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2021-11-29 6:24:01 PM  
The Chronicles of the Elders of... Bison?
 
2021-11-29 6:39:47 PM  
ffs. I've been following this story trying to find an article that has clear images of the petroglyphs.
From the pictures I've seen so far I wouldn't be able to tell that rock apart from any other scratched up rock.
 
2021-11-29 6:45:41 PM  
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2021-11-29 6:46:58 PM  
Canadisqatsi?
 
2021-11-29 6:47:04 PM  
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To you, today is the most important day of your lives.  To me, today is Monday.
 
2021-11-29 6:47:46 PM  
For them, the day Canadian archaeologists discovered ancient petroglyphs was one of the greatest days of their lives. But for the bison, it was a Monday.
 
2021-11-29 6:49:46 PM  
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2021-11-29 6:49:49 PM  
"Reintroduced to Wanuskewin Heritage Park in 2019, the animals' hooves uncovered four 1,000-year-old rock carvings"
... and then the murders began.
 
2021-11-29 6:50:23 PM  
A minute I. And we are already looking at a Street Fighter thread jacking.

/ Get over here!
// JK!
 
2021-11-29 6:53:25 PM  
I have no idea what these marked stones might have meant or represented. Assuming the interpretation that they represent the ribs of bison I have three guesses:

a) they are stones on which bison were butchered or which marked the butcher spots of different families, clans or tribes
b) they were like road signs that say "bison here"
or
c) they were like signs that say "bison jump ahead, stay at least this far from cliffs to avoid falling bison".

They don't look like the Lascaux Cave Drawings with their brilliant realism and symbolism, so I assume they were more pragmatic in their purpose, like modern glyphics used in maps and guide books. But I wonder if even native nations are old enough to interpret them completely and correctly. They might date to ancient prehistory and some other North Americans of more ancient date.

I do have a cousin in Saskatchewan who has done genetic tests for genealogy and who is related to a 25,000 year old burial of great importance, so maybe these people weren't total strangers to today's people.
 
2021-11-29 6:54:04 PM  
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2021-11-29 6:54:52 PM  
"As is traditional!"

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2021-11-29 6:56:24 PM  
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Drawings on a rock.
 
2021-11-29 6:57:08 PM  
As usual with all "prophecies", make some extremely vague statements and when anything turns up, stand there triumphant, saying "See, I told you so!"
 
2021-11-29 6:58:31 PM  
Contemporary modern art circa 1,000 AD
 
2021-11-29 7:02:22 PM  

SumoJeb: ffs. I've been following this story trying to find an article that has clear images of the petroglyphs.
From the pictures I've seen so far I wouldn't be able to tell that rock apart from any other scratched up rock.


Is everyone sure these weren't just made by hooves and horns from the bison sighted nearby?
 
2021-11-29 7:02:38 PM  
what about cows ???
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2021-11-29 7:07:57 PM  
So the prophecy was that the return of bison would be a good thing? Were those "prophets" even trying?

Or is this a case where natives just said something and white idiots interpreted it as a mystical prophecy?
 
2021-11-29 7:13:01 PM  

NobleHam: So the prophecy was that the return of bison would be a good thing? Were those "prophets" even trying?

Or is this a case where natives just said something and white idiots interpreted it as a mystical prophecy?


"White idiots" option, as usual, in these cases.
 
2021-11-29 7:18:16 PM  
I can hear the spirits talking to me.

When the full moon shines in the night such that your eyes feast on it, you will have experienced love.

When you walk in the shallows of the sea and blood gushes from your leg, that will have been an eel.
 
2021-11-29 7:21:15 PM  
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Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."
 
2021-11-29 7:48:06 PM  

Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."


I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.
 
2021-11-29 7:48:21 PM  
I thought the prophecy was about sandworms, but this is cool too.
 
2021-11-29 7:49:16 PM  
Meh, petroglyphs are cool, but that's not the real important part here to me, it's the freaking carving tool laying right next to the petroglyphs. THAT is cool. It also might be worth digging in the area to see if there's a body. Makes me wonder if the tool was dropped because something happened to the person who created them.
 
2021-11-29 7:53:12 PM  

whidbey: Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."

I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.


First Nations people can be as full of shiat as anybody else, you know.
 
2021-11-29 7:53:39 PM  
"Witches knew that mysterious omens were around all the time. The world was always nearly drowning in mysterious omens.  You just had to pick the one that was convenient."


/ GNU Sir Terry Pratchett
 
2021-11-29 7:53:46 PM  

leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 380x395]


Listen, my cats already make me worship them enough.  I'm not falling for any more of their crap.
 
2021-11-29 7:53:58 PM  

Mikey1969: Meh, petroglyphs are cool, but that's not the real important part here to me, it's the freaking carving tool laying right next to the petroglyphs. THAT is cool. It also might be worth digging in the area to see if there's a body. Makes me wonder if the tool was dropped because something happened to the person who created them.


A buffalo fell on him while he was carving "Watch For Falling Buffalo" signs.

Roadkill.
 
2021-11-29 7:55:10 PM  

zimbomba63: whidbey: Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."

I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.

First Nations people can be as full of shiat as anybody else, you know.


