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(Some Guy)   Perhaps the reason why some companies seem unable to hire people and/or keep them employed is because they lie about their starting wage. But that's crazy, because businesses *never* lie   (eoinhiggins.substack.com) divider line
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2021-11-29 7:31:42 PM  
If the first thing a company does is lie to you, it shouldn't be hard to figure out how it's going to go.
 
2021-11-29 8:00:59 PM  
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Hey, you can trust this guy!
 
2021-11-29 8:05:27 PM  
The uppity poors are not willing to work for the substandard wages that they deserve and sole proprietor's trophy wife is trading in her 'S' class and damned if she's going to lease an 'E' class when she was supposed to upgrade to the Taycan.

farking Socialists...
 
2021-11-29 8:51:16 PM  
"They said if they gave me that they would have to give everyone that"

JFC, that's literally the entire f*cking point, and it's why Congress needs to raise the minimum wage al-f*cking-ready.

I'm so over the government trying to tell any of us what to do. F*ck you for telling us we need to get back to work when you wont ensure we will get paid enough to live. F*ck you for telling us we need to make more babies when you won't give us parental leave. F*ck you for telling us to limit our water use while you let Nestlé literally steal our water from us. F*ck you.
 
2021-11-29 8:59:22 PM  
Oh. I've had a few of these interviews before. They're tons of fun 🙄
 
2021-11-29 9:01:13 PM  

austerity101: "They said if they gave me that they would have to give everyone that"

JFC, that's literally the entire f*cking point, and it's why Congress needs to raise the minimum wage al-f*cking-ready.

I'm so over the government trying to tell any of us what to do. F*ck you for telling us we need to get back to work when you wont ensure we will get paid enough to live. F*ck you for telling us we need to make more babies when you won't give us parental leave. F*ck you for telling us to limit our water use while you let Nestlé literally steal our water from us. F*ck you.


It sounds like you are just now coming to the realization that fully one-half of our government isn't willing to do its job therefore hamstringing the half that is actually showing up for work.
 
2021-11-29 9:04:15 PM  
No matter how much experience you have, they always try to convince you that you are junior level.
 
2021-11-29 9:18:45 PM  
I joined a company where I was 'accidentally' hired to the wrong position. But the company was generous enough to offer me a demotion and a paycut if I wanted to stay on board and do the same job. Nice folk out there, know the laws.
 
2021-11-29 9:44:29 PM  
""I quit after two weeks"

This is where there has to be false economy in this practice. Even at low skill jobs there's cost associated with advertising and interviewing, particularly when you have to interview a ton of people because you're lying about the wage, there's costs associated with onboarding someone and getting them onto payroll, there's costs associated with training and initial low productivity, and while you're understaffed there's costs associated with reduced capacity.

And then after you incur all that cost to find someone who'll work for $3/hour less than advertising they quit a couple weeks later because you made sure you're only hiring people who need a stopgap.
 
2021-11-29 10:09:38 PM  

rummonkey: austerity101: "They said if they gave me that they would have to give everyone that"

JFC, that's literally the entire f*cking point, and it's why Congress needs to raise the minimum wage al-f*cking-ready.

I'm so over the government trying to tell any of us what to do. F*ck you for telling us we need to get back to work when you wont ensure we will get paid enough to live. F*ck you for telling us we need to make more babies when you won't give us parental leave. F*ck you for telling us to limit our water use while you let Nestlé literally steal our water from us. F*ck you.

It sounds like you are just now coming to the realization that fully one-half of our government isn't willing to do its job therefore hamstringing the half that is actually showing up for work.


One half wants to bring back indentured servitude, one quarter has "concerns" about raising the minimum wage, and the last quarter wants to help American workers.
 
2021-11-29 10:10:31 PM  
Lauren, a 23-year-old from Ohio, said that she answered an ad promising "up to $14 an hour" but was started at $11 an hour.

Always beware of "up to". Anything qualifies as "up to". In this case, $11 is technically within the "up to $14" range.
 
2021-11-29 10:30:21 PM  
Not new and not just wages.  A friend took a job because of specific product he would be working on.  First day, he gets briefed on a different project. "We had to give the other project to [] or he said he'd quit."  Steve grabbed a piece of paper off the manager's desk and wrote out a two week notice to quit.  Since he had the original project in his hiring letter, the company gave him two weeks pay and he walked.
 
2021-11-29 11:07:13 PM  
Had that issue with a small bank a few years back.

Job posting listed starting salary at 84k-92k.

Got offered the job.  At 48k.
 
2021-11-29 11:25:48 PM  
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2021-11-29 11:37:30 PM  
Employee beware.
 
