Skip to content
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Polygon)   Star Wars execs have farked up the production of Star Wars movies so badly that there won't be any for the foreseeable future   (polygon.com) divider line
    More: Spiffy, Star Wars, Star Wars movie, Star Wars movies, Star Wars projects, new film, Star Wars franchise, Star Wars fan, film projects  
•       •       •

1630 clicks; posted to Fandom » on 30 Nov 2021 at 7:42 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



99 Comments     (+0 »)
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2021-11-30 4:23:34 AM  
There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.
 
2021-11-30 4:27:33 AM  

bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.


My bad. "Except for Rogue One."
 
2021-11-30 6:35:33 AM  

bostonguy: bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.

My bad. "Except for Rogue One."


All you have to do is take the greatest Medieval, Fantasy or Western stories and add the words "In Space" and boom, great Star Wars film.
I could rewrite LOTR as a Star Wars trilogy inside a week and would be better than the drek they've produced.
 
2021-11-30 6:53:24 AM  
To be fair, it's hard to write a story set in a nigh-infinite galaxy with millions of planets and an uncountable number of beings with access to magic and technology that may as well be magic -- and also have the primary plot of said story involve the same dozen or so people, most of whom are all related and lived on essentially the same block in the same small town on a desert planet.
 
2021-11-30 7:45:12 AM  
Good, let Disney use it's considerable resources towards other IPs. There is way more than enough Star Wars in the world.
 
2021-11-30 7:45:41 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, it's hard to write a story set in a nigh-infinite galaxy with millions of planets and an uncountable number of beings with access to magic and technology that may as well be magic -- and also have the primary plot of said story involve the same dozen or so people, most of whom are all related and lived on essentially the same block in the same small town on a desert planet.


Nah, it's simple:
* Space bombers
* Weekend on Vegas Planet
* Send in the clones
* Rinse, wipe hands on pants, repeat

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 7:50:02 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: To be fair, it's hard to write a story set in a nigh-infinite galaxy with millions of planets and an uncountable number of beings with access to magic and technology that may as well be magic -- and also have the primary plot of said story involve the same dozen or so people, most of whom are all related and lived on essentially the same block in the same small town on a desert planet.


All trying to use or destroy a superweapon capable of destroying planets. Empire Strikes Back was the only one that mostly deviated from that formula and is the best one. Go figure.

Addendum: Fine. The Holiday Special and the Ewok Adventure movies did as well but they don't count because no one in their right mind would watch them if they knew what they were getting into.
 
2021-11-30 8:10:14 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 8:12:55 AM  
The new trilogy wiped out the New Republic, aborted the new Jedi Order, and treated the rest of the galaxy outside of the Resistance and First Order like it didn't exist. They've pretty much scorched the earth and salted the ground for any stories going forward.

What are they going to do? The New New Republic and New New Jedi Order? Oh here's Empire 3.0 led by Darth Redundas.

They've have to do a lot of world building with the series to get things back on track.
 
2021-11-30 8:14:23 AM  
Good, I say. Star Wars is at its best when the franchise isn't producing new movies.


I disagree; just don't churn out movies like you're turning the handle on a meat grinder.
 
2021-11-30 8:43:49 AM  

bostonguy: bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.

My bad. "Except for Rogue One."


Rogue One fails Screenwriter 101.

Granted it was reasonably entertaining but it's telling the best developed character was Wash, er, K2SO.

I mean, they couldn't even get motivations right. You've got a kid who hasn't seen a picture of their dad for over a decade, whom she desperately wants to see, and she leaves the message that could prove his intent behind? No, she wouldn't forget it, super spy guy would have to beat her unconscious to get her to leave that data crystal behind.

Everyone is pretty much an undeveloped two dimensional character that lives just long enough to perform important task, and then promptly dies.

Now given the original Lucas story, it stacks up pretty well. I mean, it's not like Lucas wrote some masterpiece of cinema. He just got lucky and managed to tap into the desires of the time.
 
2021-11-30 8:50:18 AM  
That's a smell mercy.
 
2021-11-30 8:57:57 AM  
There's always the Jar Jar goes multiple pronouns, finds out his parents are swingers, and falls in love with a  poorly repaired droid angle to play...
 
