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2021-11-29 8:38:08 AM  
Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools. Then there's the whole climate change deal making it almost cruel to have children for a world that can't sustain them.

The capitalists created an environment where people actively do not want children because there are more reasons not to than there are reasons to have children. And "the economy" - really just a term for wealthy people's feelings in the US - is not an incentive to have children when the economy only works against you.
 
2021-11-29 8:47:24 AM  
For whose economy?
 
2021-11-29 8:50:38 AM  
Then maybe we need to address income disparity, because some folks are bright enough to realize that raising kids when you're poor ain't easy. Don't get mad when the younger generation turns out to be brighter than you thought.
 
2021-11-29 8:56:13 AM  
Ok, free college, affordable health care, subsidized child care, and paid leave for parents to take care of kids?

Pass all of that and watch the bastards start popping out like crazy.
 
2021-11-29 9:02:49 AM  
GOP: no, you can't have free health care, no, you can't have paid leave, no, you can't have free childcare, no you can't have a living wage to pay for childcare. And immigrants? Don't even think about it.

What do you mean we have a population growth problem?
 
2021-11-29 9:07:43 AM  
Can't help ya, capitalists killed the family.
 
2021-11-29 9:08:51 AM  
There are other solutions...

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2021-11-29 9:09:51 AM  

SurfaceTension: There are other solutions...

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Ah the Texas, Ohio, and Taliban method
 
2021-11-29 9:10:56 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools. Then there's the whole climate change deal making it almost cruel to have children for a world that can't sustain them.

The capitalists created an environment where people actively do not want children because there are more reasons not to than there are reasons to have children. And "the economy" - really just a term for wealthy people's feelings in the US - is not an incentive to have children when the economy only works against you.


Yep

And the bought out press will never bring up the truth bec that is unmurcan.

Kids were an asset on the farm.  In the city they are expensive

Murcans are figuring that out.....
 
2021-11-29 9:11:04 AM  
If only there were groups of young people from other places that wanted to come into the country and work.
 
2021-11-29 9:11:16 AM  

nmrsnr: GOP: no, you can't have free health care, no, you can't have paid leave, no, you can't have free childcare, no you can't have a living wage to pay for childcare. And immigrants? Don't even think about it.

What do you mean we have a population growth problem?


Well, the other side of the coin is that European countries have those things alone with below replacement level birth rates as well.
 
2021-11-29 9:11:35 AM  

Alphax: For whose economy?


The lazy sit at home stock owners economy.....
 
2021-11-29 9:13:06 AM  

nmrsnr: GOP: no, you can't have free health care, no, you can't have paid leave, no, you can't have free childcare, no you can't have a living wage to pay for childcare. And immigrants? Don't even think about it.

What do you mean we have a population growth problem?


The big business owned press is lying to you for their own ends.
 
2021-11-29 9:13:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Can't help ya, capitalists killed the family.


It is a hellava drug
 
2021-11-29 9:15:21 AM  

hubiestubert: Then maybe we need to address income disparity, because some folks are bright enough to realize that raising kids when you're poor ain't easy. Don't get mad when the younger generation turns out to be brighter than you thought.


It was never easy.  Its just harder now than it used to be.
 
2021-11-29 9:17:54 AM  

bostonguy: nmrsnr: GOP: no, you can't have free health care, no, you can't have paid leave, no, you can't have free childcare, no you can't have a living wage to pay for childcare. And immigrants? Don't even think about it.

What do you mean we have a population growth problem?

Well, the other side of the coin is that European countries have those things alone with below replacement level birth rates as well.


They have always been ahead of US
 
2021-11-29 9:21:56 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.


As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.
 
2021-11-29 9:23:01 AM  
My oldest just told me yesterday he hasn't interest in ever having kids. I told him that's fine so long as he promises to never call his pets furbabies.
 
Juc
2021-11-29 9:30:50 AM  
I can barely afford to have one child. Unless my income increases massively so that my wife could stay home a second would be nearly impossible. Or her awake could go way up I suppose.

