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2021-11-30 2:01:17 PM  
Once the 'shaman' has completed the Native American ritual of blood and agony, the elders might listen
 
2021-11-30 4:02:23 PM  
Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.
 
2021-11-30 7:12:55 PM  
"No, wait, I didn't really mean to plead 'guilty'.  I was just joking.  C'mon!"
 
2021-11-30 7:12:56 PM  

nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.


Shhh. Let's see him get more! This will be fun!

/bet he'd off himself if he did
 
2021-11-30 7:13:25 PM  
"Chansley's decision to replace Albert Watkins with John Pierce"

John Pierce, noted fraud.
 
2021-11-30 7:13:50 PM  

nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.


Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.
 
2021-11-30 7:14:25 PM  
You're violating my rights by taking my guilty plea as an admission that I'm guilty!
 
2021-11-30 7:14:46 PM  

thorpe: "Chansley's decision to replace Albert Watkins with John Pierce"

John Pierce, noted fraud.


Oh, he's farked.
 
2021-11-30 7:15:22 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.
 
2021-11-30 7:16:00 PM  
This guy was on Farker Carlson yesterday with the story being about the inequality in prison sentences. I turned it off when they had some cherry picked counterpoint they made look like part of the Jan 6 insurrection.
 
2021-11-30 7:16:56 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.


Armed?  What violence did he threaten?

Everything of him on video is calling for peace, no violence, but to be disruptive so voices would be heard.
 
2021-11-30 7:18:32 PM  
Ummmmm.....if you appeal a plea and the plea gets vacated....I'm fairly sure that you would not get less time.

/ ONLY THE BEST LAWYERS
 
2021-11-30 7:19:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.


The note he left for the VP should have gotten him 5 all by itself.
 
2021-11-30 7:19:43 PM  
Attention whore gonna whore.
 
2021-11-30 7:20:28 PM  
Christ, sit down and go talk to your mental health counselor, dumbass. Your fifteen minutes are up.
 
2021-11-30 7:20:50 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.

Armed?


Yes. In every available photo of him from that day he has a weapon in his hand.

What violence did he threaten?

Chansley left a note on the dais, which said, "It's Only a Matter of Time. Justice is Coming" and called Pence a "f---ing traitor."

Everything of him on video is calling for peace, no violence, but to be disruptive so voices would be heard.

During Wednesday's hearing, Kimberly Paschall, a prosecutor, played a video of Chansley howling while inside Congress to underscore the severity of his actions on Jan. 6.

"Time's up you motherf---- !" Chansley shouted.
 
2021-11-30 7:21:47 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


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2021-11-30 7:22:41 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.

Armed?  What violence did he threaten?

Everything of him on video is calling for peace, no violence, but to be disruptive so voices would be heard.


He entered a federal facility without authorization. That's how you get shot.
 
2021-11-30 7:22:53 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: Armed?  What violence did he threaten?


He carried a spear. That's a weapon.  He left a note for the VP threatening that "It's only a matter of time. Justice is coming," the sentiment of the lynch mob. Every charge he pled to had the possible consequences spelled out for him.  He deserved more, and might actually get more.
 
2021-11-30 7:23:40 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


Calm down, Mr. Pierce.
 
2021-11-30 7:24:28 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


But he's a furry.
 
2021-11-30 7:25:03 PM  
 
2021-11-30 7:28:35 PM  
If the insurrection would have been successful his face would probably be on the new Trump dollar bill.
 
2021-11-30 7:29:27 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


He was part of an insurrection whose goal was to end the republic. Together with them he stormed the capital and - for I believe the first time in the nation's history - temporarily stopped the certification of the newly elected government. He personally left a note threatening the outgoing Vice President of our country. The mob killed several people, desecrated the capital building (people smeared shiat on the walls), and he was right there with them.

He wasn't a conscientious objector, he wasn't trying to keep his fellow insurrectionists from literally - not figuratively, literally - attacking our government he was an active, enthusiastic participant. He had exactly 0 problem with the violence that day - until he got caught, charged, and someone with some modicum of sense finally impressed upon him how deep in trouble he might have gotten himself. In fact, he CHOSE to be a standard bearer for it.

Fark your bullshiat.
 
2021-11-30 7:29:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.

Armed?

Yes. In every available photo of him from that day he has a weapon in his hand.

What violence did he threaten?

Chansley left a note on the dais, which said, "It's Only a Matter of Time. Justice is Coming" and called Pence a "f---ing traitor."

Everything of him on video is calling for peace, no violence, but to be disruptive so voices would be heard.

During Wednesday's hearing, Kimberly Paschall, a prosecutor, played a video of Chansley howling while inside Congress to underscore the severity of his actions on Jan. 6.

"Time's up you motherf---- !" Chansley shouted.


I mean, I'm with you. Buy ws he charged with ANY of those things?
 
