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2021-11-29 12:48:28 AM  
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2021-11-29 4:31:34 AM  
Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.
 
2021-11-29 4:45:20 AM  

Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.


Or ooga booga big Pharma Bill Gates Fauci bucks.
 
2021-11-29 4:46:38 AM  

Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.


Deep State trying to repress my freedoms, totes.
 
2021-11-29 4:51:01 AM  
This is bad news for non-Japanese people who wanted to buy used panties from a vending machine this holiday season.
 
2021-11-29 4:52:45 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: This is bad news for non-Japanese people who wanted to buy used panties from a vending machine this holiday season.


That's okay, there's still plenty of Gamer Girl Bathwater floating around.
 
2021-11-29 4:53:20 AM  

Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.


You gotta be impressed with how many other nations we roped in, no?
 
2021-11-29 4:54:07 AM  
Only time you would really want to visit japan to see its beauty is when sakuras are in bloom


Otherwise you specifically avoid the holidays so its not crowded with idiots
 
2021-11-29 4:55:33 AM  
Shogun begins once again gai gin.
 
2021-11-29 5:07:06 AM  
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2021-11-29 5:08:38 AM  
I just posted this concern in a different thread, but... I really find it disconcerting that this new variant is being reported as something we don't know much about, and doesn't look like something to worry you.

But, governments around the world are going full President Madagascar all of a sudden.

Someone here is panicking an incorrect amount. And I am worried that it might be me, since these governments have better information and expert guidance than I have.
 
2021-11-29 5:08:46 AM  
It's so weird to see that there are countries that can do this and not have people screaming over it. When some Western countries announced restricted flights from South Africa there was a woman given screentime on BBC to call it racist.  Our borders are more of a suggestion anyway so it doesn't matter, but come on.
 
2021-11-29 5:12:53 AM  

Captain Shaky: I just posted this concern in a different thread, but... I really find it disconcerting that this new variant is being reported as something we don't know much about, and doesn't look like something to worry you.

But, governments around the world are going full President Madagascar all of a sudden.

Someone here is panicking an incorrect amount. And I am worried that it might be me, since these governments have better information and expert guidance than I have.


Honestly, I'd rather have global governments overreact than underreact.

Overreact? A few weeks of being inconvenienced.

Underreact? Well, that's how we got here.
 
2021-11-29 5:29:13 AM  

Captain Shaky: I just posted this concern in a different thread, but... I really find it disconcerting that this new variant is being reported as something we don't know much about, and doesn't look like something to worry you.

But, governments around the world are going full President Madagascar all of a sudden.

Someone here is panicking an incorrect amount. And I am worried that it might be me, since these governments have better information and expert guidance than I have.


It's a culture thing. Like guns in the U.S..

But to say everyone is happy about it, when Aus and the U.K. have very vocal people constantly criticizing the lockdowns, Japan isn't all that different. But the government says, and the government does. And Japan citizens so far are OK enough about it to not turn into Americans about it. How long that lasts, time will tell. But not everyone over there is happy about it.
 
2021-11-29 5:29:51 AM  
Ah, yes, the old "our own country's citizens surely won't be infected but your country's citizens are all diseased monsters".

Unless a country requires everyone who enters to quarantine, travel restrictions are just political theater.
 
2021-11-29 5:36:59 AM  

VoiceOfReason499: Ah, yes, the old "our own country's citizens surely won't be infected but your country's citizens are all diseased monsters".

Unless a country requires everyone who enters to quarantine, travel restrictions are just political theater.


Soo - what Japan is doing?
 
2021-11-29 5:38:47 AM  

freakdiablo: Captain Shaky: I just posted this concern in a different thread, but... I really find it disconcerting that this new variant is being reported as something we don't know much about, and doesn't look like something to worry you.

But, governments around the world are going full President Madagascar all of a sudden.

Someone here is panicking an incorrect amount. And I am worried that it might be me, since these governments have better information and expert guidance than I have.

Honestly, I'd rather have global governments overreact than underreact.

Overreact? A few weeks of being inconvenienced.

