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(NPR)   Build Back Better is either a hugely popular program that will get Democrats re-elected OR the cause of runaway inflation and high gas prices that will allow Republicans to take over the House and Senate   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-11-29 8:47:23 AM  
If this is true, then the GQP should be fully behind the program.  Where's the problem?
 
2021-11-29 9:03:45 AM  
FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.
 
2021-11-29 9:08:52 AM  
"Inflation occurs when an economy grows due to increased spending without a concomitant increase in the production of goods and services. When this happens, prices rise and the currency within the economy is worth less than it was before."

It's pretty simple.
 
2021-11-29 9:35:16 AM  
BBB will do neither because BBB is never going to pass.
 
2021-11-29 9:35:52 AM  
Hey, republicans? If Build Back Better is causing inflation and high gas prices, why are those things also happening in other countries?

Or....and hear me out.....you're straight up lying for political points.
 
2021-11-29 9:36:17 AM  

Elliot8654: Hey, republicans? If Build Back Better is causing inflation and high gas prices, why are those things also happening in other countries?

Or....and hear me out.....you're straight up lying for political points.


Yes. And?
 
2021-11-29 9:38:00 AM  

Elliot8654: Hey, republicans? If Build Back Better is causing inflation and high gas prices, why are those things also happening in other countries?

Or....and hear me out.....you're straight up lying for political points.


Because they're already socialist hellholes without any True Freedums, not like the paradise that is Russia
 
2021-11-29 9:38:23 AM  
I'm looking forward to the obstruction along with the more obstruction and the even more obstruction.  Additionally, I just can't wait for the yet even more obstruction.
 
2021-11-29 9:39:52 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: BBB will do neither because BBB is never going to pass.


It was totally worth sacrificing all the good things promised in BBB for the bump from passing the BIF - that people don't really seem to care about. Whoops.
 
2021-11-29 9:40:36 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it.


This is monumentally incorrect. It's why Dems are always playing defense -- they never crow about their victories. They think good governance will win them votes, and it does, but nowhere near a majority.

You gotta advertise that shiat. Perpetual campaign. Tell voters the good Dems have done and how Republicans are obsessed with wrecking it.
 
2021-11-29 9:40:37 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.


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2021-11-29 9:41:53 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: AdmirableSnackbar: It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it.

This is monumentally incorrect. It's why Dems are always playing defense -- they never crow about their victories. They think good governance will win them votes, and it does, but nowhere near a majority.

You gotta advertise that shiat. Perpetual campaign. Tell voters the good Dems have done and how Republicans are obsessed with wrecking it.


The Democrats need to start governing well before they crow about it, that's the point. They're governing terribly.
 
2021-11-29 9:42:19 AM  
BBB will make no difference in whether or not the requblicans take back the congress.

They will, regardless of whether it passes, because Democrats are lazy, and fully convinced that Joe Biden was the big win so they can all go home now and pay marginal attention when 2024 rolls around.
 
2021-11-29 9:42:58 AM  
The Democrats' main problem is that there's not enough lipstick in the world for their pig.
 
2021-11-29 9:43:42 AM  
But I never got my $2,000 check!
 
2021-11-29 9:45:29 AM  
On one thing you can count: Republicans will lie about it.
 
2021-11-29 9:45:30 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: They're governing terribly.


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2021-11-29 9:46:55 AM  
I meet with one of our US senators about this in an hour. I'll ask him how this means trouble for democrats.
 
2021-11-29 9:53:54 AM  

qorkfiend: Elliot8654: Hey, republicans? If Build Back Better is causing inflation and high gas prices, why are those things also happening in other countries?

Or....and hear me out.....you're straight up lying for political points.

Yes. And?


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2021-11-29 9:54:01 AM  
My brother is R to the core.  But he admits Obamacare allowed him to purchase health insurance (he's self employed) and I'm guessing here - he fibs on his taxes so he gets the biggest, bestest discount.  Just a guess.

