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(News 5 Cleveland)   School district releases personal info about their entire senior class to the public, including grades and test scores; is about to learn about a federal law called FERPA   (news5cleveland.com) divider line
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2021-11-30 4:34:50 AM  
Hahaha. And they teach people. So, bright.
 
2021-11-30 4:38:34 AM  
FERPA DERPA FERPA DERPA FERPA DERPA HAY!!!

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2021-11-30 4:43:13 AM  
Students have been told that disclosing the information in these documents violates the Student Code of Conduct and will subject them to discipline.

Good luck with that.
 
2021-11-30 4:45:47 AM  
"As a result, the district immediately notified the students and parents directly affected by the mistake and is working with them to reset their Google Mail passwords to prevent further unauthorized access."

Lol, wut?  How the fark does that help anyone in this situation?  Some dumbass sent all of the student's personal information to everyone.  Unless their school records for some unfathomable reason contained their e-mail addresses and passwords this won't do jack shiat.
 
2021-11-30 4:54:57 AM  
You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.
 
2021-11-30 4:58:28 AM  

Neondistraction: "As a result, the district immediately notified the students and parents directly affected by the mistake and is working with them to reset their Google Mail passwords to prevent further unauthorized access."

Lol, wut?  How the fark does that help anyone in this situation?  Some dumbass sent all of the student's personal information to everyone.  Unless their school records for some unfathomable reason contained their e-mail addresses and passwords this won't do jack shiat.


It'll make a few parents slightly less angry because they see the school doing something, even if it's pointless.  A lot of damage control is maintaining the appearance of doing everything you can to fix it.

In other words, sometimes it actually helps in a minor way to lock the doors on a barn long after the horse is gone.
 
2021-11-30 5:07:58 AM  
Some secretary in the Principal's office is in serious trouble. If they windup needing a goat, she's it.
 
2021-11-30 5:16:55 AM  

planes: Some secretary in the Principal's office is in serious trouble. If they windup needing a goat, she's it.


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GRACE!!!!
 
2021-11-30 5:22:20 AM  
This probably happens because schools have really old hardware/software.
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2021-11-30 5:35:35 AM  
My wife and I happen to live in Bay Village where this happened and have a 5th grader. We use an online portal called PowerSchool for this stuff. I don't know any families with a senior. I'm wondering why they had to send an email in the first place when we can look this stuff up ourselves.
 
2021-11-30 6:07:50 AM  
Lawsuits about who should be valedictorian start in 3, 2, ...
 
2021-11-30 6:14:25 AM  

Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.


That probably wouldn't have mattered in this case, as it seems that the person who needed to have that access was attempting to send each file individually, but they accidentally sent the entire set to everyone instead of their individual sets individually.
 
2021-11-30 6:18:58 AM  

Neondistraction: "As a result, the district immediately notified the students and parents directly affected by the mistake and is working with them to reset their Google Mail passwords to prevent further unauthorized access."

Lol, wut?  How the fark does that help anyone in this situation?  Some dumbass sent all of the student's personal information to everyone.  Unless their school records for some unfathomable reason contained their e-mail addresses and passwords this won't do jack shiat.


I'll bet the district used their student ID numbers as passwords.

Also, this is pretty weak sauce as far as data leaks go. Although I suppose the school might be committing HIPPA violations.
 
2021-11-30 6:28:25 AM  
Just send out another email to everyone asking them to send the data back. Problem solved.
 
2021-11-30 6:33:26 AM  

fzumrk: Just send out another email to everyone asking them to send the data back. Problem solved.


The email recall tool also works

/No it doesn't
 
2021-11-30 6:43:01 AM  
There's also the Buckley Amendment to FERPA, which allows a student to request that their records be locked down completely.

(FERPA has a list of what information is allowed to be given out in student registries and such)

Asking for this extra level of privacy can be a way to find out if the school's record systems correctly handle FERPA, but it can also make other things a bit more difficult.

/wishes I didn't know about this
//had a stalker during undergrad
///who had access to the university's student records system
 
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2021-11-30 6:48:48 AM  
The version of FERPA I remember, which may have been amended, only prohibited policies of disclosure of protected information. It did not penalize isolated accidental incidents of disclosure. It was enforced by the federal government and not by private lawsuits so you didn't hit the jackpot if everybody found out you were too stupid to pass basket weaving 101. I remember talking to a student whose thesis argued that students should be able to sue over FERPA violations.
 
2021-11-30 6:49:28 AM  

Brofar: Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.

That probably wouldn't have mattered in this case, as it seems that the person who needed to have that access was attempting to send each file individually, but they accidentally sent the entire set to everyone instead of their individual sets individually.


No it mattered because that more sensitive info wasn't in the file to begin with.  The info leaked is plenty bad, but adding financial info or SSNs to the mix would've made it plenty worse.

/Used to be an EKMS and security manager on a Navy ship.  Paranoia is an asset in that line of work.
 
2021-11-30 6:52:34 AM  

waxbeans: Hahaha. And they teach people. So, bright.