Underreact? Well, that's how we got here.


Yes, but Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Epsilon, Zeta, Eta, Theta, Iota, Kappa, Lambda, and Mu variants didn't get much response. (Yes, all of these exist, no, there isn't a Nu or Xi variant).  Delta got a smaller than this response, but it put in the work first.

The doctor in South Africa says that Omicron causes cold-like symptoms, but doesn't cause any of the scary symptoms like loss of taste and smell.

We are all pretty sure these countries are just overreacting responsibly and not privy to scarier info than I have seen, right? Because this is a much bigger step than regional mask mandates and whatnot.
 
2021-11-29 5:40:31 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: When some Western countries announced restricted flights from South Africa there was a woman given screentime on BBC to call it racist.


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2021-11-29 5:43:59 AM  

ToughActinProlactin: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: This is bad news for non-Japanese people who wanted to buy used panties from a vending machine this holiday season.

That's okay, there's still plenty of Gamer Girl Bathwater floating around.


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2021-11-29 5:47:45 AM  
Welcome to my hell. I have been away from Fark for a bit because ... well... where to start?

So my family in the US has teachers, health workers, high-risk olds and even newborns and everyone has been cruising through this whole COVID thing and dodging bullets left and right because... YAY they live mostly in states where people by and large wear masks and deal with COVID sanely. And it was looking like, despite the death of a centenarian matriarch over a year ago, everyone was going to make it through. As far as I know, the whole family has been vaccinated... THREE times.

Until a nonCOVID health event left a...let's say a KEY family member fighting for his life. One whole region of the US family tree relied on this man for just about everything. With him helpless, things crumbled overnight. Pretty soon it became two health crises when a dependent family member lost his daily support, and in an area with no lodging or relatives to support visits and supervision of care. The GenX members of the family are struggling to keep their own families afloat. The Boomers are not travelling because they are at-risk. Anyone younger is trying to keep a job.

Here is the part of the movie where I am supposed to go sailing in to the rescue. I can hold the load until things get over the hump and others can find their footing. Filial duty.

But I am stuck in Japan. If I get to the US, I should quarantine for two weeks. Then I hope my Japanese certification of vaccination is good enough to get me into a US hospital to visit for the one hour a day allowed under COVID restrictions. Then I hope Japan will let me in again. If they do, then I have another two weeks of quarantine when I get back. If everything goes perfectly, I will spend six weeks in hotels to visit a loved one for 14 hours... total. If that continues to be allowed. Plus rental cars? Plus air fare?

Worst case scenario? Nah. That is the BEST case. It is only money after all. The worst case is that someone will infect me. Then I will infect my entire family, and the US medical system will impoverish anyone left over to pay bills.

About half of the family has contained the train wreck, for now. But as weeks drag into months, they need to be spelled, and JUST as this new omicron looks ready to start kicking ass.

The lesson? I am not exaggerating that exactly this member of the family assured me repeatedly over many years that there would never, under any circumstances, be any emergency that would require any extra resources or preparation. All that planning. All of the paperwork done in advance. All of the following of the rules and extra precautions. Shattered.

Here I am. Safe in Japan. Safe to watch everyone founder and go under. Safe in my survivor guilt.

/ Nobody waste time telling me that others have it much worse. I get it.
// But don't be fooled anyone: follow all the guidance and protocols and you will still get bad dice rolls.
/// Relying on family members in a pinch is a great strategy, until the reliable ones become unreliable, even through no fault of their own.
 
2021-11-29 5:52:53 AM  

2fardownthread: and the US medical system will impoverish anyone left over to pay bills.


tl;dr Thank God, the system still works as designed!
 
2021-11-29 6:01:03 AM  
Hoo boy.

On a less personal level, Japan is doing this for several reasons. Mainly, this is a new prime minister, and he has learned well that sounding a gong works in Japan. Tell people what to do, and they will do it, and there will be some effectiveness from it. People learn and the process gets reinforced. Repeat as necessary.

No force. No panic. No over-reach. Japan "moved through" the Olympics.

