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2021-11-29 9:03:21 AM  
Which just goes to reinforce the notion that intelligence and technical talent do not tend to lean right, which just works to the benefit of ... well, everyone but the right.  Good.  Keep exposing these roaches in every dark corner and angry cupboard they hide.  Darkness can't survive light.
 
2021-11-29 9:19:04 AM  
+1 HOTY vote for rhyming
 
2021-11-29 9:57:41 AM  
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The modern-day Klan hood.
 
2021-11-29 10:02:42 AM  
Hey now, and only days after being reminded over and over again that "cr*cker" is an intolerably offensive racial slur!
 
TWX
2021-11-29 10:03:16 AM  

Psychopusher: Which just goes to reinforce the notion that intelligence and technical talent do not tend to lean right, which just works to the benefit of ... well, everyone but the right.  Good.  Keep exposing these roaches in every dark corner and angry cupboard they hide.  Darkness can't survive light.


That only matters when there are sufficient repercussions for membership in these organizations.

Remember, throughout the decades the KKK vacillated between being an open-secret and being outright open in its membership rosters, and in some places it was essentially necessary to join them as one would join the Rotary Club or the Knights of Columbus in order to advance socially.  If having to be a member of the Klan in order to find support to sit on the city council or school board isn't being 'in the light' then I don't know what is.

That said I still agree with exposing those who willfully participate, but don't expect that mere exposure is enough.  Remember, business owners may be just as likely to participate as anyone else, and they certainly aren't going to be firing themselves.
 
2021-11-29 10:04:18 AM  
"Extremists, and extremist-friendly entities, have a noticeable shortage of even-tempered, thoughtful people doing even-tempered, thoughtful work at securing sites and managing personnel."

On the right. On the left, nobody can even find who they are 90% of the time.
 
2021-11-29 10:04:37 AM  

Psychopusher: Which just goes to reinforce the notion that intelligence and technical talent do not tend to lean right, which just works to the benefit of ... well, everyone but the right.  Good.  Keep exposing these roaches in every dark corner and angry cupboard they hide.  Darkness can't survive light.


Authoritarian mindsets value loyalty over competence, so the people who actually know what they're doing don't tend to really go far in authoritarian circles. Telling Dear Leader that what they want is physically impossible gets you fired, so a bullshiat artist sycophant will replace you.
 
2021-11-29 10:05:28 AM  

Nick Nostril: [Fark user image 620x372]

The modern-day Klan hood.


Which part?  The hat?  The mask?  Or the Moron Labia jacket?
 
TWX
2021-11-29 10:08:34 AM  

Nick Nostril: [Fark user image 620x372]

The modern-day Klan hood.


I find it rather ironic that people who seem to gravitate towards symbols of ancient warriors and their weapons seem to think that they're tough, that they're hard men, and that this toughness even really matters.  A lardass with a small caliber pistol and only minimal practice can be just as dangerous as they are as civilians, and none of them are as dangerous or deadly as a properly trained, frequently drilled and experienced army or marine unit.

If they go up against civilians then there's a good chance that they're dead, and if they go up against actual military units they're almost assuredly dead.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 10:13:33 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Psychopusher: Which just goes to reinforce the notion that intelligence and technical talent do not tend to lean right, which just works to the benefit of ... well, everyone but the right.  Good.  Keep exposing these roaches in every dark corner and angry cupboard they hide.  Darkness can't survive light.

Authoritarian mindsets value loyalty over competence, so the people who actually know what they're doing don't tend to really go far in authoritarian circles. Telling Dear Leader that what they want is physically impossible gets you fired, so a bullshiat artist sycophant will replace you.


It also doesn't help that most intelligent people don't care to be lower-level participants in the echo-chamber, even if they may agree with some of the tenets of the organization.  If one's goal is to truly contribute, merely contributing to reinforcing the ego of the person or persons at the top of such an organization isn't a particularly enjoyable experience.
 
2021-11-29 10:14:59 AM  
"Extremists, and extremist-friendly entities, have a noticeable shortage of even-tempered, thoughtful people doing even-tempered, thoughtful work at securing sites and managing personnel."

And this is why any online escapade by TFG is doomed to failure. That, and his hesitancy to pay his help.
 
2021-11-29 10:16:46 AM  
Not only do they need to hack these terrorist groups, but they also need to hack the terrorist administration we had in office from 2017-2021.