Said he would have been bankrupted had he gone through his hernia operation with out Ocare.  But that's no way to run a country.  I mentioned the 60+ times the R tried to repeal Obamacare and had they succeeded, he'd be on the hook for his $100k operation.  "Well, I'm glad they didn't" he says.
 
2021-11-29 9:55:36 AM  
People will vote according to their fears more than they will vote according to their hopes.
 
2021-11-29 9:56:18 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: My brother is R to the core.  But he admits Obamacare allowed him to purchase health insurance (he's self employed) and I'm guessing here - he fibs on his taxes so he gets the biggest, bestest discount.  Just a guess.

Said he would have been bankrupted had he gone through his hernia operation with out Ocare.  But that's no way to run a country.  I mentioned the 60+ times the R tried to repeal Obamacare and had they succeeded, he'd be on the hook for his $100k operation.  "Well, I'm glad they didn't" he says.


Curious as to what issues make him a requblican?

/ Guns?
// Gawd?
/// Gehys?
 
2021-11-29 9:57:10 AM  

jjorsett: The Democrats' main problem is that there's not enough lipstick in the world for their pig.


You're just phoning it in at this point. Just give it up - your heart isn't in it anymore.
 
2021-11-29 9:57:29 AM  
1) assuming that BBB passes it will be wildly successful as long as you don't refer to it by name
2) inflation will continue in the near term as we continue to recover from a global pandemic and likely moreso if omicron is half what it has the potential to be.
3) the GOP will continue to lie about BBB while bragging to their voters about all the good stuff as if they did that somehow even though they voted against it

So I'm going with BBB being wildly successful and getting the GOP back in power.
 
2021-11-29 9:57:50 AM  
This is weird, though.  On one side we have a core group of people trying to improve the lives of many Americans.  And on the other side we have Conservative Pussy Ideology, the hopes of a bunch of Conservative pussies hoping to continue to be a bunch of f*cking pussies.
 
2021-11-29 9:58:04 AM  

jjorsett: The Democrats' main problem is that there's not enough lipstick in the world for their pig.


Be quiet. Adults are speaking.
 
2021-11-29 9:59:28 AM  

Loki009: 1) assuming that BBB passes it will be wildly successful as long as you don't refer to it by name
2) inflation will continue in the near term as we continue to recover from a global pandemic and likely moreso if omicron is half what it has the potential to be.
3) the GOP will continue to lie about BBB while bragging to their voters about all the good stuff as if they did that somehow even though they voted against it

So I'm going with BBB being wildly successful and getting the GOP back in power.


I suggest referring to the bill as 'the social welfare spending' bill. I'll bring this up to the senator.
 
2021-11-29 10:01:47 AM  
Until the conservative propaganda apparatus is regulated, accomplishments by the Democrats will be (1) downplayed, (2) lied about, and (3) credited as Republican accomplishments.

The ideal path is bipartisan legislation, but the Democrats won't cede a foot and the Republicans won't cede a nanometer.

Other than that, I hope everyone had a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
 
2021-11-29 10:04:02 AM  
Without all the unconstitutional voting rules enacted during the pandemic, Democrats won't have a prayer.
 
2021-11-29 10:05:01 AM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: Until the conservative propaganda apparatus is regulated, accomplishments by the Democrats will be (1) downplayed, (2) lied about, and (3) credited as Republican accomplishments.

The ideal path is bipartisan legislation, but the Democrats won't cede a foot and the Republicans won't cede a nanometer.

Other than that, I hope everyone had a safe and happy Thanksgiving.


Drinking alone in the dark with a Hungry Man chicken dinner. It was all I hoped it would be.
 
2021-11-29 10:05:06 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.


Follow the money...or rather who loses money...if it is passed / not passed.

Rich guys HATE paying for poor people to stay alive.
 
2021-11-29 10:06:15 AM  
Let's Build Back Bitter because we are all a bunch of sourpusses who are just going to sit in the backyard and eat worms.
 
2021-11-29 10:06:40 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.


