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2021-11-27 8:51:13 AM  
I ching
 
2021-11-27 10:25:50 AM  
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2021-11-27 10:27:55 AM  
Don't make choices
If you don't start you won't have to stop
~ Que sera sera
 
2021-11-27 10:28:13 AM  
Yes, I am frequently overwhelmed by choice and give up. I try to circumvent this through product research, but with things like clothes? JFC. I hire people to pick clothes for me and find the options I'm given overwhelming too.
 
2021-11-27 10:28:22 AM  

exqqqme: I ching


How are you this morning, ching?
 
2021-11-27 10:36:00 AM  
I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.
 
2021-11-27 10:39:28 AM  
I was trying to explain the Trolley Problem to my eight year-old, but she struggled with the idea of a thought experiment.

I suppose, we'll just have to build up her strength so she can toss those fat men off bridges.
 
2021-11-27 10:40:52 AM  
Getting started with Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous was a real biatch.
 
2021-11-27 10:44:56 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.


Once upon a time you could narrow the scope of a search by adding qualifiers.  Now, the results include every item that matches ANY of the terms. Great for boosting ad revenue, though.
 
2021-11-27 10:49:06 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.


In reality, there is only one factory that makes ice cube trays for all of the brands on Amazon. They run the same injection moulding tool 24/7 and change the packaging branding for importers using Alibaba. The container arrives directly at an Amazon facility with dozens of pallets of ice cube trays from different brands, but all with exactly the same origin.

There is an illusion of choice, but in reality there is no difference between ice cube trays other than price.
 
2021-11-27 10:52:24 AM  
That's a lot of words to say "Don't sweat the small stuff."
 
2021-11-27 11:15:03 AM  
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2021-11-27 11:19:31 AM  
The paroxysm of choice is real. Give people too many options and their brains will shut down trying to choose.
 
2021-11-27 11:26:51 AM  

Thosw: The paroxysm of choice is real. Give people too many options and their brains will shut down trying to choose.


The paradox of choice | Barry Schwartz
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/'paroxysm of choice', I like that
 
2021-11-27 11:31:03 AM  
Do people have trouble making choices?
 
2021-11-27 11:40:16 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.


Just get this one. It's the only tray I've ever gotten that I could say I actively like instead of merely existing.
 
2021-11-27 11:46:28 AM  
There's a Radio Lab episode (iirc) where they talk about the difference in satisfaction of shoppers where a place like Publix has over 40,000 products for sale, multiple variations of the same thing, and a place like Aldi's that has closer to 6,000 products. I know there's Aldi haters out there, so obviously this won't apply to them. But apparently, for some folks, reducing the choice to 1 or 2 of a particular product reduces the stress of choosing and increases the overall reported satisfaction with the product. They weren't left thinking, Maybe I should have bought the other one...
 
2021-11-27 11:50:53 AM  
That's why I'm looking for a mistress to make all my choices for me. Much simpler.

/Finding and choosing that person, otoh...
 
2021-11-27 11:55:15 AM  
I hate it when I know what style or features I want in a product (like an icecube tray) and I can't narrow down the search to those parameters at all and I'm forced to wade through 1000s of nearly identical choices in hopes of spotting the one I wanted to buy
 
2021-11-27 12:02:50 PM  
I don't mind tons of product options as much as bad sorting options and an often inability to find good product reviews.
 
2021-11-27 12:03:50 PM  
I have figured it out  I don't make any decisions unless I absolutely have to.

dammit just give me a login: There's a Radio Lab episode (iirc) where they talk about the difference in satisfaction of shoppers where a place like Publix has over 40,000 products for sale, multiple variations of the same thing, and a place like Aldi's that has closer to 6,000 products. I know there's Aldi haters out there, so obviously this won't apply to them. But apparently, for some folks, reducing the choice to 1 or 2 of a particular product reduces the stress of choosing and increases the overall reported satisfaction with the product. They weren't left thinking, Maybe I should have bought the other one...



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2021-11-27 12:08:56 PM  
Choice fatigue is the bane of my existence. It's the reason why 2 years after my dishwasher kicked the bucket I still don't have a new dishwasher. I cannot decide on a dishwasher.