A single income household is pretty uncommon
 
2021-11-29 9:32:07 AM  
Three of my neighbors would like kids, but cannot afford the fertility treatments, so they have none.  Make that cheaper somehow and they might try.

I was lucky in that my insurance covered some IVF, but meds were stupid expensive, even when sourcing them from overseas.
 
2021-11-29 9:44:33 AM  

hubiestubert: Then maybe we need to address income disparity, because some folks are bright enough to realize that raising kids when you're poor ain't easy.


Again, that makes sense on the surface.

Except the fact is that birth rates in developed nations are lowest among the most affluent.  The more money and resources you have, the fewer children you have.  It seems counter-intuitive, but that's what the stats show.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/562541/birth-rate-by-poverty-status-in-the-us/
 
2021-11-29 9:51:21 AM  
Get to work, Trevor and Carol!!
 
2021-11-29 9:51:25 AM  
The Mormons and other theocratic derpers got ya covered, 'murica. Cletus is working on that family tree.
 
2021-11-29 9:55:09 AM  

Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.


I think the declining birthrates are a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. Our economies have been so topheavy for so long that this result was inevitable. We're just now seeing the first generation in a long time to have it much, much worse than their parents and grandparents reaching the point where they should have had children a decade or so ago, and they haven't for those reasons. Fix it now and birth rates will start to climb in 10-20 years. Failing to fix it...well...
 
2021-11-29 9:59:21 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools. Then there's the whole climate change deal making it almost cruel to have children for a world that can't sustain them.

The capitalists created an environment where people actively do not want children because there are more reasons not to than there are reasons to have children. And "the economy" - really just a term for wealthy people's feelings in the US - is not an incentive to have children when the economy only works against you.


Not really. The poor state of healthcare goes back to slavery in the USA.  Same for climate change.  The same outdated government institutions (electoral college and senate, lack of social democracy), are blocking critical legislation to fix problems because one or two corrupt elected officials say no.
In the US we will survive and thrive, developing nations will not, and there will be a substantial amount of conflict and famine in store for them.
 
2021-11-29 10:01:33 AM  

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Or we allow more immigration.
 
2021-11-29 10:07:02 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: My oldest just told me yesterday he hasn't interest in ever having kids. I told him that's fine so long as he promises to never call his pets furbabies.


The whole furbaby thing really irritates me.  I have three dogs and no kids.  The dogs are rescue mutts and the kids are "ain't happening".
 
2021-11-29 10:08:17 AM  
Here's hoping the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement takes hold in a big way.
 
2021-11-29 10:17:09 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Here's hoping the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement takes hold in a big way.


Live long and die out!
 
2021-11-29 10:21:53 AM  
Can't we just import them from China, like everything else?
 
2021-11-29 10:25:28 AM  

Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.


Just because they have the support means they can afford kids still.
 
2021-11-29 10:25:56 AM  

Dinjiin: Three of my neighbors would like kids, but cannot afford the fertility treatments, so they have none.  Make that cheaper somehow and they might try.

I was lucky in that my insurance covered some IVF, but meds were stupid expensive, even when sourcing them from overseas.


Is there something in the water there?
 
2021-11-29 10:27:42 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.

I think the declining birthrates are a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. Our economies have been so topheavy for so long that this result was inevitable. We're just now seeing the first generation in a long time to have it much, much worse than their parents and grandparents reaching the point where they should have had children a decade or so ago, and they haven't for those reasons. Fix it now and birth rates will start to climb in 10-20 years. Failing to fix it...well...


Except that falling birthrates have been a thing for a very long time.  As soon as people have access to birth control and enough health care to make sure that 1-2 kids survive (which isn't much) the birth rate plummets- it has nothing to do with social or economic policies

For example, Finland has one of the most family friendly set of government policies out there- maternity and paternity allowances, generous health care, parental leave, even a basket of goodies for new parents.  Finland's birth rate is 1.35/woman.  That number hasn't changed substantially since *1970* when it was 1.5, despite government attempts to raise it via even more generous benefits.  50 years of really, really high level support of the kind you want has resulted in a 0.15 child/woman decrease over those 50 years.

