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2021-11-26 2:26:23 PM  
"Uh, subby... wait, you might be right."

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2021-11-26 2:29:22 PM  

bostonguy: "Uh, subby... wait, you might be right."

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Actually, I always thought VI was great. I don't think I ever saw the ones afterwards.
 
2021-11-26 2:38:31 PM  
I got a audiobook for one of the most recent stories.

OMG...it sucks. It's a like a proud boy fantasy of survivalists crap that's only missing a pizza parlor with child trafficking. Seriously. "Franchise" is this your brand now?
Yeah, I know DEPT 33 (whatever) is part of the cannon in the 90's...but seriously. Today with shadow government paranoia... and the 'hero' booby trapping her home and making bombs against the 'government'
for no explained reason other than it's the 'government'.

Maybe it gets better...I'm only a hour deep in it now...but it's one of the few Audiobooks I want to get a refund credit.
 
2021-11-26 3:00:19 PM  
VI was good. First Contact is a good action flick. I also enjoyed the first and third Kelvin timeline movies.
 
2021-11-26 3:08:43 PM  
Star Trek 4: Save the Whales

/and by "whales" we mean save the budget by setting most of the film in modern earth
 
2021-11-26 4:14:44 PM  
Zee wessels! Zee nuclear wessels!
 
2021-11-26 4:20:25 PM  

Shostie: VI was good. First Contact is a good action flick. I also enjoyed the first and third Kelvin timeline movies.


Those were good, but I think Subby's right that IV was the last good Star Trek movie, instead of a movie with Star Trek characters and sets. It's the one where they're going on some away mission to a weird planet to save people from some weird alien thing. Doesn't that fit in with the rest of the show?
 
2021-11-26 4:22:21 PM  

Mugato: Star Trek 4: Save the Whales

/and by "whales" we mean save the budget by setting most of the film in modern earth


Isn't filming on location a lot more expensive than using sets?
 
2021-11-26 4:30:05 PM  

bostonguy: Mugato: Star Trek 4: Save the Whales

/and by "whales" we mean save the budget by setting most of the film in modern earth

Isn't filming on location a lot more expensive than using sets?


No, especially if there are few post production FX.
 
2021-11-26 5:46:20 PM  
Ugh, that guy Kirk again.
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2021-11-26 5:56:22 PM  
ST III and IV were basically one movie split into two parts, not via design but by circumstances, and both worked, somehow.
 
2021-11-26 5:57:33 PM  
A long time ago I bought "I Am Spock" at the Dollar Store but never read it.
I JUST started reading it yesterday, already halfway through.
It's interesting and a lot of fun, but also funny when he talks about the "what if" of someone else playing Spock, since it was written before Kelvin timeline
 
2021-11-26 5:59:04 PM  

ClavellBCMI: ST III and IV were basically one movie split into two parts, not via design but by circumstances, and both worked, somehow.


Well ST II and III tool place maybe a few weeks apart. It was really a trilogy.
 
2021-11-26 6:00:48 PM  
From the headline I was expecting an article on Undiscovered Country.
 
2021-11-26 6:02:13 PM  

Bootleg: Shostie: VI was good. First Contact is a good action flick. I also enjoyed the first and third Kelvin timeline movies.

Those were good, but I think Subby's right that IV was the last good Star Trek movie, instead of a movie with Star Trek characters and sets. It's the one where they're going on some away mission to a weird planet to save people from some weird alien thing. Doesn't that fit in with the rest of the show?


I can't see how VI doesn't fit with the rest of the show.

IV definitely stands out more tonally.
 
2021-11-26 6:10:09 PM  
My biggest gripe with the ST Next Gen movies was how they brought TV production values to big screen movies. Terrible, just terrible.
 
2021-11-26 6:10:13 PM  

Mugato: ClavellBCMI: ST III and IV were basically one movie split into two parts, not via design but by circumstances, and both worked, somehow.

Well ST II and III tool place maybe a few weeks apart. It was really a trilogy.


They've even packaged 2-4 as a trilogy for home video release. The story is continued directly from each movie to the next.
 
2021-11-26 6:10:20 PM  
Minus 5, all the originals were good. (The motion picture was kind of slow, but not bad.)
 
2021-11-26 6:18:20 PM  

nocturn: My biggest gripe with the ST Next Gen movies was how they brought TV production values to big screen movies. Terrible, just terrible.


