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2021-11-28 2:25:22 PM  
I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.
 
2021-11-28 2:50:39 PM  

ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.


Ain't nobody gonna drink the water that comes out of mixing the Red and Green River together.
 
2021-11-28 3:15:48 PM  
The issue isn't if we can move the water. The issue is we've already moved so much water to places that it wasn't originally, growing cities in places they shouldn't be. Moving the water just robs Peter to pay Paul, drying out other areas and eventually damaging their water cycle so much it eventually threatens the water source, making the whole problem even worse. Look at how damaged the mouths of numerous western rivers have become. Look at how much we've drained existing aquifers well past their refill rate. All of that makes things worse.
 
2021-11-28 3:28:30 PM  
Duluth-Los Angeles aquaduct?
 
2021-11-28 3:31:07 PM  

Sin'sHero: ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.

Ain't nobody gonna drink the water that comes out of mixing the Red and Green River together.


What a combination of Red and Green may look like
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2021-11-28 3:32:10 PM  
Because we like to keep our Great Lakes great. Don't move out to the desert, problem solved.
 
2021-11-28 3:32:28 PM  
Just have people slap two hydrogen atom in to one oxygen atom and send the molecule on it's way.  You can pay them per molecule and people can get bootstrappy and make $$$$.
 
2021-11-28 3:32:50 PM  

Sin'sHero: ...
Ain't nobody gonna drink the water that comes out of mixing the Red and Green River together.
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Maybe at Xmas time... 
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2021-11-28 3:33:32 PM  
No.
 
2021-11-28 3:34:10 PM  
Because water is heavy, stupid
 
2021-11-28 3:34:20 PM  
Water? They've got a whole ocean right they're. Why can't they just use that? There stupid. Their's an easy solution.
You'res truley,
Enos Thayer.
 
2021-11-28 3:36:08 PM  
The same reason why those big desalination plants never get anywhere. We are semi-hairless psychic apes who value meaningless, worthless paper and shiny rocks over everything else.
 
2021-11-28 3:36:43 PM  
Let's use ridiculous amounts of energy and make global warming worse.  Great idea!
 
2021-11-28 3:37:56 PM  
The Colorado River Compact, which divvies up water rights to the river, is set to expire in 2026.  5 years.  Seems like a long time.  It's not, in terms of the determination of water rights for a generation.  The current compact favors the lower states.  Upper states and tribes with claims to the water have had enough of the old deal and really want to wet their whistle in the new one.

Good times ahead.

PS - Hayduke lives!
 
2021-11-28 3:39:36 PM  
How can there be a water shortage when all the swimming pools are full and golf courses are green.  Surely during a draught, those two water wasters would be banned.
 
2021-11-28 3:40:20 PM  

OhioUGrad: Sin'sHero: ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.

Ain't nobody gonna drink the water that comes out of mixing the Red and Green River together.

What a combination of Red and Green may look like
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Seems fitting that he's Canadian like most of the water on this continent.
 
2021-11-28 3:44:24 PM  
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2021-11-28 3:44:48 PM  

12349876: Let's use ridiculous amounts of energy and make global warming worse.  Great idea!


Use nuclear power, which can desalinate water while also generating electricity and hydrogen to replace fossil fuels in transportation and fertilizer production. With the right design you can even run the reactor on spent fuel from previous generations, reducing the amount of actinide waste which needs very-long-term storage.
 
2021-11-28 3:45:15 PM  

greentea1985: The issue isn't if we can move the water. The issue is we've already moved so much water to places that it wasn't originally, growing cities in places they shouldn't be. Moving the water just robs Peter to pay Paul, drying out other areas and eventually damaging their water cycle so much it eventually threatens the water source, making the whole problem even worse. Look at how damaged the mouths of numerous western rivers have become. Look at how much we've drained existing aquifers well past their refill rate. All of that makes things worse.


I agree, but the alternative of just moving the people to where the water is, also dries out those places.

We need to seriously cut water use, and the simplest and most effective way to do this is to outlaw lawn grasses that are not suitable to the local environment, even on golf courses, and invalidate the power of HOAs to control what color and condition your lawn is in.

Second, we need desalination, but we need desalination that is not contributing to carbon levels in the atmosphere and thus making things worse.  There are some emerging technologies that make this doable.  We then got to move desalinated water to the interior of the country.

One way to do this is to create artificial reefs off the coast of California, which waves then crash over, increasing sea mist and creating clouds that make it over the sea cliffs and into the Rockies where they make rain and snow.  It would be a massive project, but if done right could also help provide homes for fish, corals, and kelp, the last two acting as carbon sinks.
 
2021-11-28 3:46:38 PM  

ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.