Approval for the ACA has grown since passage

54% approve and want to keep it


The ACA get around 25 million people health insurance who hadn't had it


Much like social security and Medicare its a huge win and is becoming untouchable. Note how no republican is promising to repeal it
 
2021-11-29 10:07:04 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: BBB will do neither because BBB is never going to pass.


This. It wish it did, but it is DOA in the Senate.
 
2021-11-29 10:07:20 AM  

gunga galunga: qorkfiend: Elliot8654: Hey, republicans? If Build Back Better is causing inflation and high gas prices, why are those things also happening in other countries?

Or....and hear me out.....you're straight up lying for political points.

Yes. And?

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And this is the issue. Morons see Biden opening up the SPR for pricing relief and it retrenches the belief that the President controls these things.

I hate the fact that Democrats happily play the fool the GOP always makes them out to be.
 
2021-11-29 10:10:42 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: AdmirableSnackbar: It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it.

This is monumentally incorrect. It's why Dems are always playing defense -- they never crow about their victories. They think good governance will win them votes, and it does, but nowhere near a majority.

You gotta advertise that shiat. Perpetual campaign. Tell voters the good Dems have done and how Republicans are obsessed with wrecking it.


Oh come on.  They negotiate THEMSELVES down to what the think the Republicans will support.  And then the Republicans don't support the half-measures the Democrats finally propose.

Exact same thing happened with ACA.  It was a REPUBLICAN plan (from Romney and a rightwing think tank).  So the Dems negotiated themselves into a half-arsed healthcare bill, convinced somehow that the Republicans would support it and they DIDN'T.  In fact they spent years trying to gut it completely.  Hell, they RAN on gutting it completely.

Same thing here.  Initially 6 trillion, and they cut and shaved it until it was 30% of that,in the hope that the Republicans would support it.  They WON'T.

They should have proposed the entire 6 trillion and then got the Republicans to negotiate that down to maybe 4 instead of gutting the whole thing themselves to begin with.

Again, in the stupid hope that Republicans would support it.

Why are they the only people in the country who don't know the Republicans are there to obstruct everything?  How is that?
 
2021-11-29 10:11:39 AM  
I'll know when I go to buy a christmas tree. It's either going to be reasonably priced for an industry immune from Covidiots or I'm about to get soaked by some greedy people who probably profess to be christian but want to grab some cash from folks like me.
 
2021-11-29 10:15:14 AM  

YabbaDabbaDouchebag: The ideal path is bipartisan legislation


The ideal path when you have one party full of fascists and another party that is pretty much everyone else from SocDems to Corporate Interests is NOT bipartisan legislation, because any compromise between the two only brings the country closer to the fascist authoritarian dictatorship that the Republicans want. 

We need to get rid of this notion that bipartisanship is worthwhile, much less a good thing, when one of the two sides of that bipartisanship is fine with burning the country to the ground if it increases their own power and wealth. 

Bipartisanship is fine and dandy in the ideal world where the two sides of that bipartisanship both actively want to serve the people and govern society but are disagreeing on how best to do so. That is NOT what we have, and right now, bipartisanship is more of a liability than a force for good.
 
2021-11-29 10:31:44 AM  
Nope...

JFK and JFK Jr. are both coming back to life to take the Democrat reigns and (literally) kill the GQP and be the executive branch in 2024.

My source? Well.... let's just say it's MILITARY!
 
2021-11-29 10:36:33 AM  
Professor Farnsworth: [worried] We don't know. [Professor Farnsworth shrugs.] It could kill millions or nobody. I suppose it might even bring a few people back to life! [happy] Anything is possible in science.
 
2021-11-29 10:45:55 AM  
The problem is pretending Republicans have valid viewpoints. They don't.

Bulldoze Congressional rules unilaterally and bypass the twats. They can sue all they want but the courts DO NOT want to get involved in a seperation of powers debate for something like a chamber rules pissing match.

Besides, the Qberts will do it to you anyways. Pre-venge has a nice ring to it.
 
2021-11-29 10:48:02 AM  
Dems are cooked already. Their signature wins are a temporary child tax credit that none of its recipients are aware of and an infrastructure bill that they're deliberately giving credit to the Republicans for.

