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2021-11-29 1:12:43 PM  
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2021-11-29 1:21:40 PM  
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2021-11-29 2:04:41 PM  
Ya know, this time could have been spent teaching the public what the debt ceiling actually is and this would not be a partisan train wreck.
You pays yer money, you git yer news.
 
2021-11-29 3:51:23 PM  

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people are saying


The balloons are a nice touch.
 
2021-11-29 3:54:22 PM  
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2021-11-29 3:54:56 PM  

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people are saying


I can't stop watching this gif.

Also, McConnell is such an asshole.
 
2021-11-29 3:58:27 PM  
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2021-11-29 4:00:05 PM  
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2021-11-29 4:02:22 PM  
Bah, give them one chance then walk away.

"Republican obstructionism is going to cause the debt ceiling be breached and damage the American economy. Get ready for Inflation, Interest Rates, shrinking paychecks, and worse, thanks to Mitch McConnell's inability to lead his conference. His inability to get them to pay attention to anything more than scoring points to get re-elected is pathetic."
 
2021-11-29 4:02:57 PM  

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people are saying

The balloons are a nice touch.


the farker I stole it from also thought so
 
2021-11-29 4:03:00 PM  
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2021-11-29 4:04:18 PM  

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What do the approval numbers and the Biden balloon represent?
 
2021-11-29 4:05:45 PM  

snocone: Ya know, this time could have been spent teaching the public what the debt ceiling actually is and this would not be a partisan train wreck.
You pays yer money, you git yer news.


Republicans are involved. Due to them it will ALWAYS be partisan.
 
2021-11-29 4:07:09 PM  

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Democratic members need to sit back and go:

"Your need to score points means killing the economy?

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I can't stop you so I'll clean up your mess after you do your best to destroy America, again."
 
2021-11-29 4:08:28 PM  

covfefe: Shaggy_C: [gannett-cdn.com image 450x294]

What do the approval numbers and the Biden balloon represent?


I don't know, there's not enough labels
 
2021-11-29 4:09:29 PM  

covfefe: What do the approval numbers and the Biden balloon represent?


The threat that a debt default has to the president, on top of the tanking approval numbers he's already faced all summer? Another esoteric congressional squabble that normal people don't understand taking over the headlines going into the holidays is the last thing he needs when the constant drumbeat is already inflation bad, higher prices bad.

People don't think Biden cares about them and rather than going out and championing BBB or even the basic infrastructure deal that took 4 months too long to pass, he's going to be locked in negotiations with congress again.
 
2021-11-29 4:10:29 PM  
Manchin has been waiting for this, now he's going to force the Dems to use reconciliation to increase the debt limit (but not remove it) and this will kill BBB.
 
2021-11-29 4:11:29 PM  
McConnell is counting on the Democrats using reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling increase instead of legislation like BBB that the Republicans oppose. Here's the thing though, the Republicans (and yes, many of the Democrats) are entirely controlled by corporate interests that do not want the debt to be defaulted on. So I say pass BBB through reconciliation and call McConnell's bluff. I can pretty much guarantee that the .1% that control both parties don't want us to default as there won't be a safe place to store their wealth without it being significantly diminished.

If the Republicans are that intent on committing economic suicide to own the libs by deciding not to pay the bill on the charges that those same Republicans racked up under Trump then this country is a lost cause. It's time we shiat or got off the pot when it comes to this issue.
 
2021-11-29 4:11:50 PM  
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2021-11-29 4:13:27 PM  

leeksfromchichis: covfefe: Shaggy_C: [gannett-cdn.com image 450x294]

What do the approval numbers and the Biden balloon represent?

I don't know, there's not enough labels


And a bunch of stuff about cum. This guy is a rank amateur,
 
2021-11-29 4:13:44 PM  

red230: McConnell is counting on the Democrats using reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling increase instead of legislation like BBB that the Republicans oppose. Here's the thing though, the Republicans (and yes, many of the Democrats) are entirely controlled by corporate interests that do not want the debt to be defaulted on. So I say pass BBB through reconciliation and call McConnell's bluff. I can pretty much guarantee that the .1% that control both parties don't want us to default as there won't be a safe place to store their wealth without it being significantly diminished.


