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    More: Murica, Boeing, Boeing's safety regimen, crashes of its newest jet, virtual version of the company, lead designer, Jack Welch, passive Boeing's board, Denis Muilenburg  
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1326 clicks; posted to Business » on 29 Nov 2021 at 3:35 PM (8 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-11-29 2:43:24 PM  
Good read.
 
2021-11-29 3:27:25 PM  
I used to work for Boeing, and to say that the company has become a joke Woolf be an understatement.  Also, I can't even imagine how bad morale is right now.

Side Notes:

1) We had to sign an ethics pledge every year.  Yeesh.

2) During an all employee webcast with Calhoun in 2020, they mentioned a website where employees could contribute to the fund for the families who lost loved ones because of the 737 Max  crashes.  Are you farking kidding me?  People are about to get laid off, and you want them to contribute to the pay-out?  Talk about tone-deaf.
 
2021-11-29 3:54:54 PM  
In other words, Calhoun was suggesting a cultural problem rather than a technical one. He implied that pilot proficiency was variable and, by inference, that Indonesian and Ethiopian flight crews were from parts of the world where training was "different." Apart from gratuitously insulting the dead pilots (whose proficiency was never questioned) he was again shifting responsibility away from Boeing to regional regulatory systems-all of whom have to meet a global standard set by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

There were a lot of people carrying water on this one.  I read it here a hundred times.
 
2021-11-29 4:05:10 PM  

edmo: Good read.


Yep.  Amounts to the same old song though.  Take established company over, ride reputation to mine every possible dollar of it to destruction, then abandon ship and point the finger at everyone and everything that's not you
 
Juc
2021-11-29 4:25:36 PM  
I like planes that don't crash themselves.
like a ohh 15 inch fore plane. pretty good way to get a board flat.
 
2021-11-29 4:56:51 PM  

edmo: Good read.


Agreed, though I did have one critique. Carnivore Capitalist is inaccurate. I believe the correct term is Vulture Capitalist.
 
2021-11-29 5:24:10 PM  

Rapmaster2000: In other words, Calhoun was suggesting a cultural problem rather than a technical one. He implied that pilot proficiency was variable and, by inference, that Indonesian and Ethiopian flight crews were from parts of the world where training was "different." Apart from gratuitously insulting the dead pilots (whose proficiency was never questioned) he was again shifting responsibility away from Boeing to regional regulatory systems-all of whom have to meet a global standard set by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

There were a lot of people carrying water on this one.  I read it here a hundred times.


I still have some people farkied from repeating that racist nonsense.
 
2021-11-29 5:26:27 PM  
I worked at a small company that was all ex GE people, worked at GE, and have known several other GE employees outside of work. Jack Welch was universally despised. No scientist or engineer could stand him. Longer stories, but you can find all the relevant info you need elsewhere.
 
2021-11-29 5:40:19 PM  
Off the subject, but I don't quite understand this guy's comment:

The 737 was the company's response to a competitor that was rapidly dominating the single-aisle market, the Douglas DC-9. Sutter thought that Douglas had made a serious mistake by placing their jet's engines at the tail, which, for reasons of balance, made it difficult to lengthen the cabin.

Wasn't the stretched 727 longer than the DC-9? And wasn't the 737 shorter than both for a while?

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2021-11-29 6:50:06 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I worked at a small company that was all ex GE people, worked at GE, and have known several other GE employees outside of work. Jack Welch was universally despised. No scientist or engineer could stand him. Longer stories, but you can find all the relevant info you need elsewhere.


Welch pushed ISO 9000 as the end-all, be-all for the marketing people to preach that they made quality products. ISO 9000 is a standard for consistency, not quality.
Yes, I am still bitter about my dishwashers that I had to replace the inlet valves on 6 months after the warranty was up.
 
2021-11-29 6:57:40 PM  

cyberspacedout: Wasn't the stretched 727 longer than the DC-9? And wasn't the 737 shorter than both for a while?


The 737 was made shortly after the 727, to fill in on short/thin routes.

The 727 seats 125 or 155 passengers (in the -100 and -200 versions, respectively). The 737 was originally a baby plane that was to seat 50-60 passengers. Lufthansa was the launch customer and committed to the 737 after Boeing assured them it wouldn't be canceled, and Lufthansa also got Boeing to increase seating to 100 in the initial 737-100 version.

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Only 30 of the -100 version was manufactured. The -200 soon followed and seated a few more passengers, up to about 135.

The benefits of the 737 was that it worked better on routes where you didn't need a trijet. The third engine on the 727 was only necessary for routes outside the 60-minute diversion limit, so all the short and domestic routes didn't need a trijet because it was a waste of fuel and waste of maintenance on an unnecessary engine.
 
2021-11-29 7:25:42 PM  
1) Did any of these executives work directly for Welch at GE?
2) The federal government deregulated aerospace and Boeing was allowed to self-regulate for safety and design.  As mentioned in TFA, they foolishly allowed high turnover of executives, resulting in short term thinking and no accountability.
3) Welsh emphasized quality systems, and being either #1 or #2 in every market or product.  Their clothes washer/dryer division was losing money for years and couldn't beade profitable due to a flood of competition from foreign markets so he got rid of them.
What a stupid article.  Look, don't deregulate businesses like medicine, aircraft, cars, or nuclear energy.  Or if you do don't be surprised at all at the results.
BTW Welsch is both dead and retired some 20 years ago.  Stop blaming him for problems in other companies.
Are you arguing that Boeing shouldn't be competitive or profitable subby?  Because that is an entirely different conversation than the garbage TFA is blabbing on about.  The same thing happened to Lucent and Bell Labs.  Now telecom is all made in China.
 
2021-11-29 7:26:23 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I worked at a small company that was all ex GE people, worked at GE, and have known several other GE employees outside of work. Jack Welch was universally despised. No scientist or engineer could stand him. Longer stories, but you can find all the relevant info you need elsewhere.


None of those who disliked him mattered, and if he were still there, would probably get forced ranked ("ranked and yanked") right out of the company.

What mattered to Welch--and all who worshipped, idolized, aimed to be mentored by him--were the number of times, always FWIW, he was publicly fellated while bloviating on CNBC or some financial bullshiat network.
 
2021-11-29 7:35:12 PM  
There's nothing inherently more respectable about a Fortune 500 company like Boeing than there is about a driveway sealant company or an ambulance-chasing graduate of a fourth-tier law school.

Prove your worth, if you can.
 
2021-11-29 9:00:50 PM  

baron von doodle: edmo: Good read.

Agreed, though I did have one critique. Carnivore Capitalist is inaccurate. I believe the correct term is Vulture Capitalist.


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2021-11-29 9:12:16 PM  
Article completely ignores the union busting that happened in the move from Seattle to Chicago.

Must just be an oversight.
 
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