It only causes flooding in Fargo because the water flows north. And in the spring when the winter snows have melted in the Dakotas, they run into ice dams in Manitoba which cause the flooding in Fargo. It's not like the Dakotas have some crazy overabundance of water.

/stop treating the east's water like your birthright, west coasties
 
2021-11-28 3:48:12 PM  
These issues never seem to be obstacles when it's oil
 
2021-11-28 3:48:17 PM  

shastacola: Because we like to keep our Great Lakes great. Don't move out to the desert, problem solved.


It's not like you're doing anything with them. I mean, all these years you've had them, and what's your biggest accomplishment? 2 songs. Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald15 miles on the Erie Canal.

Give us that water, and we'll put it to better use.

We may be depleting the Colorado River, but of all the things we've ever done to it, we've never set it on fire. So clearly we are the better stewards.
 
2021-11-28 3:50:51 PM  
Meanwhile in the Mojave desert...

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2021-11-28 3:51:56 PM  

Muta: How can there be a water shortage when all the swimming pools are full and golf courses are green.  Surely during a draught, those two water wasters would be banned.


Rich white people sacrifice? Surely you jest.
 
2021-11-28 3:54:16 PM  

ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.


Unless you want war with Canada I'd drop that thought. Manitoba Hydro is cutting back power generation and exports to the US because the current drought has depleted their hydro reserves.
 
2021-11-28 3:55:48 PM  

capt.hollister: Meanwhile in the Mojave desert...

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At least we respect our water.

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If you're not going to give us water, then take back your yokel friends and family who moved out here and keep draining Lake Mead.
 
2021-11-28 3:57:04 PM  

iheartscotch: The same reason why those big desalination plants never get anywhere. We are semi-hairless psychic apes who value meaningless, worthless paper and shiny rocks over everything else.


When I was young, I briefly worried that everyone could read minds except for me.  Some people are born blind, right?  Maybe I was born without the ability to read minds and everyone was just trying to be nice and not bring it up.  Eventually I decided that it would be mentioned in pretty much all books and novels if people could read minds, just like most people in stories can clearly see.

Now I'm worried about it again.
 
2021-11-28 3:58:29 PM  

Super Chronic: These issues never seem to be obstacles when it's oil


And what do you get when you burn oil? Water that's what, genius!
 
2021-11-28 4:00:38 PM  
How about if you use excess water to replenish the Ogallala Aquifer first before you try shipping it over the continental divide.  Much closer and lower in elevation.If you can get the water up to the I-25 corridor, you can halt Colorado River water transfers via the Adams Tunnel to farms east of the Front Range.  That's 213,000 acre-feet (0.263 km3) of water annually.
If you can build sufficient seawater desalination along the southern California coast, you can reduce or halt Colorado River water transfers via the Colorado River Aqueduct.  That's 1,200,000 acre⋅ft (1.5 km3) of water annually.

Or you can just stop growing fodder in the desert.  Alfalfa is the #1 consumer of agricultural water by volume in AZ, CA, and NV.
 
2021-11-28 4:04:39 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: The same reason why those big desalination plants never get anywhere. We are semi-hairless psychic apes who value meaningless, worthless paper and shiny rocks over everything else.

When I was young, I briefly worried that everyone could read minds except for me.  Some people are born blind, right?  Maybe I was born without the ability to read minds and everyone was just trying to be nice and not bring it up.  Eventually I decided that it would be mentioned in pretty much all books and novels if people could read minds, just like most people in stories can clearly see.

Now I'm worried about it again.


User name checks out.
 
2021-11-28 4:05:19 PM  
Everyone: Why don't we just move water from places that have lots of it to places that don't?

Experts: That would be incredibly wasteful, use astronomical amounts of energy, exacerbate climate change, and have all sorts of unintended consequences. Instead, we should use what little water we have more responsibly and look at more climate-friendly ways to conserve water. We might have to change some of our consumption habits, but it would be worth it.

Everyone: Moving water from one side of the country to the other it is, then!
 
2021-11-28 4:06:21 PM  
And don't build huge reservoirs to capture and hold water during your rainy years.
Just let it cause floods before running out to the ocean as usual.
 
2021-11-28 4:14:18 PM  
The kicker, a large chunk of the most intense drought region used to be a lake.
 
2021-11-28 4:16:40 PM  

iheartscotch: The same reason why those big desalination plants never get anywhere. We are semi-hairless psychic apes who value meaningless, worthless paper and shiny rocks over everything else.


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2021-11-28 4:22:56 PM  

greentea1985: The issue isn't if we can move the water. The issue is we've already moved so much water to places that it wasn't originally, growing cities in places they shouldn't be. Moving the water just robs Peter to pay Paul, drying out other areas and eventually damaging their water cycle so much it eventually threatens the water source, making the whole problem even worse. Look at how damaged the mouths of numerous western rivers have become. Look at how much we've drained existing aquifers well past their refill rate. All of that makes things worse.


