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(Global News (Canada))   McMaster researchers have found that so far, 14.4% of people who were hospitalized with Covid (and recovered) have developed diabetes afterward   (globalnews.ca) divider line
    More: Scary, Blood sugar, Diabetes mellitus, Insulin, Hyperglycemia, Obesity, COVID-19 patients, new variants of concern, beta cells  
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2021-11-28 6:50:38 PM  
 Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?
 
2021-11-28 7:09:50 PM  

Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?


Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.
 
2021-11-28 7:29:29 PM  
Fair enough, that's a pretty significant difference.

However correlation is not necessarily causation.
 
2021-11-28 7:31:54 PM  
Good thing we have the most expensive insulin in the whole world.
 
2021-11-28 8:27:55 PM  
Save some Timbits for me.
 
2021-11-28 9:08:39 PM  
They got the Covid Brimley disease.
 
2021-11-28 9:12:57 PM  

Dasher McHappenstance: Fair enough, that's a pretty significant difference.

However correlation is not necessarily causation.


Not all correlations are equal. Comparing two completely independent variables such as pirate attacks vs. global mean temperature is not the same as comparing acquired disease rates in two populations with the same risk profile and over the same time period except for a single difference.
 
2021-11-28 10:16:39 PM  
So the monstrosity directly attacks the pancreas.

Oh, boy, that's not going to be an absolutely catastrophic long-term cost that the plague rats are choosing to saddle us all with.

Besides all the scar tissue riddled lungs that are going to get cancer over the coming decades.

And the 1.6M Americans and counting that it's starting to look like their sense of taste and/or smell are permanently destroyed.
 
2021-11-28 10:17:51 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Good thing we have the most expensive insulin in the whole world.


This was my first thought. Very much a case of "out of the frying pan into the fire".
 
2021-11-28 10:29:09 PM  
yeah!
another half million diabetics weighing on our health care system.
the gift that keeps giving
 
2021-11-28 10:30:20 PM  
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Yes, it'd be hilarious if antivaxxers start losing their feet. Just like the flu!
 
2021-11-28 10:41:56 PM  
In other words, if you vax, get COVID, but because of the vaccine you're not ill enough to be hospitalized, your chances of becoming diabetic soon after probably is unchanged.  So vax.
 
2021-11-28 10:50:39 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Fair enough, that's a pretty significant difference.

However correlation is not necessarily causation.

Not all correlations are equal. Comparing two completely independent variables such as pirate attacks vs. global mean temperature is not the same as comparing acquired disease rates in two populations with the same risk profile and over the same time period except for a single difference.


"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows and mouth 'look over there'" - Randall Munroe probably
 
2021-11-28 11:01:36 PM  
Q: Who would have thought that a virus that creates micro-clots everywhere blood goes in your body might cause significant organ damage?

A: Everyone who was paying attention when the medical researchers working on COVID warned us that's what they were seeing.  A LONG time ago - it was reported as early as July of 2020.
 
2021-11-28 11:23:28 PM  
Get beetus to pwn teh libz
 
2021-11-28 11:39:48 PM  
and a lot of them have kidney and lung damage now too.

as years go by, we will learn that many covid survivors now have a host of serious health issues that shorten their lives, in a statistically significant percentage over those who did not get covid or get serious covid.

i'm hoping we don't see a constellation of life-long negative impacts on people who got it as children.
 
2021-11-28 11:40:44 PM  
You can buy just about anything from McMaster
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/the 2nd favorite catalog as voted by adult males who build things
 
2021-11-29 1:04:11 AM  

maxandgrinch: You can buy just about anything from McMaster


came here for this, left satisfied

//though a movie prop guy does not an engineer make. eat shiat Adam.
 
2021-11-29 1:07:00 AM  

erik-k: And the 1.6M Americans and counting that it's starting to look like their sense of taste and/or smell are permanently destroyed.


note to self: buy Taco Bell stock
 
2021-11-29 1:12:09 AM  

scumm: maxandgrinch: You can buy just about anything from McMaster

came here for this, left satisfied

//though a movie prop guy does not an engineer make. eat shiat Adam.


well thank god. because everyone knows engineers are insufferable.
 
2021-11-29 1:23:33 AM  
I don't know about this. I think it's more likely that people at risk for diabetes are more likely to be the kind of people to do risky things at the height of the pandemic, like eating at sit down restaurants unmasked.
 
2021-11-29 1:28:35 AM  
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2021-11-29 1:59:55 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?

Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.


Yes, removing a factor from an equation changes the outcome
/who'd a thunk
 
2021-11-29 2:18:50 AM  
That's gross.
 
2021-11-29 2:38:38 AM  
Do diabetics burst into flames like a vampire in sunlight if they set foot in a Tim Horton's?
 
2021-11-29 3:32:59 AM  
Note that this is type 1 diabetes, not type 2.  Diet and lifestyle changes don't help much, and insulin is going to be needed.

And it could easily happen with no comorbidities.
 
2021-11-29 4:13:15 AM  
What about the ones who didn't recover?
 
2021-11-29 4:28:59 AM  

New Farkin User Name: common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Fair enough, that's a pretty significant difference.

However correlation is not necessarily causation.

Not all correlations are equal. Comparing two completely independent variables such as pirate attacks vs. global mean temperature is not the same as comparing acquired disease rates in two populations with the same risk profile and over the same time period except for a single difference.

"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows and mouth 'look over there'" - Randall Munroe probably


I used to think correlation implied causation. Then I took a statistics class. Now I don't.
 