Like someone trying to whitesplain this shiat?
 
2021-11-29 7:56:41 PM  
and bison manager Craig Thoms made the find last summer while visiting the park.

Bison managers are important. They massage the neck. Bring the towels.
 
2021-11-29 7:57:24 PM  

Jeff5: Mikey1969: Meh, petroglyphs are cool, but that's not the real important part here to me, it's the freaking carving tool laying right next to the petroglyphs. THAT is cool. It also might be worth digging in the area to see if there's a body. Makes me wonder if the tool was dropped because something happened to the person who created them.

A buffalo fell on him while he was carving "Watch For Falling Buffalo" signs.

Roadkill.


They're dropping like flies

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2021-11-29 8:00:05 PM  
Interesting: when non-Native people do it, it's a prediction, or a hypothesis.
When Natives do it, suddenly it's a "prophecy."

The quaint dismissal of Native peoples' intelligence as uneducated and backward is so inculcated that a lot of people don't even realize they fall for it.
 
2021-11-29 8:01:06 PM  

Mikey1969: Meh, petroglyphs are cool, but that's not the real important part here to me, it's the freaking carving tool laying right next to the petroglyphs. THAT is cool. It also might be worth digging in the area to see if there's a body. Makes me wonder if the tool was dropped because something happened to the person who created them.


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The Buffalo Wallow of Aaaaarrrgh?
 
2021-11-29 8:01:25 PM  

whidbey: zimbomba63: whidbey: Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."

I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.

First Nations people can be as full of shiat as anybody else, you know.

Like someone trying to whitesplain this shiat?


The article has a tribal elder explaining the prophecy.  I'm pretty sure he's not "whitesplaining" it.
 
2021-11-29 8:02:22 PM  

whidbey: zimbomba63: whidbey: Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."

I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.

First Nations people can be as full of shiat as anybody else, you know.

Like someone trying to whitesplain this shiat?


Well, you do agree that it is shiat, so that's a start.
 
2021-11-29 8:15:37 PM  
Yeah well their artwork sucks.
 
2021-11-29 8:17:32 PM  

BrerRobot: Yeah well their artwork sucks.


That's just, like, your opinion, man.
 
2021-11-29 8:22:10 PM  

SumoJeb: ffs. I've been following this story trying to find an article that has clear images of the petroglyphs.
From the pictures I've seen so far I wouldn't be able to tell that rock apart from any other scratched up rock.


Check your privilege.
 
2021-11-29 8:26:24 PM  

zimbomba63: NobleHam: So the prophecy was that the return of bison would be a good thing? Were those "prophets" even trying?

Or is this a case where natives just said something and white idiots interpreted it as a mystical prophecy?

"White idiots" option, as usual, in these cases.


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2021-11-29 8:31:23 PM  
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FTFA: "This is the stone tool, no question, [used to carve the petroglyphs]," says Walker. "I measured the width of the cutting edge against the grooves on the rock. It's an incredibly rare find."

I see a human profile on the stone knife. Who's with me?

/ got nuthin'
 
2021-11-29 8:33:49 PM  

BrerRobot: Yeah well their artwork sucks.


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Stone age critic!
 
2021-11-29 8:34:42 PM  
That's just where I ran the wheels off of my rusted out old Apache while drunk after hitting the spike strip.
 
2021-11-29 8:34:47 PM  

whidbey: Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."

I know, call the First Nations people who reported this "stupid."

Go on.  Tell us how dumb they are.


Well they were obviously smarter than the previous inhabitants that lost their land to them.
 
2021-11-29 8:41:50 PM  

BrerRobot: Yeah well their artwork sucks.


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2021-11-29 8:43:35 PM  

Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."


Yeah, they knew how to sharpen their tools when they needed to. And you don't do that by digging the edge directly into the rock.
 
2021-11-29 8:50:27 PM  

wickedragon: "Reintroduced to Wanuskewin Heritage Park in 2019, the animals' hooves uncovered four 1,000-year-old rock carvings"
... and then the apologizing began.


Fixed for accuracy
 
2021-11-29 8:51:32 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: [i.pinimg.com image 610x300]
Drawings on a rock.


Do you have the original?
 
2021-11-29 8:53:51 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: I can hear the spirits talking to me.

When the full moon shines in the night such that your eyes feast on it, you will have experienced love.

When you walk in the shallows of the sea and blood gushes from your leg, that will have been an eel.


When an eel bites your leg
And you scream llike a babe
Thats-a moray
 
2021-11-29 8:53:55 PM  

Eravior: [Fark user image 850x566]

Yeah. Sure. "Ancient art." It wasn't just some idiot trying to sharpen his knife by dragging the edge along a boulder, giving up, and then tossing the knife because it kept getting duller instead.

"It's broken! Salmon-Runs sold me a defective knife!"
"I told you he's not called Salmon-Runs. It's Scam-And-Runs."


some of the other articles mention images of animals nd humans but i've only seen the picture of the one rock with what looks to be cross hatching. i'd love to see more photos
 
2021-11-29 8:57:37 PM  

vrax: leeksfromchichis: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 380x395]

Listen, my cats already make me worship them enough.  I'm not falling for any more of their crap.


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