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2 days ago  
Since the advent of TV
 
2 days ago  
Ho humm, must be a day ending in Pay Me For Streaming.
 
2 days ago  
"You're not going to do much bigger numbers on Thanksgiving with a better matchup. The audience that is going to watch football is already there."


The only real drama in today's game is if Bears' head coach Matt Nagy will get fired at halftime, or will they wait until the game ends.
 
2 days ago  
The NFL has changed so much, there isn't much tradition left.

Might as well keep what you have left.
 
2 days ago  

Badmoodman: "You're not going to do much bigger numbers on Thanksgiving with a better matchup. The audience that is going to watch football is already there."


The only real drama in today's game is if Bears' head coach Matt Nagy will get fired at halftime, or will they wait until the game ends.


I still like the story that he's already fired, but he was told he could coach this game.

I'm sure it isn't true, but, it fits with the stupidity of the Bears management. And the uselessness of Nagy that he would agree.
 
2 days ago  
It was a good game.
 
2 days ago  
at least they play it concurrently with the Macy's Parade! (at least on the west coast) so there's something else to watch!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Remember-
"There is nothing wrong with this Country that can't be cured by what's right with this Country!"
President Bill Clinton
 
2 days ago  
The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.
 
2 days ago  

Ray_Finkle: The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.


edmo: It was a good game.


Both of these.   Everyone knew the Lions would blow it, but there was also a decent chance the Bears would too.   It was far better than the Lions-Steelers crapfest.

If you like football, it was a good game.   If you are a gambler, or fantasy junkie, not so much,
 
2 days ago  

Stud Gerbil: Ray_Finkle: The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.

edmo: It was a good game.

Both of these.   Everyone knew the Lions would blow it, but there was also a decent chance the Bears would too.   It was far better than the Lions-Steelers crapfest.

If you like football, it was a good game.   If you are a gambler, or fantasy junkie, not so much,


I don't think it was a good game.  The defense was not good.  The offense was inept.  It's not a "pitchers' duel" if the hitters can't hit.
 
2 days ago  
I'm curious as to why subby thinks the tv people are wrong. It seems that they have the stats to prove that people will gleefully watch any football on T-day without much regard to who is playing. So why bother wasting the marquee matchup in that time slot?
 
2 days ago  

Ray_Finkle: The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.


Came here to say this. Otherwise, football devolves into only the haves monopolizing the spotlight.
 
2 days ago  
In the 90s, the Lions on Thanksgiving was must-watch TV because of Barry Sanders.  Rather than take away their Thanksgiving game, make the Lions hire competent management and draft someone worth watching.
 
2 days ago  
Somebody needs to take the Lions franchise out behind the shed and put it out of it's misery.  We'll all be happier for it...
 
2 days ago  
The TV executive seem to have a logical position that makes a ton of sense.

The only things the NFL and TV networks care about is how many eyes they get to watch their games. Putting marquee matchups on Sun/Mon and whatever is left on Thanksgiving will get them more ad views and money.
 
2 days ago  
These are the same people who decided to have MLS playoffs on Thanksgiving.
 
2 days ago  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: These are the same people who decided to have MLS playoffs on Thanksgiving.


That game was bonkers at the end, and I almost missed it b/c I was doing dishes and dad has an twitchy remote finger.
 
2 days ago  
The NFL is the most lucrative professional sports league in the world. If there was a huge financial incentive to nuke the Lions game from Thanksgiving they would have done so long ago.
 
2 days ago  
Just have the Lions play a team that doesn't suck. When you have two shiatty teams play against each other, the game is going to suck.
 
2 days ago  

edmo: It was a good game.


Entertaining. I was entertained.
 
2 days ago  

demonfaerie: Just have the Lions play a team that doesn't suck. When you have two shiatty teams play against each other, the game is going to suck.


But the lion's have to play some shiatty teams every year.

Might as well put one of those games on when they basically have a fixed audience.

The vast majority of people who will be watching Thanksgiving football will do that regardless of the matchup.
 
2 days ago  
By their own reasoning, the Cowboys shouldn't play on Thanksgiving, since they already draw huge numbers whenever they play.
 
2 days ago  

snowshovel: I'm curious as to why subby thinks the tv people are wrong. It seems that they have the stats to prove that people will gleefully watch any football on T-day without much regard to who is playing. So why bother wasting the marquee matchup in that time slot?


Subby here.

I've long lobbied for the Lions to lose the Thanksgiving game for a few reasons.

1. Any executive that argues to keep the Lions in this spot is both lazy and stupid. Thanksgiving is a captive market, and the goal isn't to capture the active fan. It's capture the casual fan. Football is what's on before thanksgiving dinner. Why wouldn't you want the casual fan to see your best product? The active fan is likely going to watch no matter what, but you have to be willing to put your best product forward when you have casual fans watching. Why wouldn't you watching more? Putting the Lions on in a valuable time slot makes absolutely no sense from a long term perspective. You want more people to want to watch, and convert the casual fan to an active fan. This is why you see the best players and teams on Christmas Day in the NBA. They completely understand this principle.