2021-11-29 4:41:27 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?

Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.


Do you have any actual numbers for that which weren't directly pulled from you ass?

I mean, you used the word "fact", but you supplied zero documentation.
 
2021-11-29 4:45:38 AM  

CivilizedTiger: New Farkin User Name: common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Fair enough, that's a pretty significant difference.

However correlation is not necessarily causation.

Not all correlations are equal. Comparing two completely independent variables such as pirate attacks vs. global mean temperature is not the same as comparing acquired disease rates in two populations with the same risk profile and over the same time period except for a single difference.

"Correlation doesn't imply causation, but it does wiggle its eyebrows and mouth 'look over there'" - Randall Munroe probably

I used to think correlation implied causation. Then I took a statistics class. Now I don't.


Always remember:  Correlation does *NOT* imply causation.  But causation *ALWAYS* requires correlation.

Meaning, if there is a correlation between X and Y, that doesn't necessarily mean that X causes Y.    But it you say that Y is caused by X, if there is no correlation between the two, than what you said is provably not true.

So many people do not understand that, that it isn't funny.
 
2021-11-29 5:04:10 AM  
One of the leading Aussie diabetes researcher ended up getting covid, then started showing the markers he had been looking for in early diabetes and ended up needing insulin for his brand new diabetes.  That was like March or April of last year.  His research at the time indicated that insulin production would need to be ramped up a bunch to meet world wide demand soon.  From the video, he wasn't overweight and didn't have the look of someone who lots a bunch of weight recently.  If he went to his GP for an annual checkup, he would have had a life long history of his diabetes risks.  His video on the subject showed that he was very surprised by the findings.
 
2021-11-29 5:04:24 AM  

Kris_Romm: In other words, if you vax, get COVID, but because of the vaccine you're not ill enough to be hospitalized, your chances of becoming diabetic soon after probably is unchanged.  So vax.


What leads you to that conclusion?
 
2021-11-29 6:33:03 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?

Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.


I am pretty sure you mean 14,400 baud.

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2021-11-29 6:41:10 AM  

erik-k: So the monstrosity directly attacks the pancreas.

Oh, boy, that's not going to be an absolutely catastrophic long-term cost that the plague rats are choosing to saddle us all with.

Besides all the scar tissue riddled lungs that are going to get cancer over the coming decades.

And the 1.6M Americans and counting that it's starting to look like their sense of taste and/or smell are permanently destroyed.


Red states will let them suffer and die.  Blue states and big cities have higher vaccination rates and so will fare much better.
The real issue isn't the elderly but kids and those in their 20s who will need decades of health care due to their parents and communities selfish, ignorant behavior.
Congress will switch over to the GQP in an election or two and euthanize the sick through budget cuts or holes in health care coverage.  At that point there is no saving rural conservatives from their own stupidity.
It's almost as if those who follow #45 don't have good endings or prosper.  If only they had some sort of record they could check to see if he was a serial adulterer compulsive liar person who didn't pay his debts and ruined everything he touched.
/Oh well, anyway.
 
2021-11-29 7:20:08 AM  
Good farking luck plague rats.  Because if it wasn't certain before, now we've got Omicron, there's no goddamned way you're getting away unscathed.

Germany's health minister recently stated that by the Spring, all Germans will either be vaccinated, recovered from COVID, or dead.  And that was before Omicron.

Just remember, "recovered" doesn't mean you recovered.  Just that you didn't die immediately.  Enjoy your cancer, diabetes, early dementia, cirrhosis, smokers lung, and permanent concussion symptoms.
 
2021-11-29 7:28:57 AM  

skippy.fluff: Note that this is type 1 diabetes, not type 2.  Diet and lifestyle changes don't help much, and insulin is going to be needed.

And it could easily happen with no comorbidities.


Most everyone do not realize that DMTI is not something you can prevent. They hear "diabetes!" And automatically think DMTII, which is preventable by modifications to risk factors.

Diabetes type 1 is caused an autoimmune disease, usually triggered by a virus. Looks like SARS-COVID-2 is on that list now.
 
2021-11-29 9:53:39 AM  
My mother had polio as a child then developed "post-polio syndrome" in her thirties. Her life was a living hell after that.
I really hope this doesn't happen to Covid survivors.
 
2021-11-29 10:49:53 AM  
Maybe now they will cure this crap I've had for forty years
 
2021-11-29 2:33:45 PM  

dittybopper: common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?

Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.

Do you have any actual numbers for that which weren't directly pulled from you ass?

I mean, you used the word "fact", but you supplied zero documentation.


Yes, it's a fact that basically zero prediabetics (or anyone else) are expected to develop Type I diabetes during adulthood.

You'd think a registered nurse would know that.
 
2021-11-29 3:00:35 PM  

dittybopper: common sense is an oxymoron: Dasher McHappenstance: Because they were already overweight and had underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk for diabetes to begin with?

Which doesn't change the fact that the percentage of the prediabetic population without COVID who go on to develop diabetes in the same time frame is probably closer to 0.0144% than 14.4%.

Do you have any actual numbers for that which weren't directly pulled from you ass?

I mean, you used the word "fact", but you supplied zero documentation.


Here's one study citing adult-onset type 1 diabetes (the kind resulting from beta-cell damage) rates ranging from 0.69 to 37.8 per 100,000 persons per year, or as high as 0.019% over the six-month period cited in TFA:

https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/44/11/2449

Looks like that out-of-my-ass estimate was a lot closer than even I thought.
 
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