2021-11-30 7:30:36 PM  
Die in prison, traitor.
 
2021-11-30 7:31:58 PM  

nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.


Insert Better Call Saul skater twins hospital clip.
 
2021-11-30 7:33:22 PM  
Since when does hiring a s***ty lawyer serve as grounds for appeal?
 
2021-11-30 7:34:31 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


So? People get shiatty sentences all the time for a wide range of reasons. Some of them are because the judge doesn't like them. You wanna go back and debate every shiatty sentence someone got because the judge wanted to "send a message"? Or is this one in particular a problem for you?

He got what he deserved or less.
 
2021-11-30 7:36:07 PM  

Brooksider: If the insurrection would have been successful his face would probably be on the new Trump dollar bill.


As if Trump would allow anyone but himself to be on every denomination of currency.
 
2021-11-30 7:38:03 PM  

RasIanI: Since when does hiring a s***ty lawyer serve as grounds for appeal?


Sometimes if you can prove that your lawyer took a dive...you can get a new trial*.

/ * offer only valid if you're a honky.
 
2021-11-30 7:38:16 PM  

iheartscotch: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: HotWingConspiracy: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was armed and threatened violence, piece of shiat got off light.

Armed?  What violence did he threaten?

Everything of him on video is calling for peace, no violence, but to be disruptive so voices would be heard.

He entered a federal facility without authorization. That's how you get shot.


Dressed in war paint and brandishing a weapon
 
2021-11-30 7:38:24 PM  

Subtonic: This guy was on Farker Carlson yesterday with the story being about the inequality in prison sentences. I turned it off when they had some cherry picked counterpoint they made look like part of the Jan 6 insurrection.


Eh, he's not wrong in comparison with the other 1/6 folks.  He is tied for the longest sentence with a dude who beat up a cop, and nothing he did comes anywhere near the level of beating up a cop.  Way more time than the slap on the wrists that have been distributed to most of the 1/6 rioters.  Something tells me that wasn't Tucker's point, though.

He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.  I'm not sure "people with poor fashion sense deserve heavier sentences" is a road Farkers want to go down.
 
2021-11-30 7:39:34 PM  

mongbiohazard: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

He was part of an insurrection whose goal was to end the republic. Together with them he stormed the capital and - for I believe the first time in the nation's history - temporarily stopped the certification of the newly elected government. He personally left a note threatening the outgoing Vice President of our country. The mob killed several people, desecrated the capital building (people smeared shiat on the walls), and he was right there with them.

He wasn't a conscientious objector, he wasn't trying to keep his fellow insurrectionists from literally - not figuratively, literally - attacking our government he was an active, enthusiastic participant. He had exactly 0 problem with the violence that day - until he got caught, charged, and someone with some modicum of sense finally impressed upon him how deep in trouble he might have gotten himself. In fact, he CHOSE to be a standard bearer for it.

Fark your bullshiat.


Yeah, normal, decent people would have tried to get as far away from what was going on that day as possible.  These scumbags who actually entered the Capitol are the lowest of the low and traitors to the country.  They deserve far more than what they've been getting.
 
2021-11-30 7:41:11 PM  
I love the idea that some of you are legitimately afraid of a group that has people who refer to themselves as "shamans"

isnt This is the guy who wouldn't eat the prison food cause it was yucky, and his mom had to bring him dinner up to the jail?

But to some of you THAT guy is capable of mass mayhem and destruction.
 
2021-11-30 7:43:09 PM  

bthom37: I'm not sure "people with poor fashion sense deserve heavier sentences" is a road Farkers want to go down.


lol, OK
 
2021-11-30 7:44:18 PM  
Idk, at this point, I'm anti-anti-Shaman. His jail sentence is grossly excessive for the crimes he committed. 41 months in prison is too much. He only got it because he dressed up for the Insurrection meanwhile some regular person who didn't dress up got a lesser sentence or Trump who's golfing on Mar-a-Lago.
 
2021-11-30 7:44:43 PM  

bthom37: Subtonic: This guy was on Farker Carlson yesterday with the story being about the inequality in prison sentences. I turned it off when they had some cherry picked counterpoint they made look like part of the Jan 6 insurrection.

Eh, he's not wrong in comparison with the other 1/6 folks.  He is tied for the longest sentence with a dude who beat up a cop, and nothing he did comes anywhere near the level of beating up a cop.  Way more time than the slap on the wrists that have been distributed to most of the 1/6 rioters.  Something tells me that wasn't Tucker's point, though.

He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.  I'm not sure "people with poor fashion sense deserve heavier sentences" is a road Farkers want to go down.


I agree. The rest of the 1/6'ers got off waaaaaay too easy.
 
2021-11-30 7:46:39 PM  

bthom37: He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.


The judge explained his sentencing decision and this didn't come up.