We'll wait.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 10:20:10 AM  

OhioUGrad: Not only do they need to hack these terrorist groups, but they also need to hack the terrorist administration we had in office from 2017-2021.

We'll wait.


Repercussions would be much more severe for anyone caught doing that.  The Secret Service would undoubtedly become involved, as would the FBI.

Remember, regardless of any potential righteousness for doing it, there are appearances to maintain, and while an investigative organization like the FBI might be able to choose to commit few resources to pursuing ethical hackers that target groups like the Proud Boys, if someone goes after current or former elected federal officials then they're going to respond to it.
 
2021-11-29 10:28:14 AM  
So I need an article to introduce me to a group that is supposedly exposing stuff?
 
2021-11-29 10:33:43 AM  
I believe the preferred term is "Saltine-American".
 
2021-11-29 10:34:33 AM  

TWX: OhioUGrad: Not only do they need to hack these terrorist groups, but they also need to hack the terrorist administration we had in office from 2017-2021.

We'll wait.

Repercussions would be much more severe for anyone caught doing that.  The Secret Service would undoubtedly become involved, as would the FBI.

Remember, regardless of any potential righteousness for doing it, there are appearances to maintain, and while an investigative organization like the FBI might be able to choose to commit few resources to pursuing ethical hackers that target groups like the Proud Boys, if someone goes after current or former elected federal officials then they're going to respond to it.


Agreed, however, not all hacktivists are white hat (some are gray hat), and not all of them live in the US and probably don't fear the US government as much as they'd enjoy exposing it.
 
2021-11-29 10:39:53 AM  

El Rich-o: Hey now, and only days after being reminded over and over again that "cr*cker" is an intolerably offensive racial slur!


I'm pretty sure that altering an offensive word so that it's no longer offensive is "filter evasion." Apparently, we're supposed to leave in offensive racial slurs so that the filter can catch them and delete our posts, instead of just altering them so that they're no longer offensive.

Or so I gather.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 10:48:16 AM  

Johnny the Tackling Alzheimers Patient: I believe the preferred term is "Saltine-American".


I knew a guy whose nickname was Triscuit.
 
2021-11-29 10:49:30 AM  

El Rich-o: Hey now, and only days after being reminded over and over again that "cr*cker" is an intolerably offensive racial slur!


As a cracker myself... i'll get over it.
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Well waddaya know, over it.
 
2021-11-29 10:50:00 AM  
It also doesn't help that most intelligent people don't care to be lower-level participants in the echo-chamber, even if they may agree with some of the tenets of the organization. If one's goal is to truly contribute, merely contributing to reinforcing the ego of the person or persons at the top of such an organization isn't a particularly enjoyable experience.

Almost 75 million voters disagreed with this statement last year.
 
2021-11-29 10:57:47 AM  
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TWX
2021-11-29 11:01:24 AM  

Smoking GNU: El Rich-o: Hey now, and only days after being reminded over and over again that "cr*cker" is an intolerably offensive racial slur!

As a cracker myself... i'll get over it.
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Well waddaya know, over it.


My theory is that when one is part of the race that holds most of the power in a society or country, being on the receiving end of racism usually only results in minor to moderate inconvenience.  Someone from a marginalized race cannot usually significantly impact the options or opportunities of someone from the race wielding power without resorting to outright violence, which usually crosses a threshold where authorities are more likely to respond.
Bigotry against an already marginalized group is significantly more impactful because that group already lacks options and opportunities, and even bigotry that leads to violence might fail to capture the attention of the authorities, or those authorities might themselves join-in.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 11:02:31 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: [Fark user image 425x387]


A store had some barstools for sale, they were brown and natural wood finish. Their signs said "brown stool" and "natural stool".
 
2021-11-29 11:04:05 AM  
I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.
 
2021-11-29 11:13:42 AM  

GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.


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Why do you hate the Greatest Generation?
 
2021-11-29 11:18:20 AM  

i state your name: GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.

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Why do you hate the Greatest Generation?


He's a nazi wannabe?
 
2021-11-29 11:22:22 AM  
Interesting. Typically it's the far-right wearing the white hats (though accompanied by robes).
 
2021-11-29 11:26:17 AM  

GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.


Everybody but the far right are antifascists. Thanks for outing yourself. Maybe they should dox you.
 