Japan also figured out that too early is not a bad thing. Too late is usually a bad thing.

Japan has also learned well to pay close attention to the science and the data, which are abundant, but which other governments are ignoring or playing with.

It is not perfect. It is competence. I am pretty certain that there are a bunch of eggheads who have devoted their lives to this. They have been learning and fighting this thing, and they are doing a great job. This will be something like the 5th wave, and each was predicted by foreigners to be a disaster. So far, it has not happened, so something must be working.
 
2021-11-29 6:06:24 AM  
Oh no!  There goes Tokyo :(
 
2021-11-29 6:07:43 AM  

Wobambo: VoiceOfReason499: Ah, yes, the old "our own country's citizens surely won't be infected but your country's citizens are all diseased monsters".

Unless a country requires everyone who enters to quarantine, travel restrictions are just political theater.

Soo - what Japan is doing?


Not according to the article I read. Japan is selectively quarantining folks based on country, and that list omits a large number of countries where omicron has been detected.

They can do what they want, but keeping out omicron is not what they're doing.
 
2021-11-29 6:08:03 AM  

PunGent: Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.

You gotta be impressed with how many other nations we roped in, no?


I'm more impressed by the concentrated Fark patented assholery in this thread, created unbidden by the appearance of any dissenting opinions.

It's like Ivan Pavlov rang a bell, and you started drooling.
 
2021-11-29 6:11:35 AM  

VoiceOfReason499: Wobambo: VoiceOfReason499: Ah, yes, the old "our own country's citizens surely won't be infected but your country's citizens are all diseased monsters".

Unless a country requires everyone who enters to quarantine, travel restrictions are just political theater.

Soo - what Japan is doing?

Not according to the article I read. Japan is selectively quarantining folks based on country, and that list omits a large number of countries where omicron has been detected.

They can do what they want, but keeping out omicron is not what they're doing.


Not according to what I've read. Hard shut down, anyone in has to quarantine with no exceptions. You should check one of the other omicron threads for the link to that and the Morocco shutdown.
 
2021-11-29 6:15:31 AM  

Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.


Nope, my anti vaxx covid hoax cousin on fb says the variant is the fake news attempting to draw our attention away from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.  I shiat you not.
 
2021-11-29 6:16:34 AM  

2fardownthread: Hoo boy.

On a less personal level, Japan is doing this for several reasons. Mainly, this is a new prime minister, and he has learned well that sounding a gong works in Japan. Tell people what to do, and they will do it, and there will be some effectiveness from it. People learn and the process gets reinforced. Repeat as necessary.

No force. No panic. No over-reach. Japan "moved through" the Olympics.

Japan also figured out that too early is not a bad thing. Too late is usually a bad thing.

Japan has also learned well to pay close attention to the science and the data, which are abundant, but which other governments are ignoring or playing with.

It is not perfect. It is competence. I am pretty certain that there are a bunch of eggheads who have devoted their lives to this. They have been learning and fighting this thing, and they are doing a great job. This will be something like the 5th wave, and each was predicted by foreigners to be a disaster. So far, it has not happened, so something must be working.


Not just Japan.

Isreal, Australia, and Morocco have all locked down too. For a variant that hasn't affected anyone fully vaxxed, or made anyone dangerously sick as far as we know.

Even us in the US put in a new (limited) travel ban.

My spidey senses are tingling.

The Captain of the ship has told us that everything is fine, and not to worry that the water is getting choppy.

But, the rats are reacting as though they know something the captain doesn't.
 
2021-11-29 6:18:53 AM  

offacue: Wobambo: Stupid flu Demonrat hoax to get mail-in votes.

Nope, my anti vaxx covid hoax cousin on fb says the variant is the fake news attempting to draw our attention away from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.  I shiat you not.


I hope you made fun of him and gave him a yellow and brown swirlie.
 
2021-11-29 6:20:55 AM  
You know, if everyone (Simultaneously) had been forced to quarantine, for 30 days, at the beginning (or really, any block of time since) and STOP MOVING ABOUT - we could have been done with this mess over a year ago.