Schumer has pushed BBB votes back until before Xmas and didn't bring it to the floor today like he said he would, and now the NDAA is being stonewalled by McConnell.
 
2021-11-29 4:15:25 PM  

Shamwow: snocone: Ya know, this time could have been spent teaching the public what the debt ceiling actually is and this would not be a partisan train wreck.
You pays yer money, you git yer news.

Republicans are involved. Due to them it will ALWAYS be partisan.


I say fuggedaboutit. Let them blow up the economy. Schedule a single vote that will kick the can down to the Friday before the 2022 election. Literally one vote for each chamber. Make it an in person, one at a time, individual voice vote for each chamber. YOU MUST BE THERE TO STAND AND VOTE (well, Madison can stay in his wheelchair) LIVE ON CSPAN AT 12PM ET (Senate) 2PM ET (House) on a Monday. We all know how Rethuglicans hate remote voting. Early enough in the day for it to hit the market while it is open, and the dinner time news, with video of the politician voting.
 
2021-11-29 4:15:28 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Manchin has been waiting for this, now he's going to force the Dems to use reconciliation to increase the debt limit (but not remove it) and this will kill BBB.


They get to use reconciliation up to three times per fiscal year; once to adjust taxes, once to adjust spending, and once to adjust the debt ceiling. They could ram through a debt ceiling increase tomorrow if they wanted, with zero impact to BBB. The Democrats just don't want to because they're afraid that Republicans will use it against them politically.

So, it comes down to fearful Democrats threatening the entire economy to protect themselves from the wrath of voters. And Republicans get called the 'hostage takers'...Hmm...
 
2021-11-29 4:17:18 PM  

Shaggy_C: covfefe: What do the approval numbers and the Biden balloon represent?

The threat that a debt default has to the president, on top of the tanking approval numbers he's already faced all summer? Another esoteric congressional squabble that normal people don't understand taking over the headlines going into the holidays is the last thing he needs when the constant drumbeat is already inflation bad, higher prices bad.

People don't think Biden cares about them and rather than going out and championing BBB or even the basic infrastructure deal that took 4 months too long to pass, he's going to be locked in negotiations with congress again.


*cries*
 
2021-11-29 4:19:53 PM  
The American Taliban continues to punish us peasants for not being born rich and instructing the drones to believe it's the fault of anyone but the ultra wealthy. Oh, and also old man bad or something.
 
2021-11-29 4:21:16 PM  
I'll post it again. Biden controls the Treasury.

1. Have Chuck call an up or down vote in the Senate to punt or eliminate the debt ceiling to 2024. Get all the Rs on record voting no.
2. Instruct the treasury to prepare for default. In order to stay solvent start cutting all federal funding to any states with R senators who voted no.
3. Launch massive media campaign and send letters from the SSA and Medicare to participants in those states, explaining that their senators voted no and as such they will not be receiving their benefits after X date.

Then stand back and watch the boomer Rs eat their own congress critters.

/ If only the dems had the genitals to do such a thing.
 
2021-11-29 4:22:49 PM  

Shaggy_C: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Manchin has been waiting for this, now he's going to force the Dems to use reconciliation to increase the debt limit (but not remove it) and this will kill BBB.

They get to use reconciliation up to three times per fiscal year; once to adjust taxes, once to adjust spending, and once to adjust the debt ceiling. They could ram through a debt ceiling increase tomorrow if they wanted, with zero impact to BBB. The Democrats just don't want to because they're afraid that Republicans will use it against them politically.

So, it comes down to fearful Democrats threatening the entire economy to protect themselves from the wrath of voters. And Republicans get called the 'hostage takers'...Hmm...


