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2021-11-28 10:19:04 PM  
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2021-11-29 7:31:44 AM  
Funny. They don't do that in a bar fight.

Not right away
 
2021-11-29 8:03:41 AM  
Anyone else remember when soccer players had at list a modicum of pride in being tough?

Now they are a bunch of 4 year olds flopping in the checkout aisle when mommy says no candy for you.
 
2021-11-29 8:13:27 AM  

SpectroBoy: Anyone else remember when soccer players had at list a modicum of pride in being tough?


Not really.  You're probably thinking of Rugby
 
2021-11-29 8:28:03 AM  
This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.
 
2021-11-29 8:45:26 AM  

jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.


I was going to say the exact same thing, I don't watch soccer all that much but when I do it's the womens' teams and they never do this. If anything they're as committed and full-contact as male hockey and football players.
 
2021-11-29 8:47:13 AM  

LeftisRightisWrong: jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.

I was going to say the exact same thing, I don't watch soccer all that much but when I do it's the womens' teams and they never do this. If anything they're as committed and full-contact as male hockey and football players.


correction: American football, before any of you smarty-pants rest-of-the-world people/smarty-pants Americans-but-want-to-look-like-rest-o​f-the-world people chime in to remind me.
 
2021-11-29 8:56:10 AM  
123th minute, probably was very very very tired
 
2021-11-29 8:59:54 AM  

jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.


When do the men start this? I don't see it at the high school level. Do they flop in college?
 
2021-11-29 9:11:36 AM  

ChrisDe: jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.

When do the men start this? I don't see it at the high school level. Do they flop in college?


South American leagues/players and Italian leagues/players are famous for this. It's less pervasive in like English, German, and Spanish leagues. I don't know about the french leagues because I never watch those.

Anytime a player pulls shiat like this they should be carded and fined by the league. I get slowing the game down, but wait for an actual foul to pull a Neymar and roll out of the stadium.
 
2021-11-29 9:13:08 AM  

jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.


Alex Morgan's entire game in the World Cup may have been founded on either being uncontested or flopping in the box with minimal contact.  IIRC one of their goals in the final match came on a PK after a flop.

Flopping in soccer as a tactic is typically limited to specific leagues or certain league teams, and countries.  And specific players develop a reputation.  And in those areas it is frustrating and ruins the sport.

Watching Deyverson flop, a Palmeiras player who I don't think even plays for the Brazilian National Team, is like being shown a video of a AA baseball player doing something dumb in the playoffs.
 
2021-11-29 9:16:19 AM  

SpectroBoy: Anyone else remember when soccer players had at list a modicum of pride in being tough?

Now they are a bunch of 4 year olds flopping in the checkout aisle when mommy says no candy for you.


No one remembers the 19th century.
 
2021-11-29 9:16:21 AM  

jake3988: I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).


Then you didn't watch the Women's World Cup when Brazil was playing the US. Players like Marta and Erika were shamefully diving all over the pitch.
 
2021-11-29 9:16:56 AM  
Tim Duncan now has one regret.
 
2021-11-29 9:17:14 AM  

jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.


I'm the same. One, men's soccer has become boring. All possession, limited action and tons of flopping.  There are flops in the women leagues but it's very rare and really limited to a few teams. The women get hit, get back up and chase down the opponent.

I know possession is a strong tactic but it makes for a boring game.   Cross the center line, go 10 yards, turn and kick it to your goal keeper, repeat 200 times.

ChrisDe: When do the men start this? I don't see it at the high school level. Do they flop in college?


It's a tactic to try and get a foul called, change possession or the pace of the game.  Early 80's is around when I first started seeing it.  Late 90's was the worst time to watch Flopper.  However, of the few games I've seen in the last few years, it seems it's back to late 90's levels again.
 
2021-11-29 9:20:49 AM  

Gonz: jake3988: I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).