A month of food/supplies/water and told to stay the fark home.  No walmart, no burger king, and mask up emergency medical and police.  (Firefighters already have masks with air tanks...)

Anything non-critical to life actually functioning - put it on hold for a month.  Never would have gotten to the point we needed the greek alphabet to name the variants of concern/interest.
 
2021-11-29 6:27:36 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: You know, if everyone (Simultaneously) had been forced to quarantine, for 30 days, at the beginning (or really, any block of time since) and STOP MOVING ABOUT - we could have been done with this mess over a year ago.

A month of food/supplies/water and told to stay the fark home.  No walmart, no burger king, and mask up emergency medical and police.  (Firefighters already have masks with air tanks...)

Anything non-critical to life actually functioning - put it on hold for a month.  Never would have gotten to the point we needed the greek alphabet to name the variants of concern/interest.


You also would have defeated influenza, the common cold, and a hundred other diseases.

But, we don't do that because it really has no chance of working. At all. Coordinating every person on Earth. Many of of that can't quarantine if you want medical care and electricity to continue to function. Just one failure on the whole planet dooms us to start over.
 
2021-11-29 6:28:09 AM  

born_yesterday: 2fardownthread: and the US medical system will impoverish anyone left over to pay bills.

tl;dr Thank God, the system still works as designed!


Ha? Design. Yes. Doctors get paid even if the patient dies. Yes. That is the design. I am not sure that is the main problem with modern medicine, though.

Well. If you are familiar with the American system, you can appreciate that even if you are insured out the wazoo with, say, triple redundant protection for treatment of X, then you still have to get a facility near you that offers adequate care, with personnel who are competent, with staff not decimated by COVID or COVID stress, and with visitation and care and ward policies that will move the patient safely to where they can get the best and most timely care. And family support. Those logistics were not great before COVID. They are much worse now.

Among the extended family are FOUR career health professionals, from surgeons to administrators, pushing all the buttons to move things along. All the gatekeepers to care have been identified. Family members are proceeding with Gantt charts, managing things with project management software.

A "typical" US family would be swamped. My family is fighting to get the system to perform according to what it has promised.

This is why I say that I know others have it so much worse. Where my family fails is having enough people who can be nearby. COVID has wrecked that along with the medical system logistics. And yes... the "system" gets paid whether the level of care is adequate or not.

If you want me to complain, then here is my complaint. COVID19 should never have been allowed to run rampant throughout the US and the world. It has wrecked and degraded systems that were tolerable for most people. It has been politicized and used for all kinds of mischief. Given enough time, it will wreck things that are valuable to you and you and you, wherever you are.
 
2021-11-29 6:29:54 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: You know, if everyone (Simultaneously) had been forced to quarantine, for 30 days, at the beginning (or really, any block of time since) and STOP MOVING ABOUT - we could have been done with this mess over a year ago.

A month of food/supplies/water and told to stay the fark home.  No walmart, no burger king, and mask up emergency medical and police.  (Firefighters already have masks with air tanks...)

Anything non-critical to life actually functioning - put it on hold for a month.  Never would have gotten to the point we needed the greek alphabet to name the variants of concern/interest.


A general strike and boycott is needed, though I have no idea how to go about organizing one. All I know is this has revealed enough about our current society that I straight up refuse to participate.
 
2021-11-29 6:34:34 AM  

Wobambo: VoiceOfReason499: Wobambo: VoiceOfReason499: Ah, yes, the old "our own country's citizens surely won't be infected but your country's citizens are all diseased monsters".

Unless a country requires everyone who enters to quarantine, travel restrictions are just political theater.

Soo - what Japan is doing?

Not according to the article I read. Japan is selectively quarantining folks based on country, and that list omits a large number of countries where omicron has been detected.

They can do what they want, but keeping out omicron is not what they're doing.

Not according to what I've read. Hard shut down, anyone in has to quarantine with no exceptions. You should check one of the other omicron threads for the link to that and the Morocco shutdown.