2021-11-30 8:58:29 AM  
When it comes to the Star Wars franchise, the movies are considered the sacred texts. Even though Star Wars sprawls into every medium, there's a level of scriptural reverence for the film trilogies that extends to how they're marketed. A Star Wars "Episode" isn't just a movie; it's an event, in a way virtually nothing else is these days.

Did this guy fall into a coma right after ROTJ came out, woke up last week, and hasn't brushed up on current news? Star Wars is still a popular franchise, but the movies have slipped pretty hard in their pop culture ranking. The MCU brings the event films nowadays. Star Wars is roughly on par with the Pirates of the Caribbean series, where each new movie is pretty much guaranteed to make money, but they don't hold the general public's attention for very long. As for "reverence", most fans decided back when the prequels came out that it was perfectly okay to pick favorites and ignore the rest.

/and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!
 
2021-11-30 8:59:44 AM  
Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 9:01:35 AM  

EdgeRunner: /and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!


That is literally the only way they could get me to like Mara Jade.
 
2021-11-30 9:06:59 AM  

inglixthemad: and she leaves the message that could prove his intent behind? No, she wouldn't forget it, super spy guy would have to beat her unconscious to get her to leave that data crystal behind.


You're ignoring that she was raised by a paranoid, psychotic, delusional, no-nonsense, everyone's-expendable-for-the-cause fr​eedom fighter like Saw who instilled those virtues in her. When we meet her, she's nobody's friend and has very little sentiment for her father, but when given the opportunity to find him and reconnect, to find out why he sent her away, she takes it.

You're mistaking her curiosity and need for closure for sentiment. She loved her father-- or the memories she had of her father-- but she was also very much Saw's ward and was therefore not as driven by the family connection as you seem to think. In fact, once her dad's dead she moves on pretty handily, spending more time being angry that he died before she could get her answers than sad that she lost him.

That's not bad writing. That's you not paying attention.
 
2021-11-30 9:09:25 AM  
A series makes way more sense anyway.

With movies you have to space the releases or people lose interest. It's hard to get numbers higher for the third installment than for the opening release movie. Your real money was in merch anyway, not ticket sales necessarily, the movies served to reinforce the "love" of the fan base for the story.

With a series you keep the real clingers fixed on the brand, you still maintain a source of merch concepts, and if you want more movies, fine, but you won't feel committed to making them.
 
2021-11-30 9:11:42 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: The new trilogy wiped out the New Republic, aborted the new Jedi Order, and treated the rest of the galaxy outside of the Resistance and First Order like it didn't exist. They've pretty much scorched the earth and salted the ground for any stories going forward.

What are they going to do? The New New Republic and New New Jedi Order? Oh here's Empire 3.0 led by Darth Redundas.

They've have to do a lot of world building with the series to get things back on track.


What are they going to do? The New New Republic and New New Jedi Order? Oh here's Empire 3.0 led by Darth Redundas.

I see you, too have read the EU books.
 
2021-11-30 9:12:45 AM  

EvilEgg: bostonguy: bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.

My bad. "Except for Rogue One."

All you have to do is take the greatest Medieval, Fantasy or Western stories and add the words "In Space" and boom, great Star Wars film.
I could rewrite LOTR as a Star Wars trilogy inside a week and would be better than the drek they've produced.


This is what Marvel Studios figured out. Don't make a "superhero movie" -- Make a spy movie starring a superhero. Make a western starring a superhero. Make a fish-out-of-water movie starring a superhero. Make a chase movie starring a superhero. Make an epic war movie starring superheroes.

And that works. It's also why The Mandalorian works so well; It's a spaghetti western (which are basically just modernized Japanese Samurai flicks) done with Star Wars characters.
 
2021-11-30 9:14:12 AM  

bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.


Seriously? Did you forget about the best movie in the entire series?
media-amazon.comView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 9:15:48 AM  

WilderKWight: You're ignoring that she was raised by a paranoid, psychotic, delusional, no-nonsense, everyone's-expendable-for-the-cause fr​eedom fighter like Saw who instilled those virtues in her. When we meet her, she's nobody's friend and has very little sentiment for her father, but when given the opportunity to find him and reconnect, to find out why he sent her away, she takes it.

