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2021-11-29 3:39:57 PM  
Amazing how much money Americans will throw at a third-tier league whole pretending how worldly they are.
 
2021-11-29 4:10:05 PM  

puffy999: Amazing how much money Americans will throw at a third-tier league whole pretending how worldly they are.


So people who like baseball in Japan are idiots?  Or basketball fans in Spain, Baltics, and Yugoslavia?

I think there's a segment of fans that are just pretentiously virtue signaling, but I think the majority of fans are genuine.  And I frankly prefer that segment to the segment of self-loathing football fans that post in NFL and college football threads about how terrible and shameful football is.
 
2021-11-29 4:13:51 PM  
It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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2021-11-29 4:17:17 PM  
Well, at least take cues from the NHL and have the individual teams play some local teams before the head to head.

// Saw the NY Rangers play the local club here. We knew they were go to lose but the partisan crowd helps.
// Seen two NHL in Europe games and the atmosphere was... Ok.
 
2021-11-29 4:20:08 PM  
You mean that sport that elementary school kids play until they're old enough to join a Pop Warner or Little League team?
 
2021-11-29 4:23:46 PM  
It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.
 
2021-11-29 4:26:06 PM  
no one in the US gives a shiat about MLS except for ticket-buying fans in cities where teams are. Meanwhile, everyone else who likes soccer is watching the EPL or La Liga.
 
2021-11-29 4:26:12 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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Maybe one day, Chicago will have an MLS franchise to call their own.

/and that chart should be updated with Soldier Field's capacity number to make the Chicago attendance look even more pathetic
//the Fire are terrible
 
2021-11-29 4:26:26 PM  
Personally, I can't wait for Ronaldo and Messi to hit MLS for their end of the career cash grab. It is good for the game in the US to get the truly great players in the league even if they are past their prime. They put butts in seats and have the potential to turn casual fans into die hands.
 
2021-11-29 4:26:42 PM  

Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.


It would be interesting to see if an English U19 would beat an MLS team.
 
2021-11-29 4:30:05 PM  

The5thElement: Personally, I can't wait for Ronaldo and Messi to hit MLS for their end of the career cash grab. It is good for the game in the US to get the truly great players in the league even if they are past their prime. They put butts in seats and have the potential to turn casual fans into die hands.


I am curious as to what exactly a die hand is....
 
2021-11-29 4:31:31 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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2021-11-29 4:31:52 PM  

Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.


The MLS is also a much more sanitized product compared to most leagues in Europe. I go to a couple Sounders games a year and they are fun, but it's a PG rated version of fun where maybe once or twice a match you'll hear a distant f-word as a reaction to something that happened on the pitch.

Been to a couple games in Europe and....hoo boy....much different.

.
 
2021-11-29 4:32:40 PM  

FLMountainMan: Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.

It would be interesting to see if an English U19 would beat an MLS team.


I hope there'd be a mercy rule so the MLS team wouldn't abuse those children.
 
2021-11-29 4:36:29 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Of course, even that chart is misleading.  For example, MLB plays about ten times as many games a year as the NFL.  So, even though the NFL draws over twice the attendance per game, the MLB has about four times as much total attendance.
 
2021-11-29 4:36:47 PM  

Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.


You underestimate the UK's appreciation of soccer.

Also, a lot of sad troll attempts in this thread.

/it's third behind NFL and MLB and they can probably catch and surpass MLB given that it's 90 minutes non-stop and then you know you'll likely be going home and not a 3-hour game where there are about 18 minutes of actual "action"
 
2021-11-29 4:45:08 PM  

Geotpf: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Of course, even that chart is misleading.  For example, MLB plays about ten times as many games a year as the NFL.  So, even though the NFL draws over twice the attendance per game, the MLB has about four times as much total attendance.


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention season length to take into consideration. However, they still average more than NBA and NHL (who both have longer seasons). People just want to hate on soccer, and I get it. I still watch football and would watch an OSU game over a Crew game, but to pretend it's not successful is just, well, I guess typical Fark.
 
2021-11-29 4:52:19 PM  

FLMountainMan: Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.

It would be interesting to see if an English U19 would beat an MLS team.


Do you mean THE England U19 team?  It'd be a decent game vs the lower end MLS teams but the vets would win.  Top MLS teams would murder them.  It's the old "would University of Alabama be able to beat the Miami Dolphins" debate.  The answer is no x100. There's a big difference between being a grown ass man professional MLS player and an 18 year old who is the 5th best left back at West Ham.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_under-19_football_team

Do you mean a U19 team from ONE Premier League Club? The answer is very much no.  Every MLS team would destroy them.  MLS Academy teams regularly travel to Europe and play vs Academy teams from Europe and do very well.  See: Seattle Sounders
 
2021-11-29 4:54:06 PM  

OhioUGrad: Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.

You underestimate the UK's appreciation of soccer.

Also, a lot of sad troll attempts in this thread.