Yup.  When you arrive at the airport no public transportation for you.  A family member or car service is the only way you're allowed to get to your quarantine location. Anyone coming into Japan has a minimum 10 day quarantine then if get a negative PRC test you're good to go.  No PRC test and it's 14 days.  You also have to install 2 or 3 apps on your phone and they video call you once or twice a day.
Hawaii is hoping for the Japanese tourists to come back and the quarantine on the return to Japan is what's really stopping them from visiting en masse. At least that was the case up until yesterday.
 
2021-11-29 6:36:26 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: It's so weird to see that there are countries that can do this and not have people screaming over it. When some Western countries announced restricted flights from South Africa there was a woman given screentime on BBC to call it racist.  Our borders are more of a suggestion anyway so it doesn't matter, but come on.


There might be some discontent from some people, but no one screams like our current screamers in the US. It's kind of their thing.
 
2021-11-29 6:37:21 AM  

DeadSeriousIdeaMan: You know, if everyone (Simultaneously) had been forced to quarantine, for 30 days, at the beginning (or really, any block of time since) and STOP MOVING ABOUT - we could have been done with this mess over a year ago.

A month of food/supplies/water and told to stay the fark home.  No walmart, no burger king, and mask up emergency medical and police.  (Firefighters already have masks with air tanks...)

Anything non-critical to life actually functioning - put it on hold for a month.  Never would have gotten to the point we needed the greek alphabet to name the variants of concern/interest.


Yup. But freedumbs.
 
2021-11-29 6:47:25 AM  

Captain Shaky: 2fardownthread: Hoo boy.

On a less personal level, Japan is doing this for several reasons. Mainly, this is a new prime minister, and he has learned well that sounding a gong works in Japan. Tell people what to do, and they will do it, and there will be some effectiveness from it. People learn and the process gets reinforced. Repeat as necessary.

No force. No panic. No over-reach. Japan "moved through" the Olympics.

Japan also figured out that too early is not a bad thing. Too late is usually a bad thing.

Japan has also learned well to pay close attention to the science and the data, which are abundant, but which other governments are ignoring or playing with.

It is not perfect. It is competence. I am pretty certain that there are a bunch of eggheads who have devoted their lives to this. They have been learning and fighting this thing, and they are doing a great job. This will be something like the 5th wave, and each was predicted by foreigners to be a disaster. So far, it has not happened, so something must be working.

Not just Japan.

Isreal, Australia, and Morocco have all locked down too. For a variant that hasn't affected anyone fully vaxxed, or made anyone dangerously sick as far as we know.

Even us in the US put in a new (limited) travel ban.

My spidey senses are tingling.

The Captain of the ship has told us that everything is fine, and not to worry that the water is getting choppy.

But, the rats are reacting as though they know something the captain doesn't.


You don't have spidey senses and who is/are the captain and who are the rats? 

We know relatively little about this variant and the various mutations it has, so verything is hearsay and opinion at this point. Shut things down until we know more, because if we find out it's significantly more virile and/or lethal we will be in for a world of hurt. 

Always prepare for the worst before hoping for the best.
 
2021-11-29 6:50:22 AM  
Put your KFC order in.
 
2021-11-29 6:52:42 AM  
Japan will reinstate tough border measures

Japan has borders?

/thought bugs bunny took care of that
 
2021-11-29 6:53:49 AM  
...and it's possible this variant really isn't as bad as they are hyping up to be.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/29/omicron-covid-variant-symptoms-heres-what-we-know-so-far.html
 
2021-11-29 6:56:18 AM  
I'm not sure why you'd go to Japan during Western holidays unless you're trying to avoid said holidays since they're not really celebrated there (outside of eating a bucket of KFC and a cake on Xmas). Of course they have their own holidays at this time of year but they're relatively minor, not all-encompassing like American Thanksgiving and Xmas (New Years is a bigger deal). That's why I enjoyed it there so much: there was actually stuff to do in November or December other than eat and go to the mall while arguing with family members the whole time.