You're mistaking her curiosity and need for closure for sentiment. She loved her father-- or the memories she had of her father-- but she was also very much Saw's ward and was therefore not as driven by the family connection as you seem to think. In fact, once her dad's dead she moves on pretty handily, spending more time being angry that he died before she could get her answers than sad that she lost him.

That's not bad writing. That's you not paying attention.


Yeah, that's why she falls to her knees blah blah blah. This is you wanting the movie to be better than it was in reality.

Look at it this way, it wasn't really any worse than what Lucas wrote. Rogue One was also miles better than Solo. Of course that second one is a pretty low bar to step over since Solo looked like it was written by students.
 
2021-11-30 9:18:35 AM  

WilderKWight: EdgeRunner: /and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!

That is literally the only way they could get me to like Mara Jade.


If (and personally I think it's more of a when) they bring back Mara Jade, I expect the character will be so thoroughly retooled that the only traits she'll keep are the red hair, the Jedi skills, and the bad assery. Beyond that, her personality and backstory could be absolutely anything.

I wouldn't put it past them to retcon her into being Boba Fett's abandoned daughter. It plays into the de rigueur family drama every major SW character has to have, gives her a reason to pop up in both the Fett show and the Mandalorian, and she could even get tasked to take over Baby Yoda's training (any excuse will do for why Luke was suddenly too busy and needed to hand him off). And now you don't just have fan favorite Mara Jade making appearances, but also an excuse for Grogu to keep dropping by to remind everyone how much they need to keep buying toys of him.

FYI Disney, I'm available for script consults, and I promise my suggestions will always keep the true magic of Star Wars in mind: the merchandizing!
 
2021-11-30 9:19:44 AM  
Honestly, the end of RoS gives an ok starting off base - the New Republic is crippled, no more First Order, no more offical Jedi but tons of force users. Now pretend the skywalkers dont' exist, find an interesting corner of Lore and don't mention anything from the 9 films, and give us some clean simple space adventures.
 
2021-11-30 9:28:42 AM  

saintstryfe: Honestly, the end of RoS gives an ok starting off base - the New Republic is crippled, no more First Order, no more offical Jedi but tons of force users. Now pretend the skywalkers dont' exist, find an interesting corner of Lore and don't mention anything from the 9 films, and give us some clean simple space adventures.


This! It really started to feel like fan fic with the prequels, what with R2 being there, and Lil Darth making C3P0, and Lil Boba, and HEY LOOK! LIL GREEDO! It made the universe feel tiny. Like someone mentioned upthread, every movie kept feeling the need to tie back in to the stories of the same dozen frickin characters.

I want to see a hard boiled detective on Coruscant solving a murder, or settlers starting anew on some far flung planet. Just anything other than space wizards and rebels saving the galaxy from planet destroying base thingee number 2846.
 
2021-11-30 9:33:21 AM  

xalres: I want to see a hard boiled detective on Coruscant solving a murder, or settlers starting anew on some far flung planet.


Me too. These are both terrific ideas!

Star Trek could do these as well.
 
2021-11-30 9:36:21 AM  

EdgeRunner: When it comes to the Star Wars franchise, the movies are considered the sacred texts. Even though Star Wars sprawls into every medium, there's a level of scriptural reverence for the film trilogies that extends to how they're marketed. A Star Wars "Episode" isn't just a movie; it's an event, in a way virtually nothing else is these days.

Did this guy fall into a coma right after ROTJ came out, woke up last week, and hasn't brushed up on current news? Star Wars is still a popular franchise, but the movies have slipped pretty hard in their pop culture ranking. The MCU brings the event films nowadays. Star Wars is roughly on par with the Pirates of the Caribbean series, where each new movie is pretty much guaranteed to make money, but they don't hold the general public's attention for very long. As for "reverence", most fans decided back when the prequels came out that it was perfectly okay to pick favorites and ignore the rest.

/and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!


When the Star Wars trilogy was first released, there was noting even close to it in terms of capturing the public's imagination.  It was a gold standard.  Lightning in a bottle.