Administration handles records. Teachers tell you that you don't need a comma between "So" and "bright".
 
2021-11-30 7:10:53 AM  

Theeng: Brofar: Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.

That probably wouldn't have mattered in this case, as it seems that the person who needed to have that access was attempting to send each file individually, but they accidentally sent the entire set to everyone instead of their individual sets individually.

No it mattered because that more sensitive info wasn't in the file to begin with.  The info leaked is plenty bad, but adding financial info or SSNs to the mix would've made it plenty worse.

/Used to be an EKMS and security manager on a Navy ship.  Paranoia is an asset in that line of work.


Oh, you're just pointing out an imaginary point. Then in theory yes.
 
2021-11-30 7:59:02 AM  
School would be better if all grades were publicly posted for all to see. The smart should be rewarded, the not smart get handed brooms.

One of the biggest problems with American society is the inability to grasp the fact that intelligence is better than ignorance, and intelligent people should be making major decisions while the unintelligent fark off for all I care.
 
2021-11-30 8:01:18 AM  
FERPA is actually a really good law. I've had plenty of my (college) students' parents call demanding to know chapter and verse of little Johnny's schedule and grades, because -- and you'd be amazed how often they just say this out loud -- THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT.

But FERPA doesn't care who's picking up the check, which is exactly how it should be.

Of course, the student can waive that right for individual people, and our system has an easy way for them to do that in advance for their parents. So sometimes I'll be on the phone with Mommy and the screen will be telling me I'm allowed to share. But, aha, how do I know you are in fact Johnny's mom? You could be anyone's mom! Well, there's a cumbersome procedure we can go through that involves me sending a code to the registered e-mail and calling you back at the registered phone number. That's usually too much hassle for them to bother with, because while they ARE panicked/pissed at the moment about some bad grade they think Johnny's getting, they're only "let me talk to your supervisor" mad, not "wait five minutes" mad.

One glorious time, though, I had a dad who was also a lawyer. He knew the law, he knew the policy, he had the waiver, he jumped through the hoops. Our conversation went something like this.

"Sir, I'm reluctant to talk about my students' performance, especially if they haven't specifically asked me to share details. Besides which, there's a federal law called FERPA, which--"

"I invoke my sacred FERPA waiver! Authorization Alpha-Niner-Bravo-Tango-Zulu..."

"Okay, you win."

"Now, tell me everything."

"Nah, I don't think it's a good idea."

"But we got past FERPA!"

"But I still don't want to, and I don't have to."

We went about twenty minutes on this point. Nothing in FERPA compels me to say anything; it just lets my school get sued if I blab to the wrong person. I'm sure he was a reasonably smart guy and to his credit he wasn't a jerk about it; he just couldn't believe that solving the bureaucratic puzzle wasn't enough.

I'm sure I had a point when I started typing all this up, but I can't remember it now. Please don't make fun of my failing mental state; that's a HIPAA violation.
 
2021-11-30 8:03:17 AM  

Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.


My apartment complex sent out an email to everyone without BCC-ing. During the pandemic.  For help with rent. So for months everyone saw the replies with the info for getting the help.
 
2021-11-30 8:05:17 AM  
Ferpa?
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2021-11-30 8:05:53 AM  

fzumrk: Just send out another email to everyone asking them to send the data back. Problem solved.


But. Make sure to bcc
 
2021-11-30 8:15:14 AM  
Ya gotta test your broadcast templates
 
2021-11-30 8:23:35 AM  
"The district has also directed everyone in possession of the erroneously-released documents to delete and/or destroy them immediately."

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2021-11-30 8:32:07 AM  

Neondistraction: "As a result, the district immediately notified the students and parents directly affected by the mistake and is working with them to reset their Google Mail passwords to prevent further unauthorized access."

Lol, wut?  How the fark does that help anyone in this situation?  Some dumbass sent all of the student's personal information to everyone.  Unless their school records for some unfathomable reason contained their e-mail addresses and passwords this won't do jack shiat.


It's the second part...

Students have been told that disclosing the information in these documents violates the Student Code of Conduct and will subject them to discipline.

School believe themselves all-powerful and have hereby declared that should this info get around, the students will be punished because they're the real criminals.
 
2021-11-30 8:41:58 AM  
Bay Village, Ohio =
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2021-11-30 8:43:28 AM  

waxbeans: Hahaha. And they teach people. So, bright.


No unit tests, no checks and balances, no signature sign-offs? Sounds like someone showed up to their "no show" public employee gig
 
2021-11-30 8:44:40 AM  
Bay Village is to Cleveland like the Upper-West-Side is to New York City.
 
2021-11-30 8:56:56 AM  

Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.


Hold your horses. That info is in next week's data drop.
 
2021-11-30 9:29:43 AM  

Theeng: You know, as stupid a mistake as this is, at least they didn't include the SSN or financial info.

This is a good example of why you limit sensitive info only to where it is needed, because eventually someonw is going ti fark up.