BBB isn't going to save them, but if they don't pass it they'll have nothing to show for unified control of government for two years. It's absolute political malfeasance.
 
2021-11-29 10:51:51 AM  

Scythed: Dems are cooked already. Their signature wins are a temporary child tax credit that none of its recipients are aware of and an infrastructure bill that they're deliberately giving credit to the Republicans for.

BBB isn't going to save them, but if they don't pass it they'll have nothing to show for unified control of government for two years. It's absolute political malfeasance.


Yeah, they really should be passing bills every week with that 60 seat majority they have in the house!
 
2021-11-29 10:53:41 AM  

Rent Party: Harry Freakstorm: My brother is R to the core.  But he admits Obamacare allowed him to purchase health insurance (he's self employed) and I'm guessing here - he fibs on his taxes so he gets the biggest, bestest discount.  Just a guess.

Said he would have been bankrupted had he gone through his hernia operation with out Ocare.  But that's no way to run a country.  I mentioned the 60+ times the R tried to repeal Obamacare and had they succeeded, he'd be on the hook for his $100k operation.  "Well, I'm glad they didn't" he says.

Curious as to what issues make him a requblican?

/ Guns?
// Gawd?
/// Gehys?


I think my dad was a Chicago Republican (they exist) and it rubbed off on him.  He runs a small business in a town that's mostly democrat at the local level and they keep trying to put him out of business with regulations and those 'laws'.  His one rant, and it's a good one, was if he wanted a loan from the city to improve his business, he'd have to 'hire' a guy who doesn't show up and he suspects the paycheck goes back to the democrats.

The Republicans, of course, would do away with all this and allow him to run his business the way he sees fit.
 
2021-11-29 11:01:18 AM  
Space Rock/Covid Omega - 2024
You owe us
 
2021-11-29 11:03:38 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.


The issue was that after ACA was passed but before it was fully implemented, it polled poorly, because, tada, it wasn't explained well.  Once it was actually implemented, it became much more popular.
 
2021-11-29 11:11:50 AM  

Geotpf: AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.

The issue was that after ACA was passed but before it was fully implemented, it polled poorly, because, tada, it wasn't explained well.  Once it was actually implemented, it became much more popular.


It's still extremely substandard. We need better.
 
2021-11-29 11:13:44 AM  

Loki009: Scythed: Dems are cooked already. Their signature wins are a temporary child tax credit that none of its recipients are aware of and an infrastructure bill that they're deliberately giving credit to the Republicans for.

BBB isn't going to save them, but if they don't pass it they'll have nothing to show for unified control of government for two years. It's absolute political malfeasance.

Yeah, they really should be passing bills every week with that 60 seat majority they have in the house!


I don't expect a New Deal-esque change in how America operates, but they can't even manage to raise the minimum wage because they're too terrified of challenging the Senate's completely broken parliamentary procedure. It's cowardice, and it's not going to be rewarded by voters.
 
2021-11-29 11:14:55 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.


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2021-11-29 11:35:18 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Geotpf: AdmirableSnackbar: FTFA: [some nobody Democratic centrist] said back then Obamacare "wasn't explained well."

It's not about explanations. If you enact good policy people will feel it. If you tell them about all the good you're doing and it doesn't really do anything for them (like ACA) it doesn't really matter what you say.

The hemming and hawing over things like paid family medical leave and other policies just makes people feel teased. You're telling them "we know you need this, but we just won't do it." Why are people going to vote for that? Easy answer: they're not.

The people also know that these bills should have passed months ago. There's no sense coming from Democrats that they actually care about what they're doing and no apparent urgency to get good things done. Messaging and explanations are no substitute for ideas and urgency to meet the moment.

The issue was that after ACA was passed but before it was fully implemented, it polled poorly, because, tada, it wasn't explained well.  Once it was actually implemented, it became much more popular.

It's still extremely substandard. We need better.


With our constitution, highly unlikely.  Rural conservatives have way too much power due to the design of our constitution favoring them unfairly.
 
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