Well the writing was worse than most of the show.
 
2021-11-26 6:19:43 PM  

nocturn: My biggest gripe with the ST Next Gen movies was how they brought TV production values to big screen movies. Terrible, just terrible.


The one where they throw away Picard's previous character development so he can get down with some Milf he just met is especially egregious. It was just embarrassing for everyone involved, and a waste of F. MURRAY ABRAHAM!
 
2021-11-26 6:21:19 PM  

Mugato: bostonguy: Mugato: Star Trek 4: Save the Whales

/and by "whales" we mean save the budget by setting most of the film in modern earth

Isn't filming on location a lot more expensive than using sets?

No, especially if there are few post production FX.


Especially if you're filming in the LA media zone and don't need permits.
 
2021-11-26 6:25:53 PM  

Bslim: The one where they throw away Picard's previous character development so he can get down with some Milf he just met is especially egregious. It was just embarrassing for everyone involved, and a waste of F. MURRAY ABRAHAM!


Or PIcard being a dumb shiat in Generations. Or a revenge crazed psycho in First Contact. Or a dune buggy riding, primitive killing dudebro in Nemesis.
 
2021-11-26 6:28:37 PM  
"The last good Star Trek movie debuted 35 years ago today in 1986. Klingon justice is still a unique point of view"

yeah
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well that's just like, your opinion, man.
 
2021-11-26 6:40:47 PM  

Mugato: Or a revenge crazed psycho in First Contact.


That I could actually see.  He's still deeply traumatized by his assimilation, even after his years of recovery, and seeing the Borg come in to try and take his whole species again, and his whole SHIP again, just sends him over the edge and makes him see red.

Picard might be a levelheaded experienced captain, but he is at his heart still human and thus still liable to human emotions.

/the less said about Insurrection, Nemesis, and ST: Picard, the better.
 
2021-11-26 6:43:39 PM  

ClavellBCMI: ST III and IV were basically one movie split into two parts, not via design but by circumstances, and both worked, somehow.


I guess III worked if you the bar is better than V. But that is about it.
 
2021-11-26 6:46:11 PM  

NEDM: That I could actually see. He's still deeply traumatized by his assimilation, even after his years of recovery, and seeing the Borg come in to try and take his whole species again, and his whole SHIP again, just sends him over the edge and makes him see red.


I could buy that if he didn't make friends with "Hugh" and sent him back to the collective without the virus that could have wiped them all out He should have been arrested for sedition for that.
 
2021-11-26 6:57:12 PM  
First Contact was excellent, that's my favorite ST movie. :)
 
2021-11-26 7:06:14 PM  
When I think about how lackluster the TNG films ended up. It always ends up in how the producers/writers:

1. Regressed the characters from where they had developed when All Good Things...aired

2. Tried to make them "action" figures when they were just past their physical prime/middle age chair jockeys. Picard was a senior citizen for godsakes, it was ridiculous.

3. Worf

4. The "humor," First Contact was the worst example with Marina doing her "drunk" comedy bit, embarrassing.
 
2021-11-26 7:09:56 PM  

Bslim: First Contact was the worst example with Marina doing her "drunk" comedy bit, embarrassing.


"Something called tequila"?

I don't care if she's half Betazoid, She's worked with humans on the Enterprise for seven years and whatever she did before that and never heard of tequila?
 
2021-11-26 7:13:55 PM  

Mugato: Bslim: First Contact was the worst example with Marina doing her "drunk" comedy bit, embarrassing.

"Something called tequila"?

I don't care if she's half Betazoid, She's worked with humans on the Enterprise for seven years and whatever she did before that and never heard of tequila?


Seven years and rolled with Riker (a boozehound) since before that. Whoever wrote that should have been escorted off the premises.
 
2021-11-26 7:26:58 PM  

Bslim: Mugato: Bslim: First Contact was the worst example with Marina doing her "drunk" comedy bit, embarrassing.

"Something called tequila"?

I don't care if she's half Betazoid, She's worked with humans on the Enterprise for seven years and whatever she did before that and never heard of tequila?

Seven years and rolled with Riker (a boozehound) since before that. Whoever wrote that should have been escorted off the premises.


Is there tequila featured elsewhere in Star Trek? It is possible that it is essentially forgotten over the next three hundred years. You have WWIII, the Eugenics Wars, and radical shifts as a multitude of new options become available with interstellar commerce. That could certainly cause some currently prominent products to fall out of favour and largely disappear.
 