Today, there are tons of franchises out there trying and often succeeding with the same formula.  Most recently, the MCU of course, but the idea of a big blockbuster trilogy is nothing unique.  To excel, Star Wars has to find that certain something that captures people's imagination.  Comic book movies work because they have a built in fan base and decades of quality material to draw from.  The younger fan base just expects these kinds of movies as a matter of course, and older fans remember all the crappy adaptations that came before and revel in these movies finally being done right.

Basically, no one, not even Disney, can ever recapture what Star Wars was.  But it's no excuse not to put together movies with coherent stories, believable characters, and plausible outcomes.
 
2021-11-30 9:38:22 AM  

EdgeRunner: WilderKWight: EdgeRunner: /and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!

That is literally the only way they could get me to like Mara Jade.

If (and personally I think it's more of a when) they bring back Mara Jade, I expect the character will be so thoroughly retooled that the only traits she'll keep are the red hair, the Jedi skills, and the bad assery. Beyond that, her personality and backstory could be absolutely anything.

I wouldn't put it past them to retcon her into being Boba Fett's abandoned daughter. It plays into the de rigueur family drama every major SW character has to have, gives her a reason to pop up in both the Fett show and the Mandalorian, and she could even get tasked to take over Baby Yoda's training (any excuse will do for why Luke was suddenly too busy and needed to hand him off). And now you don't just have fan favorite Mara Jade making appearances, but also an excuse for Grogu to keep dropping by to remind everyone how much they need to keep buying toys of him.

FYI Disney, I'm available for script consults, and I promise my suggestions will always keep the true magic of Star Wars in mind: the merchandizing!


I think a more likely thing would be for Mara to be one of the Jedi Knights or Padawans that goes into hiding after Order 66. A series about her evading Inquisitors could be interesting. Again, without any ties to Skywalker or any of that "Hey farmboy!" shiat that made her so annoying to read. It could be a story about how she eventually gets captured by the Second Sister, who senses Mara's very strong in the Force and brings her before the Emperor instead of executing her. He decides to make her his Hand-- His personal assassin-- and puts her through terrible trials and training to bend her will.

The next season would be Mara doing his bidding through the years. We see her assassinating targets and being loyal to Sidious. A few missions where we, as the audience, don't want to root for her because she's clearly the villain, but can't help it because she's being such a bad-ass. She is assigned to kill Mon Mothma but ends up failing, though the OT heroes never know she was ever there.

At the end of that season, the Galactic Civil War comes to an end. The Emperor is (seemingly) dead and Mara finds herself without a master, without any goals of her own (because Sidious never intended her to survive longer than him), and without a home (she lived in the Emperor's Palace on Coruscant, and doesn't dare go back). She decides to get revenge against Skywalker for killing Palpatine and leaving her with nothing.

Along the way trying to track Luke in the post-war era, she runs into Ahsoka who vaguely remembers her and the two fight. Mara's no match for Ahsoka, though. Mara's trained and skilled in espionage and no-contact assassinations, not straight fights with a powerful Force-wielding foe. Ahsoka overpowers her and opts to disarm her and try to talk. Jade's smart enough to listen.

And thus begins Mara Jade's redemption. She will never be a Jedi, but she need not embrace the Dark Side either. Ahsoka shows her she can find her own path both in life and in the Force.

In a later tale we find out that Mara Jade dies when she seeks out the cloned Sidious in the First Order era and he destroys her to steal her power and life force in anticipation of Kylo Ren's arrival. You don't get away scot-free when you work for the Dark Side. There's always, eventually, a price.
 
2021-11-30 9:42:27 AM  

xalres: HEY LOOK! LIL GREEDO


That was not Greedo. His name was Wald. Just because he's the same species doesn't mean he's the same guy.
 
2021-11-30 9:43:30 AM  
Fine by me, the Star Wars universe works better on series format anyway.
 
2021-11-30 9:44:56 AM  

inglixthemad: WilderKWight: You're ignoring that she was raised by a paranoid, psychotic, delusional, no-nonsense, everyone's-expendable-for-the-cause fr​eedom fighter like Saw who instilled those virtues in her. When we meet her, she's nobody's friend and has very little sentiment for her father, but when given the opportunity to find him and reconnect, to find out why he sent her away, she takes it.