/it's third behind NFL and MLB and they can probably catch and surpass MLB given that it's 90 minutes non-stop and then you know you'll likely be going home and not a 3-hour game where there are about 18 minutes of actual "action"


Arena's that have hockey or basketball teams aren't really suited to seating more than about 20k max. Also, they play a lot more games than MLS would and both have far more lucrative TV deals.
 
2021-11-29 5:01:18 PM  

Geotpf: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Of course, even that chart is misleading.  For example, MLB plays about ten times as many games a year as the NFL.  So, even though the NFL draws over twice the attendance per game, the MLB has about four times as much total attendance.


The bigger problem is that due to the nature of the sports (namely the much smaller playing areas), hockey and basketball cannot support as large of audience capacities in a good facility as baseball/football/soccer.
 
2021-11-29 5:06:46 PM  

Killer Cars: Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.

The MLS is also a much more sanitized product compared to most leagues in Europe. I go to a couple Sounders games a year and they are fun, but it's a PG rated version of fun where maybe once or twice a match you'll hear a distant f-word as a reaction to something that happened on the pitch.

Been to a couple games in Europe and....hoo boy....much different.

.


Sporting KC has a Bud Light sponsored section. All you can eat stadium food and all you can drink beer from when you enter the stadium until the 80th minute of the game. A little pricey, but a lot of fun and very not PG.
 
2021-11-29 5:09:38 PM  
Open wide for some Soccer!
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2021-11-29 5:10:43 PM  
Soccer here lacks the same level of regional loyalty you see in Europe because there are to decades or over a century of development of teams.  When I visit Spain and see a Real Madrid getting the entire city to shut down when they play Barcelona, it is because there has been such a long time being dominant and good.  Even crappier teams that live in the shadow of better teams like Munich 1860 and Getafe maintain a strong following due to generations of fandom in the places where they have their base.  Compare that with MLS where you have three decades, and most of the cities have bigger established NFL, MLB, and NHL teams that are able to offer a higher level of play.  It is only recently that MLS seems to have gotten smarter to move into cities like Austin where they are not competing with other professional sports.
 
2021-11-29 5:11:18 PM  
Oh, and that section seats 250 people so it's a bit over the top of you aren't ready for it.
 
2021-11-29 5:38:22 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Why would I be concerned?  Concerned about what?
 
2021-11-29 5:56:12 PM  

Uzzah: You mean that sport that elementary school kids play until they're old enough to join a Pop Warner or Little League team?


Nah, you picked two sports, and missed the reason that America hasn't produced a great soccer player yet. To play soccer, or at least to work on your individual skills, you need a ball. Football requires- at a minimum- wide-open space and a ball. Baseball, you need a ball, bat, and gloves.

Basketball, on the other hand, you need a ball, and the player can at least dribble. A hoop in a park? Golden.

Now, you want to talk about the Americans who would have been dominant, legendary soccer players? Look at speedy, creative guards. Pete Maravich would have been unreal, Russell Westbrook would be very, very good. But the guy who would have made the world forget about Leo Messi? Allen Iverson. AI would have been... unreal.

But our athletes like that play basketball.
 
2021-11-29 6:11:37 PM  

Gonz: But the guy who would have made the world forget about Leo Messi? Allen Iverson. AI would have been... unreal.


..but would he have put in the practice?
 
2021-11-29 7:28:00 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Attendance is a BS metric. Let's talk about what really counts: money. MLS averages $45M per team in revenues. This is one third what the NHL averages. And the NHL team revenues are half that of the NBA. And the NBA averages a little more than half of what the NFL averages. Add that all up and MLS team revenues are 10% that of an NFL team. Don't get me wrong: I like the MLS and think they're doing the right things to grow the game in the US. But the word "dominant" shouldn't be part of any sentence containing "MLS".
 
2021-11-29 7:32:16 PM  
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Let's not start...
 
2021-11-29 8:04:57 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

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No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

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Why would I be concerned?  Concerned about what?


You lacked facts and used "dominant" in quotes when it has the third-highest average attendance over NBA and NHL. I'd say for a league that is younger than both, that's pretty "dominant". Sorry that a soccer player stole your g/f in HS or whatever.
 
2021-11-29 8:07:47 PM  

iamskibibitz: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

[Fark user image 850x478]

No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

[Fark user image 850x515]

Attendance is a BS metric. Let's talk about what really counts: money. MLS averages $45M per team in revenues. This is one third what the NHL averages. And the NHL team revenues are half that of the NBA. And the NBA averages a little more than half of what the NFL averages. Add that all up and MLS team revenues are 10% that of an NFL team. Don't get me wrong: I like the MLS and think they're doing the right things to grow the game in the US. But the word "dominant" shouldn't be part of any sentence containing "MLS".


How much older are all the other leagues? Dominance doesn't rely just on money, MLS has smaller margins, smaller salaries, etc. But hey, go about your badass whataboutism, you should spend some time in the POL tab, they love that shiat in there.
 