2021-11-26 7:29:22 PM  

dywed88: Bslim: Mugato: Bslim: First Contact was the worst example with Marina doing her "drunk" comedy bit, embarrassing.

"Something called tequila"?

I don't care if she's half Betazoid, She's worked with humans on the Enterprise for seven years and whatever she did before that and never heard of tequila?

Seven years and rolled with Riker (a boozehound) since before that. Whoever wrote that should have been escorted off the premises.

Is there tequila featured elsewhere in Star Trek? It is possible that it is essentially forgotten over the next three hundred years. You have WWIII, the Eugenics Wars, and radical shifts as a multitude of new options become available with interstellar commerce. That could certainly cause some currently prominent products to fall out of favour and largely disappear.


Okay, I can see that, still it came out corny as all hell.
 
2021-11-26 7:34:57 PM  

dywed88: Is there tequila featured elsewhere in Star Trek? It is possible that it is essentially forgotten over the next three hundred years. You have WWIII, the Eugenics Wars, and radical shifts as a multitude of new options become available with interstellar commerce. That could certainly cause some currently prominent products to fall out of favour and largely disappear.


Isn't First Contact set after WWIII? Anyway, they still have whiskey, scotch, wine (obviously, since Captain "we don't care about owning things" owns a vineyard). So yeah, tequila wasn't specifically mentioned in Trek, I can't believe it just disappeared. But anyway.
 
2021-11-26 7:51:53 PM  
You are correct, subby.
 
2021-11-26 7:58:17 PM  

dywed88: I can't see how VI doesn't fit with the rest of the show.

IV definitely stands out more tonally.


VI is the start of the payoff of TOS "Errand of Mercy." As with IV, it gets to play with some of the Cold War jokes.
 
2021-11-26 8:00:52 PM  
Is it finally time for a colorful metaphor?
 
2021-11-26 8:01:36 PM  
And by the way, it was most excellent of them to dedicate the film to the Challenger crew.
 
2021-11-26 8:09:07 PM  
How can we create a low budget sci-fi futuristic film??

Hmm... I have an idea, have them go back in time and film it in CE!

Brilliant!  Um, how are they going to do the time travel thing?

Oh... That's easy, we'll just "sling shot around the sun".

Um, doesn't that kinda ruin the plot/conflicts of all previous situations the crew has been in and ruin all future episodes if it's that easy?

:|
 
2021-11-26 8:14:52 PM  

boozehat: Brilliant! Um, how are they going to do the time travel thing?

Oh... That's easy, we'll just "sling shot around the sun".

Um, doesn't that kinda ruin the plot/conflicts of all previous situations the crew has been in and ruin all future episodes if it's that easy?


Well why can the Borg travel through time whenever they want?
 
2021-11-26 8:17:03 PM  

Mugato: dywed88: Is there tequila featured elsewhere in Star Trek? It is possible that it is essentially forgotten over the next three hundred years. You have WWIII, the Eugenics Wars, and radical shifts as a multitude of new options become available with interstellar commerce. That could certainly cause some currently prominent products to fall out of favour and largely disappear.

Isn't First Contact set after WWIII? Anyway, they still have whiskey, scotch, wine (obviously, since Captain "we don't care about owning things" owns a vineyard). So yeah, tequila wasn't specifically mentioned in Trek, I can't believe it just disappeared. But anyway.


Maybe after the Eugenics Wars they put up a force field around Mexico and made Khaaaan pay for it.
 
2021-11-26 8:23:06 PM  

boozehat: How can we create a low budget sci-fi futuristic film??

Hmm... I have an idea, have them go back in time and film it in CE!

Brilliant!  Um, how are they going to do the time travel thing?

Oh... That's easy, we'll just "sling shot around the sun".

Um, doesn't that kinda ruin the plot/conflicts of all previous situations the crew has been in and ruin all future episodes if it's that easy?

:|


Time travel first appeared in Trek in The Naked Time, which was the 4th episode of TOS. The slingshot time travel method was also used in Tomorrow is Yesterday and Assignment: Earth.

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2021-11-26 8:24:14 PM  

bostonguy: Mugato: Star Trek 4: Save the Whales

/and by "whales" we mean save the budget by setting most of the film in modern earth

Isn't filming on location a lot more expensive than using sets?