Republicans will get called hostage takers because when paying our debts comes up for vote, all the Democrats will vote for it, and zero Republicans will. And the stated reason of the Republicans to vote against the USA?  Because their list of demands wasn't satisfied.

Republicans are hostage takers, but if you object to that term, Economic Terrorists also applies.
 
2021-11-29 4:23:43 PM  
Mint the trillion dollar coin.

Problem solved.
 
2021-11-29 4:25:10 PM  

Majin_Buu: The American Taliban continues to punish us peasants for not being born rich and instructing the drones to believe it's the fault of anyone but the ultra wealthy. Oh, and also old man bad or something.


Quit calling them "American Taliban" because it is a cop out. The Republican TERRORISTS don't care about the American people. ALL Republicans are Terrorists, and we know this to be true because they vote to literally kick out people in the party who want to punish the Jan 6th terrorists.
 
2021-11-29 4:26:31 PM  

aneki: I'll post it again. Biden controls the Treasury.

1. Have Chuck call an up or down vote in the Senate to punt or eliminate the debt ceiling to 2024. Get all the Rs on record voting no.
2. Instruct the treasury to prepare for default. In order to stay solvent start cutting all federal funding to any states with R senators who voted no.
3. Launch massive media campaign and send letters from the SSA and Medicare to participants in those states, explaining that their senators voted no and as such they will not be receiving their benefits after X date.

Then stand back and watch the boomer Rs eat their own congress critters.

/ If only the dems had the genitals to do such a thing.


Republicans would just counter that the Democrats are withholding the money to redistribute to inner-city minorities.
 
2021-11-29 4:26:44 PM  

Shaggy_C: I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Manchin has been waiting for this, now he's going to force the Dems to use reconciliation to increase the debt limit (but not remove it) and this will kill BBB.

They get to use reconciliation up to three times per fiscal year; once to adjust taxes, once to adjust spending, and once to adjust the debt ceiling. They could ram through a debt ceiling increase tomorrow if they wanted, with zero impact to BBB. The Democrats just don't want to because they're afraid that Republicans will use it against them politically.

So, it comes down to fearful Democrats threatening the entire economy to protect themselves from the wrath of voters. And Republicans get called the 'hostage takers'...Hmm...


So republicans are assholes that will not vote for it and you blame the democrats? Mighty partisan of you.
 
2021-11-29 4:29:16 PM  

covfefe: aneki: I'll post it again. Biden controls the Treasury.

1. Have Chuck call an up or down vote in the Senate to punt or eliminate the debt ceiling to 2024. Get all the Rs on record voting no.
2. Instruct the treasury to prepare for default. In order to stay solvent start cutting all federal funding to any states with R senators who voted no.
3. Launch massive media campaign and send letters from the SSA and Medicare to participants in those states, explaining that their senators voted no and as such they will not be receiving their benefits after X date.

Then stand back and watch the boomer Rs eat their own congress critters.

/ If only the dems had the genitals to do such a thing.

Republicans would just counter that the Democrats are withholding the money to redistribute to inner-city minorities.


Wouldn't matter in the slightest. If any white, old, republican retiree misses a social security check there will be hell to pay at the polls.
 
2021-11-29 4:30:26 PM  

Private_Citizen: Republicans will get called hostage takers because when paying our debts comes up for vote, all the Democrats will vote for it, and zero Republicans will. And the stated reason of the Republicans to vote against the USA? Because their list of demands wasn't satisfied.


[Insert party here] will vote for debt ceiling increases when they hold the Presidency and vote against it when they don't.

Joe Biden himself voted against debt ceiling increases back when he was a Senator. Was he "hostage taking" then?

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Yes, this is a BSAB. Debt ceiling increases should be bipartisan and big enough not to need to do this every couple of years.
 
2021-11-29 4:31:17 PM  

covfefe: aneki: I'll post it again. Biden controls the Treasury.