Then you didn't watch the Women's World Cup when Brazil was playing the US. Players like Marta and Erika were shamefully diving all over the pitch.


It's definitely something that depends on a countries soccer culture. Everyone knows Italians and South Americans are the worst offenders. Other countries play a little tougher, depends on the style of the individual league pretty much.
 
2021-11-29 9:22:07 AM  
This could be fixed with a simple rule change. If you are so hurt that you're writhing in agony on the ground, then you need at least 10 minutes to recover on the sidelines. Also, that counts as a substitution.
 
2021-11-29 9:22:31 AM  
Also, if the NBA could find a way to successfully cut Hardens bullshiat style he was using to get calls, then there is hope for FIFA to do the same. I wouldn't count on them but it's technically possible.
 
2021-11-29 9:23:28 AM  

Jumpthruhoops: This could be fixed with a simple rule change. If you are so hurt that you're writhing in agony on the ground, then you need at least 10 minutes to recover on the sidelines. Also, that counts as a substitution.


Maybe they can either use one of their subs or be forced to play with only 10 men. Both good incentives to keep the game moving.
 
2021-11-29 9:34:48 AM  

Gonz: Players like Marta and Erika were shamefully diving all over the pitch.


I'm gonna just assume that's a euphemism and retire to my bunk
 
2021-11-29 9:36:41 AM  

Gonz: jake3988: I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).

Then you didn't watch the Women's World Cup when Brazil was playing the US. Players like Marta and Erika were shamefully diving all over the pitch.


A Fake Injury During The Womans World Cup Finals
Youtube CTyqciQcd78
 
2021-11-29 9:40:32 AM  

TheJoe03: Also, if the NBA could find a way to successfully cut Hardens bullshiat style he was using to get calls, then there is hope for FIFA to do the same. I wouldn't count on them but it's technically possible.


Lebron "Leflop" James Flop Compilation
Youtube Czq4NN0la6w


Still more work to do.
 
2021-11-29 9:42:47 AM  

mikaloyd: Gonz: jake3988: I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).

Then you didn't watch the Women's World Cup when Brazil was playing the US. Players like Marta and Erika were shamefully diving all over the pitch.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/CTyqciQc​d78]


The best part was that the time that was added on for that obvious dive gave the US the time to get the tying goal, then win in kicks. That Brazil flop took Brazil out of the tournament.
 
2021-11-29 9:57:08 AM  
Ice hockey flops are the best:

NHL - Diving and Embellishment Compilation [HD]
Youtube 5APNXEcwVuU


I love 48 seconds in when you see TWO guys flop on the same play, back-to-back.
 
2021-11-29 10:20:01 AM  
Funny video, though it seemed to me that he knew it was the ref because he looked back and he was just goofing off.

I just don't understand the mindset that lets you go down and then possibly writhe in agony like that. Where is your pride? How do you not feel embarrassed as fark at the thought of acting in such a manner? Get up, be a man, and keep going.

During whatever World Cup was played in South Africa there was something I always think of. A guy was upright and I don't remember what the other player did but the original guy reached down with one hand to grasp his knee as if he was actually hurt while doing the "WTF?" with the upturned other hand as he looked around for the ref as he was going to the ground. That isn't what you do if you genuinely got hurt/put on the ground. The guy was representing whatever country he was playing for and that didn't stop him from conducting himself that way, it was farking ridiculous and embarrassing to watch.

You're going to get knocked down, it happens. Being legitimately hurt is one thing but 99% of the time that isn't it. I think that most American soccer fans get that it is a problem but I think they have great difficulty in grasping just how much of a problem it is in terms of being a roadblock to wider acceptance here.

Just like every other American kid growing up, I played soccer. It should be more popular than it is but each time the World Cup rolls around there are shining examples of why it isn't. These are the best players in the world and they're doing that stuff while wearing the flag of their country on their uniform? How?
 