Anyway if you want the full white people holiday experience you need to go to Europe. Germans especially love that crap.
 
2021-11-29 6:58:47 AM  

Captain Shaky: DeadSeriousIdeaMan: You know, if everyone (Simultaneously) had been forced to quarantine, for 30 days, at the beginning (or really, any block of time since) and STOP MOVING ABOUT - we could have been done with this mess over a year ago.

A month of food/supplies/water and told to stay the fark home.  No walmart, no burger king, and mask up emergency medical and police.  (Firefighters already have masks with air tanks...)

Anything non-critical to life actually functioning - put it on hold for a month.  Never would have gotten to the point we needed the greek alphabet to name the variants of concern/interest.

You also would have defeated influenza, the common cold, and a hundred other diseases.

But, we don't do that because it really has no chance of working. At all. Coordinating every person on Earth. Many of of that can't quarantine if you want medical care and electricity to continue to function. Just one failure on the whole planet dooms us to start over.


For the American Farkers whose comments tend to indicate they don't look at COVID past America's borders, this right here.  Blaming American "freedumbs" as the source of the problem, as many here have done for a long time, a single political party (the GOP), or person (be it Trump, DeathSantis, or Abbott), misses the fact that most of the world has dropped the ball from the moment the virus first emerged.
 
2021-11-29 7:04:14 AM  
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2021-11-29 7:10:04 AM  
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Just hope the new variant keeps this guy away.
 
2021-11-29 7:12:35 AM  
Well, when Russia invades Ukraine in January and plunges the world into nuclear winter, this variant will be the least of everyone's concerns.
 
2021-11-29 7:12:57 AM  

Captain Shaky: I just posted this concern in a different thread, but... I really find it disconcerting that this new variant is being reported as something we don't know much about, and doesn't look like something to worry you.

But, governments around the world are going full President Madagascar all of a sudden.

Someone here is panicking an incorrect amount. And I am worried that it might be me, since these governments have better information and expert guidance than I have.


Just remember the famous quote....

"If you can keep your head while all those about you are losing theirs, you have obviously completely misunderstood the situation"

It's in Australia with all their draconian lockdowns and two week quarantine to get in the country.  I'm pretty sure the it's in the US(assuming you're here) w/ our anti-vaccine knuckle heads a 100,000 unchecked people a month wandering across the border.  Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
 
2021-11-29 7:19:00 AM  
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2021-11-29 7:21:54 AM  

lifeslammer: Only time you would really want to visit japan to see its beauty is when sakuras are in bloom


Otherwise you specifically avoid the holidays so its not crowded with idiots


When we went a few years ago my wife made a point to specifically travel a few weeks just before the expected sakura season to avoid the crowds but enjoy (most) of the weather. It mostly worked.

/maybe we'll get to go back some day
 
2021-11-29 7:31:24 AM  
Japan's closed. Kaiju out front should've told you.
 
2021-11-29 7:32:58 AM  

sensitive yet dangerous: I'm not sure why you'd go to Japan during Western holidays unless you're trying to avoid said holidays since they're not really celebrated there (outside of eating a bucket of KFC and a cake on Xmas). Of course they have their own holidays at this time of year but they're relatively minor, not all-encompassing like American Thanksgiving and Xmas (New Years is a bigger deal). That's why I enjoyed it there so much: there was actually stuff to do in November or December other than eat and go to the mall while arguing with family members the whole time.

Anyway if you want the full white people holiday experience you need to go to Europe. Germans especially love that crap.


The reason to go this time of year is skiing.

Although skiers returning from holidays may have been how many countries got their local patient zeros last year.

And very true about Germany.  About 20 years ago, I went near thanksgiving weekend to pick up my mom's cats.  My mom knew I liked old architecture, so used that as an excuse to hit 2-3 Christmas markets a day.  I put my foot down on the second day, and insisted we see some castles and not just spent our time in Christmas markets.

There was even a medieval market, where they didn't have street lights and relied on braziers burning for a little bit of light ... and warmth, Germany gets cold this time of year
 
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