And who cares if he's tied for the longest sentence? That just means the others got off even lighter.
 
2021-11-30 7:47:39 PM  

bthom37: Subtonic: This guy was on Farker Carlson yesterday with the story being about the inequality in prison sentences. I turned it off when they had some cherry picked counterpoint they made look like part of the Jan 6 insurrection.

Eh, he's not wrong in comparison with the other 1/6 folks.  He is tied for the longest sentence with a dude who beat up a cop, and nothing he did comes anywhere near the level of beating up a cop.  Way more time than the slap on the wrists that have been distributed to most of the 1/6 rioters.  Something tells me that wasn't Tucker's point, though.

He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.  I'm not sure "people with poor fashion sense deserve heavier sentences" is a road Farkers want to go down.


The loudspeaker didn't help. Ask Charlie Manson about incitement.
 
2021-11-30 7:49:22 PM  

Funk Brothers: His jail sentence is grossly excessive for the crimes he committed.


He was part of an armed mob that invaded the U.S. Capitol floor for the first time since 1814.
The only thing that kept this from turning very bloody were the competence of the Capitol Police and Secret Service and the window-licking stupidity of the invaders.
If anything, the other sentences were too light.
 
2021-11-30 7:50:17 PM  

iheartscotch: bthom37: Subtonic: This guy was on Farker Carlson yesterday with the story being about the inequality in prison sentences. I turned it off when they had some cherry picked counterpoint they made look like part of the Jan 6 insurrection.

Eh, he's not wrong in comparison with the other 1/6 folks.  He is tied for the longest sentence with a dude who beat up a cop, and nothing he did comes anywhere near the level of beating up a cop.  Way more time than the slap on the wrists that have been distributed to most of the 1/6 rioters.  Something tells me that wasn't Tucker's point, though.

He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.  I'm not sure "people with poor fashion sense deserve heavier sentences" is a road Farkers want to go down.

I agree. The rest of the 1/6'ers got off waaaaaay too easy.


Yep.  I've said before in a similar thread they all, down to the grandma looking lost in the Capitol, should have caught at a minimum a felony preventing them from owning guns.

Being so happy that a visible symbol of 1/6 got a heavy sentence despite not doing much to deserve it compared to the people that did about as much, but were just dressed normally, is a sad commentary on the level of thought people engage in.  They, like the judge, get distracted by the clownishness and focus on the shiny guy, instead of the mass of rioters.
 
2021-11-30 7:51:43 PM  

vrax: Yeah, normal, decent people would have tried to get as far away from what was going on that day as possible.


Example, the demonstrators that were asking Donnie One Term to pardon Joe Exotic looked at how the crowd was getting and decided "Let's get the fark out of here."

Methed out ex-con tiger breeders were able to figure out what these numbnuts were planning to do and wanted no part of it.
 
2021-11-30 7:51:48 PM  
Fark this guy, sick of hearing about him. Every time I see a pic of him in his lunatic cosplay I wonder why he wasn't put in a special home years ago.
 
2021-11-30 7:52:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: bthom37: He's getting a heavy sentence because he dresses like a clown/Viking hybrid, and is therefore visible.  That's pretty farked up.

The judge explained his sentencing decision and this didn't come up.

And who cares if he's tied for the longest sentence? That just means the others got off even lighter.


The judge explained that he "had become a symbol".  Do you think he had become a symbol by his actions or by his dress?

And do you think he actually did worse things than the people who got off with lighter sentences?  Remember, his only charge that he was sentenced on was federal obstruction.
 
2021-11-30 7:54:05 PM  
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2021-11-30 7:55:13 PM  

thorpe: "Chansley's decision to replace Albert Watkins with John Pierce"

John Pierce, noted fraud.


Ohhhh. That guy. I thought I recognized the name.
 
2021-11-30 7:58:17 PM  

thorpe: ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.

Calm down, Mr. Pierce.


Their username checks out.
 
2021-11-30 7:58:24 PM  
The he fired lawyer that got him far less than prosecutors asked said "Jake is a remarkably gentle and bright young man." He may just get a new trial based on incompetent representation.
 
2021-11-30 7:59:41 PM  

ISmartAllMyOwnPosts: nmrsnr: Your lawyer got you 3.5 years instead of a max of 20, it's kind of hard to claim ineffective counsel.

Look at what he was actually charged with, read the plea document, and explain how 3.5 years is reasonable.  The worst thing he was actually charged with was interfering with an official proceeding - no violence, no breaking anything, just being there.

Anything more than time served is to send a political message.


FTFA: "Chansley originally faced six counts, including civil disorder, violent entry and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, and entering and remaining in a restricted building, among others."

Hmm, I wonder why he was able to only plead guilty to one charge and have the others dropped? Could it maybe have been part of said plea agreement, and therefore only looking at the charge he pled to would be a stupid thing to base the sentence on?
 
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