. US Mint doesn't seem to fark around and they make all those collectors series that give old people something to buy and give to grand-kids... who will crack them open and buy candy.

Could go on...
 
Pants full of macaroni!! [BareFark]
2021-11-30 1:00:37 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Nope, they even got to Sesame Street. It went to hell after HBO took over.


It went to hell when they let Elmo take over.
 
fredbox [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 1:00:40 PM  
1 like = 1 prayer
1 bullet = 1 vote
1 dollar = .0000001 senator
 
AlgaeRancher [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 1:01:09 PM  
HB 1
 
odinsposse
2021-11-30 1:01:30 PM  

Fista-Phobia: The GOP and right wingers LOOK FORWARD to taking away the outgroup's rights.


Because they fundamentally don't understand that their rights will get taken away if they get what they want. The Murdochs of the world aren't going to share power with the people they view as hicks and fruitcakes. They're just slitting their own throats because the TV told them to.
 
SecondaryControl [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 1:01:52 PM  
Isfailing?

Good one.

It's been in trouble since they decided to let Nixon go.

/It's like complaining that your dog shiats on your pillow when you give him treats for...shiatting on your pillow.
 
Fiatlux
2021-11-30 1:02:53 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Nope, they even got to Sesame Street. It went to hell after HBO took over.


Bullshiat. They are doing amazing work every day.
 
Gin Buddy
2021-11-30 1:03:17 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: ElwoodCuse: Nope, they even got to Sesame Street. It went to hell after HBO took over.

It went to hell when they let Elmo take over.


But corrupt though?  I mean Elmo sucked but I don't think he was taking bribes or paying out hush money.
 
apocryphaandmyth
2021-11-30 1:03:59 PM  
Look on the bright side:  we can start having show trials and summary executions of all the people that are traitors, and we won't need due process anymore.

/come on...it's what we all want.
 
tricycleracer
2021-11-30 1:04:10 PM  

bostonguy: dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1465483158770565126

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Since March 2020 I've filled up my tank twice.  I'm like Lucille Bluth when it comes to gas prices.
 
Bovine Diarrhea Virus
2021-11-30 1:04:15 PM  
Blah blah blah. Where's my Xbox Series X?  I can't care about democracy when my consumer items are not available!!
 
AdmirableSnackbar [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2021-11-30 1:04:23 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: AdmirableSnackbar: They are...? Serious question, which is why "plenty" is not terribly helpful.

USPS is pretty solid except for the Trump corksucker and his helpers. National Park services are good in my book, except underfunded so I'm sure there's some pissed off slacking rangers. US Mint doesn't seem to fark around and they make all those collectors series that give old people something to buy and give to grand-kids... who will crack them open and buy candy.

Could go on...


So....maybe the National Parks and the US Mint are corruption free since the USPS is extremely broken. That's not good.
 
Hyperbolic Hyperbole
2021-11-30 1:04:25 PM  
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The American government has been this guy longer than this guy has been a meme
 
whidbey
2021-11-30 1:05:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.

Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?


You do Putin's work for him.  What's the difference?
 
whidbey
2021-11-30 1:05:52 PM  

yellowjester: stopped reading after "MSNBC Opinion Columnist"


So did I.  Pointing it out enraged the Russian operatives here, I see.
 
jso2897
2021-11-30 1:06:59 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.

Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?


Who are you calling a Russian, Comrade?
 
EyeballKid
2021-11-30 1:07:01 PM  

whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.


"FAYK NOOZ! OUR PARTY IS FULL OF WISE AND RIGHTEOUS GOD-KINGS AND YOU'RE AN ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE FOR SAYING OTHERWISE!"

Nice blue hat you got on.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2021-11-30 1:07:12 PM  

whidbey: HotWingConspiracy: whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.

Do you think they're all Russians too, like the people on fark?

You do Putin's work for him.  What's the difference?


What time does the nurse bring your meds, grandpa?
 
BitwiseShift
2021-11-30 1:07:18 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: AdmirableSnackbar: They are...? Serious question, which is why "plenty" is not terribly helpful.

USPS is pretty solid except for the Trump corksucker and his helpers. National Park services are good in my book, except underfunded so I'm sure there's some pissed off slacking rangers. US Mint doesn't seem to fark around and they make all those collectors series that give old people something to buy and give to grand-kids... who will crack them open and buy candy.

Could go on...


How about the IRS in collecting taxes on the rich and the political non-profits?
 
KiwDaWabbit
2021-11-30 1:07:50 PM  
Self-awareness just isn't our jam.
 
Juc [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 1:08:11 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Is there even one American institution that isn't entirely corrupt?


Costco
 
Katie98_KT
2021-11-30 1:08:55 PM  
Oh my god. USA needs to get over ourselves.  Other established democracies have similar problems.

Seriously, isn't the prime minister of Israel under arrest for corruption right now?
Italy elected and reelected someone who had sex with teenage girls.

Yes. Democracy is messy. Corrupt. The worst form of government... except for all the other ones.
 
MattytheMouse [recently expired TotalFark]
2021-11-30 1:09:39 PM  

bostonguy: dr_blasto: Pretty sure "America" knows.

It's just that most don't care.

https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1465483158770565126

[Fark user image 850x404]


Also, the thing that's doubly insane about the whole gas prices thing is...

Like, the automotive and oil industries conspired to destroy large swathes of American cities and their public transportation to force us to be dependent upon their products. Like, the bad guy from Who Framed Roger Rabbit?'s plan actually happened, and... People are just okay with it.

Whenever I'm like, "hey, that's kinda farked up. Maybe we should start rebuilding cities to be more walkable and have more dependable public transportation, and stop being so dependent upon private automobiles and start weening ourselves of fossil fuels," people look at me like I'm the crazy one and then are like "nah, we just need to build Elon's hyperloop. The solution to all these traffic problems is that we clearly need to make a hollow earth so we can load shiatty cars onto other shiatty cars and shoot them around."
 
Hyjamon
2021-11-30 1:09:49 PM  

whidbey: Oh f*ck off MSNBC.  All you do is talk shiat on the Democrats.

You don't give a shiat about democracy.


considering it is becoming the former-republican network, are you surprised?

Even Stephanie Ruhle is banging the "workers need to get back into the office!" drum.  Citing things like how young workers are missing out on chances to be mentored by more senior staff since they are not in the conference room meetings anymore.

ignoring the fact that 1) young workers were never in those meetings to begin with and 2) you can mentor remotely without sexually harassing the mentee in person.

the water cooler effect only works if the big cheese and workers actually use the same water cooler.  Once the big bosses are on another floor or building, then the effect goes to zero.
 
justanotherfarkinfarker
2021-11-30 1:10:53 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: USPS is extremely broken


Only intentionally broken by the GOP. You could fix the USPS in a busy afternoon of congress. Until Trump, even hamstrung by the pension funding, they did better than UPS, Fedex, Amazon at a volume many times their combined totals to places they wouldn't go.
 
austerity101 [TotalFark]
2021-11-30 1:11:55 PM  

Katie98_KT: Oh my god. USA needs to get over ourselves.  Other established democracies have similar problems.

Seriously, isn't the prime minister of Israel under arrest for corruption right now?
Italy elected and reelected someone who had sex with teenage girls.

Yes. Democracy is messy. Corrupt. The worst form of government... except for all the other ones.


That is ... not what this article is about.
 
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