Altering US social policy will do *nothing* to cure falling birth rates.  They simply aren't linked in the way you want them to be.
 
2021-11-29 10:50:05 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.

I think the declining birthrates are a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. Our economies have been so topheavy for so long that this result was inevitable. We're just now seeing the first generation in a long time to have it much, much worse than their parents and grandparents reaching the point where they should have had children a decade or so ago, and they haven't for those reasons. Fix it now and birth rates will start to climb in 10-20 years. Failing to fix it...well...


Except that falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economic malaise you describe. In fact it is the EXACT OPPOSITE. The poorer you are (globally and nationally) the more children you end up having. Our nation (and every other nation regardless of how progressive they are)  faces a declining birthrate because things are better.

The economic stress seen by my generation (millennial) was predicted in the 80s and turned out almost exactly as was predicted. We will have to make more and get less because our parents will be very expensive to take care of and there will be fewer of "us". I am down for debating and changing the economic system. However, not every problem is caused by tEh CaPiTaLiStS.
 
2021-11-29 10:58:57 AM  
Raise wages - people can afford kids
Fix healthcare - people can care for kids
Make the world worth living - people want kids.

More kids = less abortion, more church goers, a return to stable families, shares the tax burden, etc.

Conservatives want all of this and then erect multiple roadblocks to stop it. You'd think they're idiots or crazy. Or both.
 
2021-11-29 11:06:21 AM  
I still see plenty of people popping out babies (unfortunately, a good chuck are people that probably shouldn't be having kids). If anything, we should be encouraging people not to have kids.
 
2021-11-29 11:12:07 AM  

b2theory: AdmirableSnackbar: Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.

I think the declining birthrates are a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. Our economies have been so topheavy for so long that this result was inevitable. We're just now seeing the first generation in a long time to have it much, much worse than their parents and grandparents reaching the point where they should have had children a decade or so ago, and they haven't for those reasons. Fix it now and birth rates will start to climb in 10-20 years. Failing to fix it...well...

Except that falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economic malaise you describe. In fact it is the EXACT OPPOSITE. The poorer you are (globally and nationally) the more children you end up having. Our nation (and every other nation regardless of how progressive they are)  faces a declining birthrate because things are better.

The economic stress seen by my generation (millennial) was predicted in the 80s and turned out almost exactly as was predicted. We will have to make more and get less because our parents will be very expensive to take care of and there will be fewer of "us". I am down for debating and changing the economic system. However, not every problem is caused by tEh CaPiTaLiStS.


The elderly in this country are the wealthiest age group by far.  I was looking into assisted living for my FIL this past week.  In my area they were bought up over the past 20 years by private equity and are now "luxury senior living" rather than dormitories for the old and sick but still mobile.  They now have granite counter top kitchens in every suite, three gourmet meals a day, gym, movie theater, doctors that visit your room, and your laundry and room are cleaned daily.  Of course it's $5k/month for the apartment, then a la carte for anything over that.  Given the stonks recently, many seniors found out they can sell their shiatty home to a millennial for $500k and live in a luxury hotel for more than a decade risk free.
It's more like the seniors are contributing a lot to the economy and doing so locally.  Unlike the multi-generational trust fund idiots like the Pritzkers who pay no taxes and have the majority of their wealth abroad.  The country really can't afford to subsidize obscene wealth tax-free any longer.  We can easily afford the elderly, the money is more than paid back.
 
2021-11-29 11:19:34 AM  
Ever since the dawn of time, the aristocrats have had but one complaint.

"You can't get good help these days."

Overpopulation has been the driving force behind resource depletion and climate change, but heaven forbid there be fewer chumps to exploit.
 