I once worked for a company that ad over 3500 stores in the USA and Mexico. They would post the schedule in the office at each store. The manager at each was supposed to 1...restrict anyone not a manager from entering said office and 2..mark out any info other than name and shifts. These sheets would have name address and ssi number on them. In the 100 or so stores I went into during my employment I saw regular employees going in and out of that office. Standing in there chatting etc. And the papers with all this info was posted on the wall just inside the office door for all to see.....complete with all that personal information.

I pointed this out to a higher up at a regional meeting and they acted like I was paranoid. Youre a freaking multi billion dollar company and you cant figure out how to make a schedule printable without peoples ssi etc on it? I was told that was how it had always been done since the first couple stores and it had never been an issue and they would never spend the money required to correct it.
 
2021-11-30 10:12:56 AM  
Reminds me of back in the way-before when we requested database specs from a customer (city gubmint, I think) and they emailed us the database.  400something megs of it which was a big chunk of data at the time.  I couldn't figure out why our spool file kept filling up over and over so I moved it to a bigger drive to see what would happen.  Eventually, that entire 400 meg behemoth plopped into being.  Took a while over our 128k ISDN tube.
 
2021-11-30 10:36:40 AM  
"The District has not experienced a breach of its technology infrastructure or systems," Interim Superintendent Char Shryock stated in the letter to parents. "This data breach was a result of human error."

Those two statements appear to contradict one another.
 
2021-11-30 10:49:00 AM  
 
2021-11-30 11:17:39 AM  
Yeah, you know how the ratio of IT to the rest of the company is supposed to be greater than 1:100? Most school districts have a ratio worse than 1:1000. They pay crap, there's no way to reward innovation, they won't invest in maintenance, training, or redundancy, and most of the district level admin astoundingly stupid at anything beyond attaching a document to their email. At the school level, they pay tech minded teachers a tiny stipend to do the work of a full IT team but don't give them any extra time during the day.

There was literally no need for them to send transcripts to students to begin with, and then they farked it up beyond all recognition by sending all the data sets to every senior. Now they're trying to bluff the parents and threaten the kids into silence. Because in a rich suburb, there couldn't possibly be one parent who makes their living at IT security, understand just exactly how bad they screwed the pooch, and is rubbing their hands gleefully at the thought of taking them to court.

If I were the district's counsel, I would be banging my head against a brick wall. It would hurt less.
 
2021-11-30 12:27:05 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: School would be better if all grades were publicly posted for all to see. The smart should be rewarded, the not smart get handed brooms.

One of the biggest problems with American society is the inability to grasp the fact that intelligence is better than ignorance, and intelligent people should be making major decisions while the unintelligent fark off for all I care.


You're just saying that because you want to fark off while the rest of us manage the important business.
 
2021-11-30 12:32:23 PM  

jtown: Reminds me of back in the way-before when we requested database specs from a customer (city gubmint, I think) and they emailed us the database.  400something megs of it which was a big chunk of data at the time.  I couldn't figure out why our spool file kept filling up over and over so I moved it to a bigger drive to see what would happen.  Eventually, that entire 400 meg behemoth plopped into being.  Took a while over our 128k ISDN tube.


That kind of stuff still happens. At my last contract a development supervisor sent out a copy of a production database to several companies as part of an RFP to upgrade the system. The system in question was used to process financial data for credit, loans, and payments and included all those customer numbers you're supposed to keep secret.
 
2021-11-30 1:21:00 PM  

Bathtub Cynic: School would be better if all grades were publicly posted for all to see. The smart should be rewarded, the not smart get handed brooms.

One of the biggest problems with American society is the inability to grasp the fact that intelligence is better than ignorance, and intelligent people should be making major decisions while the unintelligent fark off for all I care.


And yet you graduated
 
2021-11-30 3:12:48 PM  

quo vadimus: Wow. Never knew this:

"Financial penalties are to be imposed only if, after issuing a notice of violation and a plan of correction, the Department determines that the school will refuse to comply with FERPA voluntarily in the future. Because the FERPA penalty amounts to a total revocation of eligibility to receive federal education funding, to date, the Department has never imposed a financial penalty on anyone for a FERPA violation. ."

So, they basically just get to say "whoopsie!"

Why the fark do I have to sit through a lecture every year on this pointless law?


Sounds like some politician(s) succeed in gutting the law to keep it from doing what it was meant to or else it was a horribly written law to begin with.
 
2021-11-30 11:27:29 PM  
Since Mrs. Nuran works with student data she has to be very familiar with FERPA issues. Typically the aim is to get compliance since there are very few cases where schools maliciously release or change student records. The threat of fines is there, but fixing the problem is more effectively accomplished by identifying it, changing procedures to make it less likely, and sometimes by getting rid of an idiot.

Violations are reported to the affected families, and if there has been damage they can sue for more than the fine would come to.
 
2021-12-01 2:14:38 AM  
So, embarrassing for little Bobby Tables?
 
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