2021-11-29 8:27:01 PM  
In 2019-20 MLS tv revenue was $105 million. NBC's new contract with the Premier League is going to average $450 million a year.  That's 450 million to show games that start between 4:30 am - 9:00 am on weekends, noon on weekdays.

MLS still has a way to go.
 
2021-11-29 8:30:24 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

[Fark user image 850x478]

No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

[Fark user image image 850x515]

Why would I be concerned?  Concerned about what?

You lacked facts and used "dominant" in quotes when it has the third-highest average attendance over NBA and NHL. I'd say for a league that is younger than both, that's pretty "dominant". Sorry that a soccer player stole your g/f in HS or whatever.


I'll give you this, you're the first edge lord soccer fan I've ever encountered.  Normally such meatheadery is relegated to hockey fans.
 
2021-11-29 8:59:30 PM  

OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

[Fark user image 850x478]

No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

[Fark user image image 850x515]

Why would I be concerned?  Concerned about what?

You lacked facts and used "dominant" in quotes when it has the third-highest average attendance over NBA and NHL. I'd say for a league that is younger than both, that's pretty "dominant". Sorry that a soccer player stole your g/f in HS or whatever.


Average attendance is a dumb metric. NHL and NBA attendance is limited by the arena sizes. Those arena sizes are limited by the physical characteristics of the playing area and requirements for enjoyable viewing. It also doesn't consider that they play twice as many games as MLS.

Further, in person audience is far smaller than TV viewership. Looking at in person attendance but not TV viewership is just stupid (or cherry picking one number to justify your claims).
 
2021-11-29 9:10:53 PM  

FLMountainMan: puffy999: Amazing how much money Americans will throw at a third-tier league whole pretending how worldly they are.

So people who like baseball in Japan are idiots?  Or basketball fans in Spain, Baltics, and Yugoslavia?/em>

wat

Yugoslavia hasn't been a thing for about 30 years.

/I mean, I get your general point - I know Poles and Slovaks who love basketball.
//But you might need to buy a new atlas.

 
2021-11-29 9:12:07 PM  

OhioUGrad: iamskibibitz: OhioUGrad: Rapmaster2000: It's got quite a long way to go to become "dominant".

[Fark user image 850x478]

No legend, no year, some aren't in dedicated stadiums yet, you seem a bit concerned. (most recent year I could find)

[Fark user image 850x515]

Attendance is a BS metric. Let's talk about what really counts: money. MLS averages $45M per team in revenues. This is one third what the NHL averages. And the NHL team revenues are half that of the NBA. And the NBA averages a little more than half of what the NFL averages. Add that all up and MLS team revenues are 10% that of an NFL team. Don't get me wrong: I like the MLS and think they're doing the right things to grow the game in the US. But the word "dominant" shouldn't be part of any sentence containing "MLS".

How much older are all the other leagues? Dominance doesn't rely just on money, MLS has smaller margins, smaller salaries, etc. But hey, go about your badass whataboutism, you should spend some time in the POL tab, they love that shiat in there.


This is regardless or sport being played.

Dominance in a given market is probably best expressed by a combination of attendance and eyeballs watching the game live. How you balance those two is probably a function of economics. So, you have Value A.

Value B is a function of A. B equals a the highest value of A for regular season that isn't a showcase (Thanksgiving, NFL).

Value C is a function of A. C equals the highest rated value of A for postseason and championships.

I don't know the equation, but those are the values in the equation. In the US, Soccer gets an amazing boost for championships, but is way behind on regular season games. Most don't care, even locally. I live in KC and am a die hard Royals and Chiefs fan. Sporting KC is a great team but I only bother with them because A) going in person they have an all you can eat/ drink (beer) section, and B) they tend to make post season.

The major flaw in Soccer (ignoring flops) is that the best strategy, possession, is amazingly boring. A similar thing is wrecking the MLB. The best strategy to win the game is really boring to watch.
 
2021-11-29 9:29:37 PM  
Interesting that this comes on the confirmed  news that the USL will be voting on pro/rel and moving their season to fall-winter-spring.
 
2021-11-29 11:27:08 PM  

Killer Cars: Cyrene Valantion: It'll be amusing if they bring a MLS game to the uk... because I suspect the crowd would be a lot smaller than they'd like.

The MLS is also a much more sanitized product compared to most leagues in Europe. I go to a couple Sounders games a year and they are fun, but it's a PG rated version of fun where maybe once or twice a match you'll hear a distant f-word as a reaction to something that happened on the pitch.

Been to a couple games in Europe and....hoo boy....much different.

.


That and the singing and chanting (often X-rated) from the stands. Nothing really compares with that.
 
2021-11-30 8:34:31 AM  
MLS is about on par with Championship.

QPR vs Seattle or Coventry vs Sporting KC would be a fair match.

And for the lulz, Orange County vs Derby County...
 
2021-11-30 6:08:36 PM  
Soccer is the sport of the future in North America.

It always has been.

And it always will be.
 
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