2021-11-29 10:24:33 AM  

WoodyHayes: Funny video, though it seemed to me that he knew it was the ref because he looked back and he was just goofing off.

I just don't understand the mindset that lets you go down and then possibly writhe in agony like that. Where is your pride? How do you not feel embarrassed as fark at the thought of acting in such a manner? Get up, be a man, and keep going.

During whatever World Cup was played in South Africa there was something I always think of. A guy was upright and I don't remember what the other player did but the original guy reached down with one hand to grasp his knee as if he was actually hurt while doing the "WTF?" with the upturned other hand as he looked around for the ref as he was going to the ground. That isn't what you do if you genuinely got hurt/put on the ground. The guy was representing whatever country he was playing for and that didn't stop him from conducting himself that way, it was farking ridiculous and embarrassing to watch.

You're going to get knocked down, it happens. Being legitimately hurt is one thing but 99% of the time that isn't it. I think that most American soccer fans get that it is a problem but I think they have great difficulty in grasping just how much of a problem it is in terms of being a roadblock to wider acceptance here.

Just like every other American kid growing up, I played soccer. It should be more popular than it is but each time the World Cup rolls around there are shining examples of why it isn't. These are the best players in the world and they're doing that stuff while wearing the flag of their country on their uniform? How?


Pride takes a back seat to winning. The punishments in soccer for a serious foul or a foul in the box are insanely disproportionate so it's absolutely worth faking to get one. You trick an official into giving an opposing defender a red card? You play with a man advantage the rest of the game. You trick an official into calling a penalty in the box? Basically a guaranteed goal in a game where 2 goals is usually enough to win a game.
 
2021-11-29 10:26:48 AM  
Yeah, dude definitely knew it was the ref and was having a bit of fun. Just a still but you can go back and see it, the guy was laughing and smiling before then and he is still smiling on the ground. He wasn't serious.

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I can't believe I'm defending a soccer player.
 
2021-11-29 11:14:01 AM  

meanmutton: Pride takes a back seat to winning. The punishments in soccer for a serious foul or a foul in the box are insanely disproportionate so it's absolutely worth faking to get one. You trick an official into giving an opposing defender a red card? You play with a man advantage the rest of the game. You trick an official into calling a penalty in the box? Basically a guaranteed goal in a game where 2 goals is usually enough to win a game.


Yeah, I will say that I begrudgingly get why it is done, the potential reward taking precedence over anything else.

On sports that aren't necessarily mine I'm always hesitant to address ways to "fix them" because I don't like people who do that, briefly sticking their nose into something they're not familiar with before going back to whatever they were previously doing.

That it is in the NBA is clear and while I don't watch much outside of the playoffs, I'm glad that they took action when it comes to James Harden's crap. I hope, though I don't know, that other kinds of flopping got attention beyond Harden's method of drawing fouls.

I'm also pretty wary of penalizing defenders in college football who go down on the field as ways of slowing down an offense, though I hate that it has increasingly crept into the game. If you're going to call bullshiat and institute a penalty for it, you better be damn sure you're right. I'm not sure that is something capable of properly being defined, where that line is that draws the call I wish existed.

Maybe meet in the middle? Maybe not a penalty but the guy is automatically out for the rest of the series if play has to be paused? It wouldn't stop it and the designated flopper wouldn't be your All-American but it'd at least be something.

I don't know the answers, I just don't like seeing the soccer mode of thinking in other things.
 
2021-11-29 11:37:28 AM  

LeftisRightisWrong: I was going to say the exact same thing, I don't watch soccer all that much but when I do it's the womens' teams and they never do this. If anything they're as committed and full-contact as male hockey and football players.


It happens in every sport. Definitely seen a bunch of NFL QB's flop, hockey players and NBA players (where it is growing - arguably). It's all dumb. 

WoodyHayes: Yeah, dude definitely knew it was the ref and was having a bit of fun. Just a still but you can go back and see it, the guy was laughing and smiling before then and he is still smiling on the ground. He wasn't serious.