Depends, can you use some empty warehouses and a steam factory, maybe some desert near LA?
 
2021-11-26 8:28:07 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: Zee wessels! Zee nuclear wessels!


If your city obtains the majority of its power from a nearby nuclear power plant, does that make your EV a nuclear vessel?
 
2021-11-26 8:42:20 PM  

Dinjiin: Petit_Merdeux: Zee wessels! Zee nuclear wessels!

If your city obtains the majority of its power from a nearby nuclear power plant, does that make your EV a nuclear vessel?


That means EVs in my town are waterfall-powered.
 
2021-11-26 8:56:13 PM  

Mugato: dywed88: Is there tequila featured elsewhere in Star Trek? It is possible that it is essentially forgotten over the next three hundred years. You have WWIII, the Eugenics Wars, and radical shifts as a multitude of new options become available with interstellar commerce. That could certainly cause some currently prominent products to fall out of favour and largely disappear.

Isn't First Contact set after WWIII? Anyway, they still have whiskey, scotch, wine (obviously, since Captain "we don't care about owning things" owns a vineyard). So yeah, tequila wasn't specifically mentioned in Trek, I can't believe it just disappeared. But anyway.


Sure, but it may be a fairly niche drink by that time. And you have the upcoming events that would make the Colombian Exchange look like any old Tuesday.

And a couple more centuries of changing tastes.
 
2021-11-26 9:05:14 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Is it finally time for a colorful metaphor?


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2021-11-26 9:19:34 PM  
The problem with the time travel in First Contact is at the end Picard tells Geordie to simply "repeat what the Borg did" and he does and they go back to the future (tm).

What that means is now they can time travel with the push of a button.  It's not "slingshot" risky.

It was lazy writing.  I still think it's the best of the Next Gen films (though I didn't hate Generations like everyone else)
My 3 biggest issues with Generations were:

1.  Why would Starfleet put someone like Capt. Harriman (Alan Ruck, I may have the character name wrong) on the Enterprise?
How could someone like him even become captain in the first place, let alone captain of the Federation flagship?
2.  We're told once you're in the Nexus you'll never want to leave.  Yet Picard is there for 3 minutes and was like "whelp!  I've seen enough"
3.  It's a lazy plot contrivance that he can go anywhere, at any time, and he chooses to take another old man (Kirk, for some reason) with him 5 minutes before the villain shoots his rocket

And I'll call this problem 3.5:

They can't shoot down a rocket fired from a planet into the sun??  How fast was that rocket flying?  It took off like a bottle rocket so I simply blame, again, lazy writing and/or Worf is just REALLLLY bad at his job (which we actually know he is)
 
2021-11-26 9:34:50 PM  

buntz: The problem with the time travel in First Contact is at the end Picard tells Geordie to simply "repeat what the Borg did" and he does and they go back to the future (tm).


The problem is that the Borg can obviously do it any time they want, so why don't they do it all the time? No pun intended.

As for the slingshot time travel thing, they could have put in a line where the method was highly classified and the crew was sworn to never use it. Just one more order they would have broken.

Why would Starfleet put someone like Capt. Harriman (Alan Ruck, I may have the character name wrong) on the Enterprise?
How could someone like him even become captain in the first place, let alone captain of the Federation flagship?


To be fair, the Enterprise D was the first Enterprise to be called the flagship. And there's the rule that everyone in Starfleet who isn't part of the Enterprise crew is either a moron or corrupt.
 
2021-11-26 9:42:40 PM  
I came here expecting some sort of (✅) massive geek argument, but I'm pleasantly surprised with this rational discussion.

/saw headline and thought "VI didn't come out in 86"
//then realized subby got it right
///this is not the hell my flamewar
 
2021-11-26 9:46:40 PM  

Mugato: The problem is that the Borg can obviously do it any time they want, so why don't they do it all the time? No pun intended.

To be fair, the Enterprise D was the first Enterprise to be called the flagship. And there's the rule that everyone in Starfleet who isn't part of the Enterprise crew is either a moron or corrupt.


Right, the Borg can but don't and after First Contact the Federation can but don't also!
It makes no sense...unless they explicitly explain to us why!

And they have shown other captains who were not corrupt or morons (the captain from Yesterday's Enterprise for example)
They had to make him that dumb to justify Kirk being Kirk.

But it was just silly
 
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