2021-11-29 11:28:59 AM  

abbarach: Nick Nostril: [Fark user image 620x372]

The modern-day Klan hood.

Which part?  The hat?  The mask?  Or the Moron Labia jacket?


I guess the hat and mask would be the hood part. The Greek tough-guy jacket, the dress, or whatever they call the body cover part.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 11:41:51 AM  

GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.


I guess it's time to explain again, that Antifa is not a centrally-managed, organized group.  No one legitimately holds ultimate authority in it, because it's a concept that manifests when a significant number of people choose to act because of what they individually perceive of as fascism.

Obviously people that subscribe to the ideals of Antifa may out of necessity organize themselves in order to act, but those groups, once their immediate goals have been met, have no reason to remain cohesive, and any position of leadership among them will undoubtedly be temporary and only would survive with confidence for the duration of whatever specific response was called for.

When there's no fascism, there's no Antifa.  Antifa doesn't subscribe to create anything, only to stop something else that manifests from time to time.  Anyone claiming otherwise isn't serving to combat fascism but to do something else, probably to build their own power for themselves, which within the mindset of Antifa is basically anathema.

You may as well say, "hack the goths," "hack the nerds," or, "hack the sports fans," as those would be just as applicable.  And I am aware that you might have said what you said satirically, but these days it's essentially impossible to tell and erring on the side that someone's words are at face-value seems more accurate.
 
2021-11-29 11:49:04 AM  
Hacktivists aren't ethical hackers.
 
2021-11-29 11:59:23 AM  

TWX: That only matters when there are sufficient repercussions for membership in these organizations.


There have been quite a few who have gotten fired because of their newly revealed affiliations, any many who also participated in 1/6 have been arrested because the leaks revealed their contact info.

TWX: Remember, throughout the decades the KKK vacillated between being an open-secret and being outright open in its membership rosters, and in some places it was essentially necessary to join them as one would join the Rotary Club or the Knights of Columbus in order to advance socially. If having to be a member of the Klan in order to find support to sit on the city council or school board isn't being 'in the light' then I don't know what is.


Those were at a time when blatant racism in America wasn't seen as nearly the social taboo that it is today.  Times have dramatically changed -- though you wouldn't think so to see how many racist piece of shiat roaches crawled out of the corners when TFG appeared -- and that sort of thing is comprehensively frowned upon by civil society today -- and civil society is still the majority.

TWX: That said I still agree with exposing those who willfully participate, but don't expect that mere exposure is enough. Remember, business owners may be just as likely to participate as anyone else, and they certainly aren't going to be firing themselves.


Of course, it isn't going to be a panacea to all of this, but I think this sort of exposure will get enough people fired at the very least that it could work as a detriment to further recruiting.  It's a start at the very least, and not at bad one at that.
 
2021-11-29 12:21:15 PM  
Fark the Hateriots.  Let em get exposed.  This isn't doxing of public servants or crime victims, its of criminals.
 
TWX
2021-11-29 12:22:46 PM  

Psychopusher: Those were at a time when blatant racism in America wasn't seen as nearly the social taboo that it is today. Times have dramatically changed -- though you wouldn't think so to see how many racist piece of shiat roaches crawled out of the corners when TFG appeared -- and that sort of thing is comprehensively frowned upon by civil society today -- and civil society is still the majority.


Yes, but civil society can grow tired of fighting.  Look at the setbacks that have been seen since the 1960s civil rights movement, the rollback of protections and safeguards.  It's not a stretch to see that without continued vigilance, which people tire of, the forces that would selfishly promote bigotry and other ills will manage to retake lost ground.
 
2021-11-29 12:40:11 PM  

TWX: Yes, but civil society can grow tired of fighting. Look at the setbacks that have been seen since the 1960s civil rights movement, the rollback of protections and safeguards. It's not a stretch to see that without continued vigilance, which people tire of, the forces that would selfishly promote bigotry and other ills will manage to retake lost ground.


The recent setbacks though have all been in red-controlled states, which is pretty obvious to anyone paying any degree of attention.  And while people may eventually get tired of continued vigilance, I don't think we've hit that point, not when it comes to social justice.  Maybe one day, but that day is not today, so we all need to keep fighting the good fight and hope we can, with continued legwork, stomp the roaches back into their hidey-holes like they were pre-TFG so civil society can get back to just keeping them in check, not actively fighting them off.
 