1. Have Chuck call an up or down vote in the Senate to punt or eliminate the debt ceiling to 2024. Get all the Rs on record voting no.
2. Instruct the treasury to prepare for default. In order to stay solvent start cutting all federal funding to any states with R senators who voted no.
3. Launch massive media campaign and send letters from the SSA and Medicare to participants in those states, explaining that their senators voted no and as such they will not be receiving their benefits after X date.

Then stand back and watch the boomer Rs eat their own congress critters.

/ If only the dems had the genitals to do such a thing.

Republicans would just counter that the Democrats are withholding the money to redistribute to inner-city minorities.


So?

In a similar vein we need to end this protest vote bullshiat.

The House puts up a spending bill. The bill is structured so that each person representing as a Senator is worth 25% of the appropriations, and the rest is split up by House seat. Your representation votes against a bill, let's ay it's all of them, YOU GET NOTHING, GOOD DAY! Both Senators and all but one of the four House seats votes against it, well it's only up to 12.5% of the appropriation amount, and ONLY for the district that voted for the bill.

Have fun with it.
 
2021-11-29 4:31:42 PM  
Just mint a couple of trillion dollar coins already.  Yes, it's a stupid solution worthy only of a government controlled by a toxic minority of clowns and terrorists, but so long as the filibuster exists and McTurtle gets to control the US's potential default we're stuck with the solution worthy of clowns and terrorists.
 
2021-11-29 4:33:25 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Mint the trillion dollar coin.

Problem solved.


Why just one?
 
2021-11-29 4:33:47 PM  

Shamwow: So republicans are assholes that will not vote for it and you blame the democrats? Mighty partisan of you.


The Democrats can pass it all by themselves with the limited 20 hours of debate. There's absolutely nothing stopping them except their fear of it being used against them as a cudgel in 2022. Bold leadership would have just passed this debt increase months ago as a simple matter of course and without all of the unnecessary drama. It's pathetic.
 
2021-11-29 4:38:19 PM  
The Republicans always max out the credit card on cash advances and then refuse to pay their bills.

It's absurd that any party in the government or media is treating this as anything other than what it is.
 
2021-11-29 4:38:36 PM  

Shaggy_C: Shamwow: So republicans are assholes that will not vote for it and you blame the democrats? Mighty partisan of you.

The Democrats can pass it all by themselves with the limited 20 hours of debate. There's absolutely nothing stopping them except their fear of it being used against them as a cudgel in 2022. Bold leadership would have just passed this debt increase months ago as a simple matter of course and without all of the unnecessary drama. It's pathetic.


It seems like you're saying Democrats could run things all by themselves, but they don't, because they are too useless.
 
2021-11-29 4:40:18 PM  

red230: McConnell is counting on the Democrats using reconciliation to pass the debt ceiling increase instead of legislation like BBB that the Republicans oppose. Here's the thing though, the Republicans (and yes, many of the Democrats) are entirely controlled by corporate interests that do not want the debt to be defaulted on. So I say pass BBB through reconciliation and call McConnell's bluff. I can pretty much guarantee that the .1% that control both parties don't want us to default as there won't be a safe place to store their wealth without it being significantly diminished.

If the Republicans are that intent on committing economic suicide to own the libs by deciding not to pay the bill on the charges that those same Republicans racked up under Trump then this country is a lost cause. It's time we shiat or got off the pot when it comes to this issue.


But that would require the Democrats to actually want to pass the BBB, and the right wing Dems aren't finished negotiating it down to nothing yet, so it's not ready to pass.
 
2021-11-29 4:41:23 PM  

Shaggy_C: Shamwow: So republicans are assholes that will not vote for it and you blame the democrats? Mighty partisan of you.

The Democrats can pass it all by themselves with the limited 20 hours of debate. There's absolutely nothing stopping them except their fear of it being used against them as a cudgel in 2022. Bold leadership would have just passed this debt increase months ago as a simple matter of course and without all of the unnecessary drama. It's pathetic.