2021-11-29 11:54:00 PM  
Long ago I had a job where I was promised an equipment allowance for using my own gear. After a while they admitted I would not get it. I checked the law and it said employees who had to use their own gear must be paid at least 2x minimum wage. I called the California Labor Board or whatever and they said yes, that's the law but we don't enforce anything, you have to convince your boss to follow the law. Lucky for me the manager was decent and I got the raise. They'd have saved a lot of money if they gave me $50/month for gear.
 
2021-11-29 11:57:39 PM  

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As often as not, the "5 year required entry-level position" is a sign of an employer with absolute garbage for internal mobility. Which is a lot of them. When you've got 6 people with an "entry level" title who, on average, have been with your organization for 6 years and so (naturally) have tons of experience... (and need it, what with all the vacant positions they're covering for)... it's real hard to hire a fresh-outta-the-dorms total novice into that same category for roughly the same pay.
 
2021-11-30 1:03:19 AM  
I have an unhealthy fascination with r/antiwork. I know a bunch of it is staged/faked, but much of it is in line with my own experiences in the shiatfest we call "working for a living". First I tend to get angry at the companies and management being total douchenozzles, then I get excited when some underpaid, overworked, mistreated Jack-or-Jill tells the boss to shove it up their ass (or uses the companies own policies to fark them, etc.), then I get sad when I realize that the hero is probably now out of a job and going through the soul-crushing meat grinder of job-hunting.

Corporate greed is getting really out of hand. I saw this posted recently:
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and it struck me as sadly true. I really wonder when someone is gonna figure out a way to set up gofundme packages for the families of terminally ill patients willing to put the fear of god in these corporate assholes with some good old ultraviolence. At this point I think it might be the only thing that can fix things. Fund a gofundme with a few million or more, make a list of the worst of the worst companies to work for and their executives, create a bounty list based on each executive's relative awfulness, and every time one of them gets offed the 'bounty' goes to the family of the corporate terrorist/hero. Is it murder for money? Yes... but it's only different than what these CEO jerks do every day in that it's direct violence with immediate consequences, not the nebulous "well, it might affect some workers negatively but we need to think of the poor shareholders!". If every CEO/CFO/COO had to worry about getting unsuspectingly murdered over their greed, they might end up being a lot less greedy.

/The above suggestion is not to be taken seriously
//Frat bro style: "Unless you're gonna do it!"
///Nah, I'm just kidding
 
2021-11-30 1:14:34 AM  
It's one of the reasons I'm leaving my current employer.

They flat out lied to me about the position. I'm not doing anything even remotely related to the job, and they're looking to move my team and I to a city roughly 45 minutes away from our test site (we're currently a 4-5 minute drive from there). So it's a harder commute, I spend a lot more time trying to get to our test site to work on things, and I lose an extra bit thanks to the city wage tax.

Management response - "if you don't like it, find another job, lol!"

So I did. Three weeks from that conversation I provided my notice. Now I'm getting the "where's your loyalty?" speeches from the same folks who thought it was fun to turn the screws to me simply because they thought they could, and because they were saving a buck or two to do so.  To save a buck or two they tried to lay me off during the pandemic, and well "that's business".  Well, so is this.

Funny how they don't like it when they're on the receiving end for a change.

Best part is that I'm dumb. I was loyal because of what we do. My HR interview going to be pretty simple: "you shouldn't have dared me to leave. I found out that I'm worth a LOT more to our competitors, and other companies, than you wanted me to realize."
 
2021-11-30 2:18:31 AM  

Target Builder: ""I quit after two weeks"

This is where there has to be false economy in this practice. Even at low skill jobs there's cost associated with advertising and interviewing, particularly when you have to interview a ton of people because you're lying about the wage, there's costs associated with onboarding someone and getting them onto payroll, there's costs associated with training and initial low productivity, and while you're understaffed there's costs associated with reduced capacity.

And then after you incur all that cost to find someone who'll work for $3/hour less than advertising they quit a couple weeks later because you made sure you're only hiring people who need a stopgap.


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My employer refuses to hire new people and when they do runs them off in 90 days and says that's why the rest of the minions need to work harder
 
2021-11-30 7:00:43 AM  
A lot of companies are playing the "No one wants to work" angle because they're receiving PPP funds.  A friend of mine was caught in a massive layoff at a company that is now advertising a lot of positions at 60% of their previous pay rate (think low six figure IT jobs) but not hiring anyone.  Instead, the company is farming out the work to Russians at 1/3 the pay rate (and probably 1/10 the quality) all while maintaining eligibility to collect PPP funds.
 