2021-11-29 11:21:02 AM  

lizyrd: Dinjiin: Three of my neighbors would like kids, but cannot afford the fertility treatments, so they have none.  Make that cheaper somehow and they might try.

I was lucky in that my insurance covered some IVF, but meds were stupid expensive, even when sourcing them from overseas.

Is there something in the water there?


Age and various medical issues.  Most of my neighbors with kids started young and now have 2 or 3.
 
2021-11-29 11:22:33 AM  
So, It's like a pyramid scheme.
 
2021-11-29 11:24:17 AM  
I'm one of those child-less folks on the fence, approaching middle age. My salary is just high enough to not catch any breaks tax-wise or deal-wise with medical expenses. The home we live in is rented because we can't afford a house, and it's too small for children. My annual PTO is pathetic; just a single medical issue from last JAN juiced every day I had for this year. So how on Earth might that look in a birthing/parenting equation?

There is no value proposition here. It sucks. I see the look on the faces of my friends who've had kids recently. They're trying so hard and look so hopeless and defeated. It's awful. Sure, I think we'd make great parents and I  see the potential for joy in a family. But this all looks staggeringly uphill the way things are set up right now.
 
2021-11-29 11:40:12 AM  
I'm doing my part. 5 kids, 5 grandchildren plus 2 more on the way.
 
2021-11-29 11:50:59 AM  

Northern: b2theory: AdmirableSnackbar: Doc Daneeka: AdmirableSnackbar: Health care is unaffordable - have you seen how much it costs just to give birth in a hospital in the US? - and there's no paid family medical leave, daycare is ridiculously expensive, as are any decent schools.

As a parent, I agree with the need to address all of these things.  We really need paid family leave and government policies to mitigate the extremely high costs of having and raising kids.  It will be good for the public and good for the economy as well.

I disagree, though, that doing these things will have any effect in reversing falling birthrates.  Mainly because pretty much all other developed nations which do have generous social welfare and family support policies, also have plummeting birthrates.

We should give more support to parents and kids because it's the right thing to do, but the existence of that support does not seem to encourage people to have more kids.  Nor do I think, given the climate situation, that policies actively promoting perpetual population growth would be wise, even if they were effective.

For the purposes of stemming off population decline and keeping the economy supplied with a younger generation of workers, the US and Europe should accept more immigration.

I think the declining birthrates are a trailing indicator, not a leading indicator. Our economies have been so topheavy for so long that this result was inevitable. We're just now seeing the first generation in a long time to have it much, much worse than their parents and grandparents reaching the point where they should have had children a decade or so ago, and they haven't for those reasons. Fix it now and birth rates will start to climb in 10-20 years. Failing to fix it...well...

Except that falling birthrates have nothing to do with the economic malaise you describe. In fact it is the EXACT OPPOSITE. The poorer you are (globally and nationally) the more children you end up having. Our nation (and every ...


I hate to say this but all talk regarding the wealthy and their lack of paying taxes is a pointless distraction. That is not to say that I would be upset if we taxed them more. I do worry about the unintended consequences for corporate governance if there is a wealth tax, but it is an emotional discussion that won't have any material consequences.

The amount spending we are about to do on Social Security and Medicare on an annualized basis is about to get farking crazy. We need to increase taxes on everyone. Elon, Jeff and Bill's total wealth is a rounding error in this context.
 
2021-11-29 11:54:19 AM  
My dog is a member of my 2 man pack and not my child.
 
2021-11-29 12:06:07 PM  
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2021-11-29 12:07:09 PM  

Vurcease: I'm one of those child-less folks on the fence, approaching middle age. My salary is just high enough to not catch any breaks tax-wise or deal-wise with medical expenses. The home we live in is rented because we can't afford a house, and it's too small for children. My annual PTO is pathetic; just a single medical issue from last JAN juiced every day I had for this year. So how on Earth might that look in a birthing/parenting equation?