You're mistaking her curiosity and need for closure for sentiment. She loved her father-- or the memories she had of her father-- but she was also very much Saw's ward and was therefore not as driven by the family connection as you seem to think. In fact, once her dad's dead she moves on pretty handily, spending more time being angry that he died before she could get her answers than sad that she lost him.

That's not bad writing. That's you not paying attention.

Yeah, that's why she falls to her knees blah blah blah. This is you wanting the movie to be better than it was in reality.

Look at it this way, it wasn't really any worse than what Lucas wrote. Rogue One was also miles better than Solo. Of course that second one is a pretty low bar to step over since Solo looked like it was written by students.


The problem with R1 is that the characters were paper thin so when they died you didn't care. Also it tries to tie right into the original and by doing so it actually farks up continuity.
 
2021-11-30 9:46:23 AM  

xalres: saintstryfe: Honestly, the end of RoS gives an ok starting off base - the New Republic is crippled, no more First Order, no more offical Jedi but tons of force users. Now pretend the skywalkers dont' exist, find an interesting corner of Lore and don't mention anything from the 9 films, and give us some clean simple space adventures.

This! It really started to feel like fan fic with the prequels, what with R2 being there, and Lil Darth making C3P0, and Lil Boba, and HEY LOOK! LIL GREEDO! It made the universe feel tiny. Like someone mentioned upthread, every movie kept feeling the need to tie back in to the stories of the same dozen frickin characters.

I want to see a hard boiled detective on Coruscant solving a murder, or settlers starting anew on some far flung planet. Just anything other than space wizards and rebels saving the galaxy from planet destroying base thingee number 2846.


Yeah, it should be instructive that the most successful live action Star Wars projects produced in the 21st century have been "Rogue One" and "The Mandalorian," the two with the fewest original trilogy characters in them.  It's a big galaxy out there, go explore it.  Don't hamstring yourself by trying to shoehorn everything into the original trilogy's space.  It also means you don't have to worry about a lot of the many and varied preconceived notions your audience has been building up about the original trilogy since 1979.  And if you know you're going to be doing a multi-movie story arc, have a plan for the whole thing before you start production on the first film.
 
2021-11-30 9:48:28 AM  

WilderKWight: xalres: HEY LOOK! LIL GREEDO

That was not Greedo. His name was Wald. Just because he's the same species doesn't mean he's the same guy.


Greedo was in a deleted scene.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gree​d​o#Appearances
 
2021-11-30 9:56:11 AM  

WilderKWight: xalres: HEY LOOK! LIL GREEDO

That was not Greedo. His name was Wald. Just because he's the same species doesn't mean he's the same guy.


You're right. It was a deleted scene I was thinking of.

The Phantom Menace Deleted Scene (Anakin Fights Greedo)
Youtube F-SHGR27UQM

Farkin' Lucas.
 
2021-11-30 9:58:31 AM  

EdgeRunner: When it comes to the Star Wars franchise, the movies are considered the sacred texts. Even though Star Wars sprawls into every medium, there's a level of scriptural reverence for the film trilogies that extends to how they're marketed. A Star Wars "Episode" isn't just a movie; it's an event, in a way virtually nothing else is these days.

Did this guy fall into a coma right after ROTJ came out, woke up last week, and hasn't brushed up on current news? Star Wars is still a popular franchise, but the movies have slipped pretty hard in their pop culture ranking. The MCU brings the event films nowadays. Star Wars is roughly on par with the Pirates of the Caribbean series, where each new movie is pretty much guaranteed to make money, but they don't hold the general public's attention for very long. As for "reverence", most fans decided back when the prequels came out that it was perfectly okay to pick favorites and ignore the rest.

/and if Disney would wise up and revisit the idea of a new POTC run with Karen Gillan as the lead, I'd be looking forward to that far more than another Star Wars flick. We want the redhead!


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 9:59:33 AM  
When your new and shiatty movies render the plot of the original trilogy (that people liked) nonsensical, you have completely screwed the pooch.

All you had to do to blow up that lumbering Death Star is point an asteroid with a hyperdrive at it.

Boom.  Movie over.
 