2021-11-29 12:51:33 PM  

OhioUGrad: TWX: OhioUGrad: Not only do they need to hack these terrorist groups, but they also need to hack the terrorist administration we had in office from 2017-2021.

We'll wait.

Repercussions would be much more severe for anyone caught doing that.  The Secret Service would undoubtedly become involved, as would the FBI.

Remember, regardless of any potential righteousness for doing it, there are appearances to maintain, and while an investigative organization like the FBI might be able to choose to commit few resources to pursuing ethical hackers that target groups like the Proud Boys, if someone goes after current or former elected federal officials then they're going to respond to it.

Agreed, however, not all hacktivists are white hat (some are gray hat), and not all of them live in the US and probably don't fear the US government as much as they'd enjoy exposing it.


None of these ethical hackers are white hats.

They are going in without permission and then releasing what they find to the public instead of helping the client harden its position.

That does not mean what they are doing is wrong, just not legal and not "white hat".
 
TWX
2021-11-29 12:54:32 PM  

Psychopusher: TWX: Yes, but civil society can grow tired of fighting. Look at the setbacks that have been seen since the 1960s civil rights movement, the rollback of protections and safeguards. It's not a stretch to see that without continued vigilance, which people tire of, the forces that would selfishly promote bigotry and other ills will manage to retake lost ground.

The recent setbacks though have all been in red-controlled states, which is pretty obvious to anyone paying any degree of attention.  And while people may eventually get tired of continued vigilance, I don't think we've hit that point, not when it comes to social justice.  Maybe one day, but that day is not today, so we all need to keep fighting the good fight and hope we can, with continued legwork, stomp the roaches back into their hidey-holes like they were pre-TFG so civil society can get back to just keeping them in check, not actively fighting them off.


Of course they have.  Why would those setbacks happen anywhere else?

Now consider that states like Arizona have a majority in Congress that are Democratic (5 vs 4 of the 9 reps) both senators are Democratic, but the state legislature and governorship are still firmly in Republican hands.  There's enough interest in the Democratic position to put this pretty heavily gerrymandered state to Democratic representation at the federal level, but the Republicans still manage to maintain their grip when there are so many more districts to gerrymander for more local representation.  The goals of this gerrymandered representational majority seem to manage to carry out their objectives despite clear evidence that the population as a whole has other ideas.
 
2021-11-29 1:20:28 PM  

El Rich-o: Hey now, and only days after being reminded over and over again that "cr*cker" is an intolerably offensive racial slur!


I was denied a bank loan immediately after reading this headline!
 
2021-11-29 1:56:02 PM  

cautionflag: It also doesn't help that most intelligent people don't care to be lower-level participants in the echo-chamber, even if they may agree with some of the tenets of the organization. If one's goal is to truly contribute, merely contributing to reinforcing the ego of the person or persons at the top of such an organization isn't a particularly enjoyable experience.

Almost 75 million voters disagreed with this statement last year.


Yeah, the sentence before the one you bolded clears that up.
 
2021-11-29 4:45:04 PM  

Psychopusher: Which just goes to reinforce the notion that intelligence and technical talent do not tend to lean right,


...except for thousands of people coming out of the military every year who somehow haven't figured out that their serious adversaries around the world tend to be right-wing authoritarian regimes, and instead buy into the propaganda about non-whites, non-conservatives and non-Christians being the problem.

TWX: It also doesn't help that most intelligent people don't care to be lower-level participants in the echo-chamber, even if they may agree with some of the tenets of the organization.  If one's goal is to truly contribute, merely contributing to reinforcing the ego of the person or persons at the top of such an organization isn't a particularly enjoyable experience.


Yeah, this.  The seriously intelligent people in intelligence, career ones with a laundry list of caveats on their clearances, have extremely well-tuned bullshiat detectors and do not buy into the propaganda that all the grunts suck up.
 
2021-11-30 3:38:27 PM  

i state your name: GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.

[i.redd.it image 621x499]
Why do you hate the Greatest Generation?


D day was June 6th, 1944.
 
2021-11-30 7:05:18 PM  

dsmith42: i state your name: GreenSun: I hope those "hacktivists" also hack the Antifa, those far left extremists.

[i.redd.it image 621x499]
Why do you hate the Greatest Generation?

D day was June 6th, 1944.


They graduated from WW II in 1945?
I don't know, I didn't make the meme. I'm a farker, clearly I stole it.
 
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