2021-11-30 7:35:13 AM  

Target Builder: ""I quit after two weeks"

This is where there has to be false economy in this practice. Even at low skill jobs there's cost associated with advertising and interviewing, particularly when you have to interview a ton of people because you're lying about the wage, there's costs associated with onboarding someone and getting them onto payroll, there's costs associated with training and initial low productivity, and while you're understaffed there's costs associated with reduced capacity.

And then after you incur all that cost to find someone who'll work for $3/hour less than advertising they quit a couple weeks later because you made sure you're only hiring people who need a stopgap.


It's estimated to be 30% of the annual salary to hire and train a new employee.
 
2021-11-30 9:04:50 AM  

adamatari: rummonkey: austerity101: "They said if they gave me that they would have to give everyone that"

JFC, that's literally the entire f*cking point, and it's why Congress needs to raise the minimum wage al-f*cking-ready.

I'm so over the government trying to tell any of us what to do. F*ck you for telling us we need to get back to work when you wont ensure we will get paid enough to live. F*ck you for telling us we need to make more babies when you won't give us parental leave. F*ck you for telling us to limit our water use while you let Nestlé literally steal our water from us. F*ck you.

It sounds like you are just now coming to the realization that fully one-half of our government isn't willing to do its job therefore hamstringing the half that is actually showing up for work.

One half wants to bring back indentured servitude, one quarter has "concerns" about raising the minimum wage, and the last quarter wants to help American workers.


Its not one half having those "concerns" it's two people; in a non-dysfunctional body they would mean nothing and the larger legislative body would be able to pass the legislation.
 
2021-11-30 9:48:19 AM  

rummonkey: Its not one half having those "concerns" it's two people; in a non-dysfunctional body they would mean nothing and the larger legislative body would be able to pass the legislation.


Sadly, no, it's not just the two.  They give the next tier of blue dogs some cover, but Tester or Angus King or Gary Peters or Maggie Hassan would start getting a lot of money to get in the way if somehow Manchin and Sinema were replaced with DSA card-holders.
 
2021-11-30 11:22:26 AM  

TheSubjunctive: rummonkey: Its not one half having those "concerns" it's two people; in a non-dysfunctional body they would mean nothing and the larger legislative body would be able to pass the legislation.

Sadly, no, it's not just the two.  They give the next tier of blue dogs some cover, but Tester or Angus King or Gary Peters or Maggie Hassan would start getting a lot of money to get in the way if somehow Manchin and Sinema were replaced with DSA card-holders.


So it basically IS two, it's just not necessarily any SPECIFIC two.

You don't have to bribe the entire House to protect your agenda, you just have to bribe enough swing voters to deadlock the vote.
 
2021-11-30 12:31:17 PM  

Chabash: Target Builder: ""I quit after two weeks"

This is where there has to be false economy in this practice. Even at low skill jobs there's cost associated with advertising and interviewing, particularly when you have to interview a ton of people because you're lying about the wage, there's costs associated with onboarding someone and getting them onto payroll, there's costs associated with training and initial low productivity, and while you're understaffed there's costs associated with reduced capacity.

And then after you incur all that cost to find someone who'll work for $3/hour less than advertising they quit a couple weeks later because you made sure you're only hiring people who need a stopgap.

It's estimated to be 30% of the annual salary to hire and train a new employee.


Hiring employees, retaining employees, and training employees fall under different silos of management at most companies.

The person responsible for hiring employees may benefit by hiring employees that quickly leave as it may allow him to hire more employees, boosting his metrics, and his bonus.
 
2021-11-30 1:54:22 PM  
Or the companies offer competitive wages, where the wages are competing against your bills
 
2021-11-30 4:41:20 PM  

akallen404: TheSubjunctive: rummonkey: Its not one half having those "concerns" it's two people; in a non-dysfunctional body they would mean nothing and the larger legislative body would be able to pass the legislation.

Sadly, no, it's not just the two.  They give the next tier of blue dogs some cover, but Tester or Angus King or Gary Peters or Maggie Hassan would start getting a lot of money to get in the way if somehow Manchin and Sinema were replaced with DSA card-holders.

So it basically IS two, it's just not necessarily any SPECIFIC two.

You don't have to bribe the entire House to protect your agenda, you just have to bribe enough swing voters to deadlock the vote.


Exactly, there are always a handful of legislators that are either crooked or are willing to be if you offer to help finance their next vacation home.

In a functional government body these people are still in a minority and work can get done. We don't have that here and that blame can be placed entirely on GOP obstruction. Half of our government doesn't even pretend to try and do what they swore an oath to do.
 
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