2021-11-30 10:01:58 AM  

inglixthemad: WilderKWight: You're ignoring that she was raised by a paranoid, psychotic, delusional, no-nonsense, everyone's-expendable-for-the-cause fr​eedom fighter like Saw who instilled those virtues in her. When we meet her, she's nobody's friend and has very little sentiment for her father, but when given the opportunity to find him and reconnect, to find out why he sent her away, she takes it.

You're mistaking her curiosity and need for closure for sentiment. She loved her father-- or the memories she had of her father-- but she was also very much Saw's ward and was therefore not as driven by the family connection as you seem to think. In fact, once her dad's dead she moves on pretty handily, spending more time being angry that he died before she could get her answers than sad that she lost him.

That's not bad writing. That's you not paying attention.

Yeah, that's why she falls to her knees blah blah blah. This is you wanting the movie to be better than it was in reality.

Look at it this way, it wasn't really any worse than what Lucas wrote. Rogue One was also miles better than Solo. Of course that second one is a pretty low bar to step over since Solo looked like it was written by students.


I always found Erzo's breakdown over her dad to be a little weird. Especially after the canon prequel novel Catalyst was released. Her parents were just, wow, two irresponsible jag-offs.
Galen was an idiot who cared more about his scientific research (which led to all the misery and death for billions of people) than his family. And the wife just cared about riding his cock than her own kid. She needlessly left her kid an orphan when she could have gone into hiding with. Horrible people.
 
2021-11-30 10:09:19 AM  

Great_Milenko: Basically, no one, not even Disney, can ever recapture what Star Wars was. But it's no excuse not to put together movies with coherent stories, believable characters, and plausible outcomes.


Except they did. With the MCU, they've actually exceeded it. Revenge of the Sith and Rise of Skywalker made money, sure, but the anticipation for those movies was in no way comparable for the excitement leading up to Infinity War and the absolute desperate need to see Endgame. And even after that, reaching what should have been the grand final crescendo of the entire franchise, we still want more. Spider-Man: No Way Home features one of the most oversaturated movie heroes of recent decades, but the MCU connection has people salivating for its release. By contrast, it was only a few short years after ROTJ came out that people started forgetting about Star Wars, and it wasn't uncommon during the late 80s and early 90s to meet people who'd never seen the movies and didn't know the characters. Before chancing his time and money on a brand new trilogy, Lucas put out the Special Editions not just to update the effects and recut some scenes, but to gauge how much interest anyone still had in the franchise as a whole. Annnnd then he kinda crapped the bed, inflicting a wound that the series has never fully recovered from. Totally didn't help when Disney dribbled salt on it and started sanding away at the edges, either.

So yeah, Star Wars was an amazing phenomenon many decades ago back in the 1970s and very early 80s, but it wasn't the massive international phenomenon that the MCU has been and remained for several decades running, nor does it have anywhere near the output. Whether you like the Marvel movies or not, there's no denying that they've built something incomparable to any film series that's ever existed before.
 
2021-11-30 10:19:51 AM  
This article is making a lot of assumptions, particularly about Taika's movie.  That's not even supposed to come out until 2026.  The last time someone asked him about it, he said the script was in progress.  Lucasfilm still has a movie slated for 2023, it just appears that Rogue Squadron might get delayed a year so it's possible we get a different movie announced for 2023 (there are some rumors but I don't want to dabble in those).

The idea that every Star Wars movie has to be an eventis what's killing it.
 
2021-11-30 10:20:10 AM  
They've sort of painted themselves into a corner. Everything in the whole goddamned galaxy revolves around the Skywalker and Palpatine clans, plus a giant monolithic facist regime with limitless resources. Well, all the characters are dead, the Jedi are extinct, and the galaxy's resources are all dried up. What to do if there's no giant space station for a plucky yet unlikely nobody to blow up?

I suppose there are always trade disputes to resolve and senate bureaucracies to debate.
 
2021-11-30 10:22:59 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: The new trilogy wiped out the New Republic, aborted the new Jedi Order, and treated the rest of the galaxy outside of the Resistance and First Order like it didn't exist. They've pretty much scorched the earth and salted the ground for any stories going forward.

What are they going to do? The New New Republic and New New Jedi Order? Oh here's Empire 3.0 led by Darth Redundas.