Pathetic that republicans will turn anything into an attack on democrats and you will blame anyone but the republicans. You need to stop whining about 1 side and blame the side that will do ANYTHING no matter how destructive to American to attack democrats.

Is there any action you will not accept by a republican to get and/or abuse power? At what point do you stop excusing republicans for what they do?

Grow a pair for a change and go after the group you protect for their willingness to make anything partisan in the hopes of hurting democrats.
 
2021-11-29 4:41:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: oe Biden himself voted against debt ceiling increases back when he was a Senator.


Did he vote against it to stop it from passing, or in a symbolic vote accompanied with some speechifying about the dangers of ever growing debt?

I only ask because when you and your ilk pulled the same line about Obama and pretended it was the former, it was the latter.
 
2021-11-29 4:42:08 PM  

covfefe: Shaggy_C: Shamwow: So republicans are assholes that will not vote for it and you blame the democrats? Mighty partisan of you.

The Democrats can pass it all by themselves with the limited 20 hours of debate. There's absolutely nothing stopping them except their fear of it being used against them as a cudgel in 2022. Bold leadership would have just passed this debt increase months ago as a simple matter of course and without all of the unnecessary drama. It's pathetic.

It seems like you're saying Democrats could run things all by themselves, but they don't, because they are too useless.


This is correct.

Democrats COULD do a lot of great and sensible things. But they don't.
 
2021-11-29 4:42:39 PM  

snocone: Ya know, this time could have been spent teaching the public what the debt ceiling actually is and this would not be a partisan train wreck.
You pays yer money, you git yer news.


I'm sorry. What percentage of the public wants to learn anything that doesn't come from Facebook or Q? America is strongly anti-intellectual and won't stand for any of your fancy learnin'.

/The only things Republicans believe are things that aren't true.
 
2021-11-29 4:43:11 PM  
Thereby helping to make sure BBB is fully strangled and snuffed out.

The donors will reward the appropriate parties generously.
 
2021-11-29 4:45:54 PM  

Shaggy_C: The Democrats can pass it all by themselves with the limited 20 hours of debate. There's absolutely nothing stopping them except they can only use that trick a limited number of times, and I desperately want them to use it on the debt ceiling so it can't be used to actually accomplish anything that helps people, because knowing that people are needlessly suffering is the only way I can achieve an erection


Why does it always have to be about you, shaggs?
 
2021-11-29 4:50:12 PM  
Don't forget that we're still looking at shutting the government down on Friday

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/29/government-shutdown-congress-aims-to-pass-funding-bill.html

/is it furlough fiesta time again?
 
2021-11-29 4:51:02 PM  

Shaggy_C: Private_Citizen: Republicans will get called hostage takers because when paying our debts comes up for vote, all the Democrats will vote for it, and zero Republicans will. And the stated reason of the Republicans to vote against the USA? Because their list of demands wasn't satisfied.

[Insert party here] will vote for debt ceiling increases when they hold the Presidency and vote against it when they don't.

Joe Biden himself voted against debt ceiling increases back when he was a Senator. Was he "hostage taking" then?

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Yes, this is a BSAB. Debt ceiling increases should be bipartisan and big enough not to need to do this every couple of years.


Fun fact, those times that democrats didn't join republicans in raising the debt ceiling? They also didn't filibuster it allowing the majority to act alone. I'm glad you are enjoying the Republican talking points however, now let's try to get some context in there too..
 
2021-11-29 4:52:55 PM  
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2021-11-29 4:53:52 PM  
Since they're using reconciliation, they have to choose a number for the debt ceiling, but work with me here:

Choose an astronomically high number, one that the average American can't even comprehend. If they raise the debt ceiling to 50 trillion (or whatever number) then most Americans have an idea of how big it is. Raise it to one Googolplex and no one will have any idea what it means. Bonus? We'll never reach it, so they'll never have to vote on it again.

Or, even better, make up a new definition for a number that is always defined as [(current debt limit) * 1.20] = One Flarbertiblah. Then set the debt limit to 1 Flarbertiblah.
 
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