It's a finite resource. The Colorado allocations are at least 20 to 30% more than the river can now provide,
you aren't going to pipe your way our of this one.
 
2021-11-28 4:27:42 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: iheartscotch: The same reason why those big desalination plants never get anywhere. We are semi-hairless psychic apes who value meaningless, worthless paper and shiny rocks over everything else.

When I was young, I briefly worried that everyone could read minds except for me.  Some people are born blind, right?  Maybe I was born without the ability to read minds and everyone was just trying to be nice and not bring it up.  Eventually I decided that it would be mentioned in pretty much all books and novels if people could read minds, just like most people in stories can clearly see.

Now I'm worried about it again.


Or it's just me that can read minds. Also....could you maybe quit fantasizing about your cousin Janet? It's getting...weird.
 
2021-11-28 4:31:06 PM  
For the amount of energy it would take, we'd be better off building nuke plants to run desalination stations along the West coast.
 
2021-11-28 4:32:52 PM  
Why can't we *just* move water to solve a drought?

"Just"

You can't even build a fast rail between LA and SF. How the hell are you going to afford to build the pipelines and pumping stations required to move enough water transcontinentally to make a dent in this problem?
 
2021-11-28 4:33:40 PM  
I might actually take up arms if someone tries to drain the great lakes.
 
2021-11-28 4:38:38 PM  

Muta: How can there be a water shortage when all the swimming pools are full and golf courses are green.  Surely during a draught, those two water wasters would be banned.


Golf is a huge contributor to the southwest economy.  In 2019, it contributed $4.6B to Arizona's economy, $2.2B from golf tourism alone.  That makes it difficult to target as course closures would impact tax revenue.
 
2021-11-28 4:39:23 PM  
Just use terraforming. We have already figured it out on Mars. They are manufacturing Poland spring there as we speak.
 
2021-11-28 4:47:29 PM  
FUK CALIFORNIA! Self obsessed pricks! They can take there water from the sea. They will just waste it putting out fires!
 
2021-11-28 4:51:29 PM  
Sure a lot of energy to pump water over the continental divide. Some could be generated going downhill. It's just a massive project that would take about 15-20 years. And the people whose people would benefit from it would just scream and shout about the costs of it and so on.
 
2021-11-28 4:53:30 PM  

ansius: Why can't we *just* move water to solve a drought?

"Just"

You can't even build a fast rail between LA and SF. How the hell are you going to afford to build the pipelines and pumping stations required to move enough water transcontinentally to make a dent in this problem?


We could , but eminent domain and nationalising the railroads are not popular ideas.
 
2021-11-28 4:53:38 PM  

Muta: How can there be a water shortage when all the swimming pools are full and golf courses are green.  Surely during a draught, those two water wasters would be banned.


Those places mostly do a decent job of recycling their water.  Agriculture dominates water usage everywhere.  The West would probably be fine with water if you completely got rid of all agriculture, but then you have the pesky problem of starvation from a depleted global food supply.

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2021-11-28 4:55:11 PM  

Peach_Fuz: Duluth-Los Angeles aquaduct?


You may joke but we already pipeline oil all over the continent and under the oceans. When water costs as much as oil, it will happen. At least leakage will cause growth instead of death!
 
2021-11-28 4:59:34 PM  

FloriduhGuy: FUK CALIFORNIA! Self obsessed pricks! They can take there water from the sea. They will just waste it putting out fires!


Username checks out!
 
2021-11-28 5:00:08 PM  

ski9600: I have repeatedly posted over about 10 years here on fark that my idea is to route water flowing into Canada from the Red River near Fargo that is constantly causing flooding problems towards Green River, WY.

The reply is that it's going to cost too much.

Well, how much is it going to cost when the central valley of California, the las vegas strip, all of Arizona, have no water and declare war on Colorado?

Seems kinda pricey.


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2021-11-28 5:01:27 PM  

alienated: ansius: Why can't we *just* move water to solve a drought?

"Just"

You can't even build a fast rail between LA and SF. How the hell are you going to afford to build the pipelines and pumping stations required to move enough water transcontinentally to make a dent in this problem?

We could , but eminent domain and nationalising the railroads are not popular ideas.


Dagny Taggart would disagree.
 
2021-11-28 5:07:59 PM  
'Why can't we just move water?' asks person living in a city built in a FARKING DESERT

Here's a hint...

Until the penalty for watering a multi-acre lawn in a desert amounts to more than the spare change the home owner can find in the couch cushions...you're gonna have supply problems, and not because Sacremento and the Central Valley are denying you guys more water...
 
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