They've have to do a lot of world building with the series to get things back on track.


yeah, J.J. had no idea how Sith Work. The Death Star wasn't built to wipe out planets, it was built to instill fear that your planet COULD be wiped out. There was 0 reason to wipe a galaxies worth of planets.

Sith work from the inside, and probably would be infiltrated into the governance of the New Republic already.
 
2021-11-30 10:25:58 AM  
It's a mercy killing.
 
2021-11-30 10:27:59 AM  

The_EliteOne: Copperbelly watersnake: The new trilogy wiped out the New Republic, aborted the new Jedi Order, and treated the rest of the galaxy outside of the Resistance and First Order like it didn't exist. They've pretty much scorched the earth and salted the ground for any stories going forward.

What are they going to do? The New New Republic and New New Jedi Order? Oh here's Empire 3.0 led by Darth Redundas.

They've have to do a lot of world building with the series to get things back on track.

yeah, J.J. had no idea how Sith Work. The Death Star wasn't built to wipe out planets, it was built to instill fear that your planet COULD be wiped out. There was 0 reason to wipe a galaxies worth of planets.

Sith work from the inside, and probably would be infiltrated into the governance of the New Republic already.


JJ does the same thing wherever he goes to shiat on IP. Doesn't do the homework and ends misusing (thereby destroying) established concepts.
 
2021-11-30 10:29:32 AM  
In early November, Disney removed the previously announced Rogue Squadron film from the company's release schedule due to scheduling conflicts from director Patty Jenkins, who has two unrelated films set to begin production soon. Other film projects that are theoretically still on the table seem to have evaporated: a movie from Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige, a trilogy from The Last Jedi's Rian Johnson, as well as a film from Thor: Ragnarok's Taika Waititi.

IMO, this is the problem with the sequels and other standoff movies that Disney has produced.

There is plenty of valid criticism about Lucas as a writer and director. But he was always there to keep things in line. Even when he turned over the movies to other directors, he was always there as the "old man on the mountain" to keep the narrative straight and have the directors build the world he wanted to create. Disney doesn't have that; today we have Kennedy overseeing the IP, and all she gives a fark about is the bottom line. She has no vested interest in keeping a coherent narrative, world building, or storytelling. All she (and Disney) care about is money and how much they can squeeze out of each property they acquire. So, they go out and get these flavor of the month directors (that appeal to different segments of the population) to come in and "put their stamp" on Star Wars, and you end up with the farking mess that we've gotten so far.

When Lucas had Irvin Kershner direct Empire Strikes Back, what we got was a "Star Wars movie by Irvin Kershner." When Kennedy turned over TLJ to Rian Johnson, what we got was a "Rian Johnson Star Wars movie." There is a huge difference between those two things and that is why the sequel movies farking suck.
 
2021-11-30 10:31:06 AM  

JerkStore: They've sort of painted themselves into a corner. Everything in the whole goddamned galaxy revolves around the Skywalker and Palpatine clans, plus a giant monolithic facist regime with limitless resources. Well, all the characters are dead, the Jedi are extinct, and the galaxy's resources are all dried up. What to do if there's no giant space station for a plucky yet unlikely nobody to blow up?

I suppose there are always trade disputes to resolve and senate bureaucracies to debate.


They really haven't painted themselves into a corner, though. There's no end to the stories they could tell. They're only in that corner because they're afraid to leave it. Despite all the clueless memes about the fanbase wanting to stay forever mired in the past, the average fan always wants something fresh and new. It's the investors who despise innovation. They paid for a ready-made IP and they want to bleed it dry.
 
2021-11-30 10:36:33 AM  
Solo was a flop.

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-11-30 10:39:15 AM  

inglixthemad: Rogue One fails Screenwriter 101.


Rogue One fails basic military tactics.

I get wanting a Dirty Dozen Star Wars, but the entire ground assault made zero sense.

They could have just stayed in disguise to get where they wanted. It isn't like a platoon of storm troopers aren't going to check IDs. 

Although watching the blockade runner/hammerhead do hammerhead stuff was amazing. I think TCW made it make sense that the Mon Cal are great tacticians because they're used to thinking in 3 dimensions due to their aquatic homeland.
 