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I can't believe I'm defending a soccer player.


This actually makes sense to me, which actually makes it funnier.
 
2021-11-29 11:54:56 AM  

Munden: SpectroBoy: Anyone else remember when soccer players had at list a modicum of pride in being tough?

Not really.  You're probably thinking of Rugby


Well no, soccer players were ALWAYS pussies compared to rugby players.
But they used to tougher than Liberace's stylist.
 
2021-11-29 12:49:46 PM  

phimuskapsi: LeftisRightisWrong: I was going to say the exact same thing, I don't watch soccer all that much but when I do it's the womens' teams and they never do this. If anything they're as committed and full-contact as male hockey and football players.

It happens in every sport. Definitely seen a bunch of NFL QB's flop, hockey players and NBA players (where it is growing - arguably). It's all dumb. 

WoodyHayes: Yeah, dude definitely knew it was the ref and was having a bit of fun. Just a still but you can go back and see it, the guy was laughing and smiling before then and he is still smiling on the ground. He wasn't serious.

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I can't believe I'm defending a soccer player.

This actually makes sense to me, which actually makes it funnier.


In football and hockey, flopping makes one a target for retribution.  Pull one over on the refs and someone from the opposing side will really give you something to cry about.
 
2021-11-29 1:22:29 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: phimuskapsi: LeftisRightisWrong: I was going to say the exact same thing, I don't watch soccer all that much but when I do it's the womens' teams and they never do this. If anything they're as committed and full-contact as male hockey and football players.

It happens in every sport. Definitely seen a bunch of NFL QB's flop, hockey players and NBA players (where it is growing - arguably). It's all dumb. 

WoodyHayes: Yeah, dude definitely knew it was the ref and was having a bit of fun. Just a still but you can go back and see it, the guy was laughing and smiling before then and he is still smiling on the ground. He wasn't serious.

[Fark user image 850x478]

I can't believe I'm defending a soccer player.

This actually makes sense to me, which actually makes it funnier.

In football and hockey, flopping makes one a target for retribution.  Pull one over on the refs and someone from the opposing side will really give you something to cry about.


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Not related to this discussion.  No sir.
 
2021-11-29 3:00:42 PM  

ChrisDe: jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.

When do the men start this? I don't see it at the high school level. Do they flop in college?


I refereed 5th through 12th grade... I don't recall seeing it in any of those age groups.

Never played or reffed in college, so I can't answer that.
 
2021-11-29 3:45:16 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: jake3988: This is very very pervasive in men's soccer, and it's very annoying.  One of the main reasons I only watch women's soccer.  I don't ever recall watching a women's game where there was any sort of flop (I'm sure it's happened, but I haven't seen it).  Doesn't seem like it takes all that much for them to actually get hurt, but it's always clear it was via actual real contact and not a flop.

Alex Morgan's entire game in the World Cup may have been founded on either being uncontested or flopping in the box with minimal contact.  IIRC one of their goals in the final match came on a PK after a flop.

Flopping in soccer as a tactic is typically limited to specific leagues or certain league teams, and countries.  And specific players develop a reputation.  And in those areas it is frustrating and ruins the sport.

Watching Deyverson flop, a Palmeiras player who I don't think even plays for the Brazilian National Team, is like being shown a video of a AA baseball player doing something dumb in the playoffs.


Except this was the Copa Libertadores and he scored the title winner.
 
2021-11-29 4:08:55 PM  

JuicePats: Except this was the Copa Libertadores and he scored the title winner.


So, like the game winning home run for the Durham Bulls?
 
2021-11-29 4:32:55 PM  
Where is the follow-up? Was he ever able to walk again?
 
2021-11-29 5:10:41 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: JuicePats: Except this was the Copa Libertadores and he scored the title winner.

So, like the game winning home run for the Durham Bulls?


No.
 
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