At one point last year I had ordered a Bosch model but then a friend told me she hated hers, so I cancelled the order. I'm really sick of hand washing dishes but I also don't want to buy the wrong dishwasher.

God help me it's almost time to replace my refrigerator too.
 
2021-11-27 12:18:25 PM  
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice
 
2021-11-27 12:30:59 PM  

Miss5280: Choice fatigue is the bane of my existence. It's the reason why 2 years after my dishwasher kicked the bucket I still don't have a new dishwasher. I cannot decide on a dishwasher.

At one point last year I had ordered a Bosch model but then a friend told me she hated hers, so I cancelled the order. I'm really sick of hand washing dishes but I also don't want to buy the wrong dishwasher.

God help me it's almost time to replace my refrigerator too.


Only reading the negative reviews for anything helps. There's less fake ones.
 
2021-11-27 12:36:11 PM  

Glorious Golden Ass: I was trying to explain the Trolley Problem to my eight year-old, but she struggled with the idea of a thought experiment.

I suppose, we'll just have to build up her strength so she can toss those fat men off bridges.


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2021-11-27 1:00:55 PM  

PartTimeBuddha: Do people have trouble making choices?


Yes. Some people do.The amount of choices a person can reasonable make changes from person to person. If you've never run into it, it's because you've never been in a situation where you've reached your decision fatigue plateau. Famously, Mark Zuckerberg has a system to limit his daily choice making requirements to reduce decision fatigue.

The limit can be affected by your general mental state too, such as in (but not limited to) people with anxiety and depression.They tend to get lost in the possible consequences of each choice, and wondering which is better, or which they'd like most. They worry that they may not like their choice, and that they would be wasting resources (time/money) on it. It can be so bad as to paralyze them, even if the resource investment is minimal.
 
2021-11-27 3:13:53 PM  

gamergirl23: Glockenspiel Hero: I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.

Just get this one. It's the only tray I've ever gotten that I could say I actively like instead of merely existing.


You don't need to like your farking ice cube tray, it needs to simply exist
 
2021-11-27 3:16:44 PM  

Miss5280: Choice fatigue is the bane of my existence. It's the reason why 2 years after my dishwasher kicked the bucket I still don't have a new dishwasher. I cannot decide on a dishwasher.

At one point last year I had ordered a Bosch model but then a friend told me she hated hers, so I cancelled the order. I'm really sick of hand washing dishes but I also don't want to buy the wrong dishwasher.

God help me it's almost time to replace my refrigerator too.


Just move
 
2021-11-27 3:58:05 PM  

chitownmike: gamergirl23: Glockenspiel Hero: I need an ice cube tray because the ice maker on my fridge is broken.  Oddly, the local stores seem to be sold out of them, so I checked Amazon.

Ten minutes later I gave up- when there are 10,000 ice cube trays there are none.

Just get this one. It's the only tray I've ever gotten that I could say I actively like instead of merely existing.

You don't need to like your farking ice cube tray, it needs to simply exist


I don't use ice and I don't fill it, so I don't know when it's going to slosh all over me when I go to get something else. It's not so much like as it doesn't periodically annoy the crap out of me.

If I lived alone, I wouldn't even bother, but in a house with more than one person, it's nice. I still wouldn't have sought it out if our original one didn't break.
 
2021-11-27 4:22:05 PM  

chitownmike: Miss5280: Choice fatigue is the bane of my existence. It's the reason why 2 years after my dishwasher kicked the bucket I still don't have a new dishwasher. I cannot decide on a dishwasher.

At one point last year I had ordered a Bosch model but then a friend told me she hated hers, so I cancelled the order. I'm really sick of hand washing dishes but I also don't want to buy the wrong dishwasher.

God help me it's almost time to replace my refrigerator too.

Just move


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2021-11-27 6:27:05 PM  

exqqqme: I ching


"A suffusion of yellow"
 
2021-11-27 6:48:58 PM  
Just write down your choices, and then write up all the pro and cons and rate each one with a number. Pick the option that rates the highest. You will make mistakes, but you will also make decisions.
 