There is no value proposition here. It sucks. I see the look on the faces of my friends who've had kids recently. They're trying so hard and look so hopeless and defeated. It's awful. Sure, I think we'd make great parents and I  see the potential for joy in a family. But this all looks staggeringly uphill the way things are set up right now.


You sized up the cost/benefit analysis correctly. If you have a quiet life, why sign up for more stress and pain? Going down the Viktor Frankl route I will tell you that we are hard wired to find profound meaning in our children. I don't get why some people lament their kids growing up and long for the fresh baby months. Every year my kids get more interesting. Their struggles remind me of my struggles. It is a reminder of how far I have come and how hard they are working to get through. It is brutal and it will completely redefine your life.

I recently had the first serious medical event of my life. Over the period I was sitting on the gurney and waiting for blood work, all I could think of was my kids. I live for work and learning, but I was unprepared for how quickly and unconsciously my priorities had changed.
 
2021-11-29 12:13:51 PM  

MBZ321: I still see plenty of people popping out babies (unfortunately, a good chuck are people that probably shouldn't be having kids). If anything, we should be encouraging people not to have kids.


This sounds horribly racist, but if we could introduce good birth control into all those countries who need it, it would solve so many problems.  Every time i watch the news, it's about refugees from war/climate change/gangs/choose your adventure who are  just stuck somewhere on a border.  If  they are lucky they're in a camp, and those are not much.  Sometimes thousands of them. And most of them have five or six kids. Babies.  Babies that were  born in refugee camps.  I saw with eight children, he really wanted out of Afghanistan.  I bet.  But he had eight kids!  who knows what happened to his wife.  In Africa, they still die from having babies.

But nobody can say a word, because religion.
 
2021-11-29 12:48:35 PM  
I am sure that any day now Republicans will use their sharp powers of observation and reason to realize that the unsustainable rise in housing costs and healthcare costs are behind the falling birth rate.

In other news: hahahahaha NO.
 
2021-11-29 12:51:09 PM  

cryinoutloud: MBZ321: I still see plenty of people popping out babies (unfortunately, a good chuck are people that probably shouldn't be having kids). If anything, we should be encouraging people not to have kids.

This sounds horribly racist, but if we could introduce good birth control into all those countries who need it, it would solve so many problems.  Every time i watch the news, it's about refugees from war/climate change/gangs/choose your adventure who are  just stuck somewhere on a border.  If  they are lucky they're in a camp, and those are not much.  Sometimes thousands of them. And most of them have five or six kids. Babies.  Babies that were  born in refugee camps.  I saw with eight children, he really wanted out of Afghanistan.  I bet.  But he had eight kids!  who knows what happened to his wife.  In Africa, they still die from having babies.

But nobody can say a word, because religion.


The words you are looking for are not birth control but women's empowerment.

Birth rates fall everywhere women get access to money, power, and education.

It's almost as though it's not too hard for women to figure out that little life of grinding out babies is actually not that fulfilling.
 
2021-11-29 12:54:14 PM  
If you want women aged 25-35 to start having more kids try:

1. Reform higher education funding so young families aren't dealing with enormous levels of debt due to student loans.

2. Find some way to make state funded childcare a thing. Everyone thinks it's already a thing, because it's something that sounds like it would be a thing in a country that has its shiat together, but it's not a thing so in a good chunk of the country families with two incomes have to fork out somewhere around $20k/child/year in daycare for five years per child. Some variation by region. You want women to have three kids? Someone is coughing up a $300,000 for childcare. Amazingly, this discourages a lot of people from having more than one kid. Weird, I know.

3. Paid maternity and paternity leave would be nice too. Again,  most people think this is a thing already, again because it sounds like should be a thing in a country with its shiat together, but it's not a thing. The current deal is: We're required to hold your job for a few weeks while you go without pay during a time when you're dealing with a large number of acute expenses.Which somehow doesn't encourage women to have lots of kids. 🤔🤔🤔
 
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