2021-11-30 10:41:36 AM  

Dick Gozinya: In early November, Disney removed the previously announced Rogue Squadron film from the company's release schedule due to scheduling conflicts from director Patty Jenkins, who has two unrelated films set to begin production soon. Other film projects that are theoretically still on the table seem to have evaporated: a movie from Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige, a trilogy from The Last Jedi's Rian Johnson, as well as a film from Thor: Ragnarok's Taika Waititi.

IMO, this is the problem with the sequels and other standoff movies that Disney has produced.

There is plenty of valid criticism about Lucas as a writer and director. But he was always there to keep things in line. Even when he turned over the movies to other directors, he was always there as the "old man on the mountain" to keep the narrative straight and have the directors build the world he wanted to create. Disney doesn't have that; today we have Kennedy overseeing the IP, and all she gives a fark about is the bottom line. She has no vested interest in keeping a coherent narrative, world building, or storytelling. All she (and Disney) care about is money and how much they can squeeze out of each property they acquire. So, they go out and get these flavor of the month directors (that appeal to different segments of the population) to come in and "put their stamp" on Star Wars, and you end up with the farking mess that we've gotten so far.

When Lucas had Irvin Kershner direct Empire Strikes Back, what we got was a "Star Wars movie by Irvin Kershner." When Kennedy turned over TLJ to Rian Johnson, what we got was a "Rian Johnson Star Wars movie." There is a huge difference between those two things and that is why the sequel movies farking suck.


First of all, Uncle George didn't have to sell the IP. NOBODY FORCED HIM. You got that? NOBODY FORCED LUCAS TO SELL THE IP. That's entirely on HIM.
Secondly, Disney aint running a charity, they're in the business of making money first. Did the sequels suck? Ooooh yeah. Deal with it and look to the future, or stop watching before you have an  aneurism.
 
2021-11-30 10:43:46 AM  

Dick Gozinya: In early November, Disney removed the previously announced Rogue Squadron film from the company's release schedule due to scheduling conflicts from director Patty Jenkins, who has two unrelated films set to begin production soon. Other film projects that are theoretically still on the table seem to have evaporated: a movie from Marvel Studios' Kevin Feige, a trilogy from The Last Jedi's Rian Johnson, as well as a film from Thor: Ragnarok's Taika Waititi.

IMO, this is the problem with the sequels and other standoff movies that Disney has produced.

There is plenty of valid criticism about Lucas as a writer and director. But he was always there to keep things in line. Even when he turned over the movies to other directors, he was always there as the "old man on the mountain" to keep the narrative straight and have the directors build the world he wanted to create. Disney doesn't have that; today we have Kennedy overseeing the IP, and all she gives a fark about is the bottom line. She has no vested interest in keeping a coherent narrative, world building, or storytelling. All she (and Disney) care about is money and how much they can squeeze out of each property they acquire. So, they go out and get these flavor of the month directors (that appeal to different segments of the population) to come in and "put their stamp" on Star Wars, and you end up with the farking mess that we've gotten so far.

When Lucas had Irvin Kershner direct Empire Strikes Back, what we got was a "Star Wars movie by Irvin Kershner." When Kennedy turned over TLJ to Rian Johnson, what we got was a "Rian Johnson Star Wars movie." There is a huge difference between those two things and that is why the sequel movies farking suck.


One of the reasons the Mandalorian felt so much more in tune with "real" Star Wars is Lucas keeps being quietly brought in as an occasional consultant. Some fair weather fans keep insisting he's lost his touch or maybe he never had it and he just took credit for other people's work, but Star Wars is his baby and it falters without his input.

/and yes, it falters when it's just his input too. He's a visionary, but he also needs a lot of help shaping his ideas..
 
2021-11-30 10:45:41 AM  

EvilEgg: bostonguy: bostonguy: There has not been a good "Star Wars" movie since ROTJ.

My bad. "Except for Rogue One."

All you have to do is take the greatest Medieval, Fantasy or Western stories and add the words "In Space" and boom, great Star Wars film.
I could rewrite LOTR as a Star Wars trilogy inside a week and would be better than the drek they've produced.


Introducing the SpaJedi Western!

The Good, The Bad and The Jedi
For a Few Wookies More
UnForcegiven

/keep it going!
 
Displayed 50 of 99 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking




On Twitter


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.