2021-11-27 7:55:24 PM  

Nurglitch: Just write down your choices, and then write up all the pro and cons and rate each one with a number. Pick the option that rates the highest. You will make mistakes, but you will also make decisions.


You don't think people are doing that mental math in their head already? That's the entire point. They are.

I'm an architect and I met my wife while we were both in architecture school (she also works in the industry). I've designed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of buildings that I'm happy with.

Deciding on how to renovate our own house has been such a nightmare that it took 7 whole years to even start painting. I'm not exaggerating. I'm an extremely fast decision maker, but she's not. We just dropped the entire thing until she had the idea to hire a different architect to design our home. We're in the middle of it now, and I have to admit that not having to make every single decision has made the process so much easier on both of us.

In school we called it "analysis paralysis."
 
2021-11-27 11:56:48 PM  

question_dj: Yes, I am frequently overwhelmed by choice and give up. I try to circumvent this through product research, but with things like clothes? JFC. I hire people to pick clothes for me and find the options I'm given overwhelming too.


You work in IT.

Black t-shirt or polo shirt depending on "I want to look like I do things vs. I want to look corporate", Dark blue jeans.  If you really want to look like you toe the corporate line, buy some of your company's swag polo shirts and wear those every day.  There, your wardrobe is done.
 
2021-11-28 3:36:33 AM  

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All your choices make you change your mind,
Now your calendar's complete. - Billy Joel
 
2021-11-28 6:23:34 AM  
Do they? I don't think I do. Or maybe I do. I'm not sure. I probably do sometimes but not others most I guess
 
2021-11-28 6:41:09 AM  
One pair of in-laws (wife's mom/stepdad) agonize over making choices.  When we moved to Virginia from Philly, they needed to decide where they wanted to be -- stay in Philly, sell their house and move to Virginia, or sell and move to their Florida condo.  They took well over two years to decide, and decided on Florida, ~700 miles away from the nearest family (us), when they were both rapidly approaching 80 years old.

Even after almost two years of living in DeathSantis's Florida during a pandemic, they can't decide whether to stay in loony land or sell and move here.
 
2021-11-28 2:19:20 PM  

Zykstar: PartTimeBuddha: Do people have trouble making choices?

Yes. Some people do.The amount of choices a person can reasonable make changes from person to person. If you've never run into it, it's because you've never been in a situation where you've reached your decision fatigue plateau. Famously, Mark Zuckerberg has a system to limit his daily choice making requirements to reduce decision fatigue.

The limit can be affected by your general mental state too, such as in (but not limited to) people with anxiety and depression.They tend to get lost in the possible consequences of each choice, and wondering which is better, or which they'd like most. They worry that they may not like their choice, and that they would be wasting resources (time/money) on it. It can be so bad as to paralyze them, even if the resource investment is minimal.


There's also people like me who think long and hard about their options, really running down how life would be with this choice or another, and having done so even to the point of deciding which is best, immediately cease to contemplate it altogether even though I never actually took the actions to manifest the choice in the real world.

I have literally thought myself out of cleaning the bathroom by thinking about what a nice clean bathroom I'll have when I'm done.

The shrink says I'm addicted to thinking. Can literally get the dopamine hit of taking action just by thinking about it.
 
2021-11-28 9:12:08 PM  

slantsix: Nurglitch: Just write down your choices, and then write up all the pro and cons and rate each one with a number. Pick the option that rates the highest. You will make mistakes, but you will also make decisions.

You don't think people are doing that mental math in their head already? That's the entire point. They are.

I'm an architect and I met my wife while we were both in architecture school (she also works in the industry). I've designed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of buildings that I'm happy with.

Deciding on how to renovate our own house has been such a nightmare that it took 7 whole years to even start painting. I'm not exaggerating. I'm an extremely fast decision maker, but she's not. We just dropped the entire thing until she had the idea to hire a different architect to design our home. We're in the middle of it now, and I have to admit that not having to make every single decision has made the process so much easier on both of us.

In school we called it "analysis paralysis."


It's not mental math. It's writing out on a sheet of paper. It's a procedure for expediting a decision, with the bonus that you're actually doing something rather than just going by some gut feeling or your own cognitive limitations that prevent a purely 'mental' calculus.
 
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