The Lions won't do that.

2. Basically, the argument executives put forth is "Uhh...tradition." If that's the best reason you can put forth, you need to seriously rethink what you're doing. I'm a Texans fan, and I'd be just as appalled if somehow we got a prime spot during the season without having any valid reason for having it other than...well...reasons.

3. We're rewarding a franchise with a prime spot for what reason exactly? Again, going back to the Texans for a moment. The NFL buried our Thursday game on the NFL Network with good reason. We suck & no one wants to watch Davis Mills be terrible. It makes zero sense to give teams prime spots if they just continue to be terrible.

Basically, it's a flimsy terrible argument that doesn't advance the game, doesn't motivate the casual fan, and frankly, it's just a terrible product they keep pushing when they have so much better selection. It makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sorry but the executives are completely wrong here.
 
2 days ago  
Rotate the team's give Cleveland or another low on the rung team a chance at national game.
 
2 days ago  

dywed88: demonfaerie: Just have the Lions play a team that doesn't suck. When you have two shiatty teams play against each other, the game is going to suck.

But the lion's have to play some shiatty teams every year.

Might as well put one of those games on when they basically have a fixed audience.

The vast majority of people who will be watching Thanksgiving football will do that regardless of the matchup.


True, but at least give them a shiatty team that can actually beat. I know they almost beat the Bears, but they need someone more or their level like the Jaguars or Jets. Hell, maybe they can find a away to play themselves.
 
2 days ago  

demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: Just have the Lions play a team that doesn't suck. When you have two shiatty teams play against each other, the game is going to suck.

But the lion's have to play some shiatty teams every year.

Might as well put one of those games on when they basically have a fixed audience.

The vast majority of people who will be watching Thanksgiving football will do that regardless of the matchup.

True, but at least give them a shiatty team that can actually beat. I know they almost beat the Bears, but they need someone more or their level like the Jaguars or Jets. Hell, maybe they can find a away to play themselves.


It's the Lions, what shiatty team can you pick before the season starts that they are likely to be able to beat?
 
2 days ago  
I can give you a one word answer why the Lions will never lose the Thanksgiving game.

FORD.

Everytime it has been discussed that the game be taken away the Ford family says ok do that, but we won't be advertising with the NFL anymore.
It money ladies and gents pure and simple.
 
2 days ago  

dywed88: demonfaerie: dywed88: demonfaerie: Just have the Lions play a team that doesn't suck. When you have two shiatty teams play against each other, the game is going to suck.

But the lion's have to play some shiatty teams every year.

Might as well put one of those games on when they basically have a fixed audience.

The vast majority of people who will be watching Thanksgiving football will do that regardless of the matchup.

True, but at least give them a shiatty team that can actually beat. I know they almost beat the Bears, but they need someone more or their level like the Jaguars or Jets. Hell, maybe they can find a away to play themselves.

It's the Lions, what shiatty team can you pick before the season starts that they are likely to be able to beat?


They did tie with the Steelers. Honestly this year, there is no good football team. No one deserves to go to the Superbowl this year. All the teams are average, and teams that win are just lucky.
 
2 days ago  
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"Well, why am I watching it?"

"Because it's on TV."
 
2 days ago  
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2 days ago  

Rapmaster2000: Stud Gerbil: Ray_Finkle: The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.

edmo: It was a good game.

Both of these.   Everyone knew the Lions would blow it, but there was also a decent chance the Bears would too.   It was far better than the Lions-Steelers crapfest.

If you like football, it was a good game.   If you are a gambler, or fantasy junkie, not so much,

I don't think it was a good game.  The defense was not good.  The offense was inept.  It's not a "pitchers' duel" if the hitters can't hit.


But, you still watched the game, right?
 
2 days ago  

Trocadero: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: These are the same people who decided to have MLS playoffs on Thanksgiving.

That game was bonkers at the end, and I almost missed it b/c I was doing dishes and dad has an twitchy remote finger.


TBH that was the best football game of the day.

/in fairness I only caught the last 30 minutes or so
//the Colorado flopping and the red card given to Portland is why more Americans can't stand your sport, though, soccer
///if they're gonna give him a red card anyway he should at least get to give the flopping little sh*t a proper uppercut
 
2 days ago  
There are 3 constant traditions on Thanksgiving: turkey, Detroit losing, and the Cowboys being questionable.
 
2 days ago  

jayphat: There are 3 constant traditions on Thanksgiving: turkey, Detroit losing, and the Cowboys being questionable.


All I see are 3 turkeys.

/ hiyooooooooo
 
2 days ago  

germ78: Ray_Finkle: The lions literally have nothing else. Let them have the stupid game.

Came here to say this. Otherwise, football devolves into only the haves monopolizing the spotlight.


Also, for those of us on the west coast, the game was at 9:30am, easy to sleep through or ignore if we don't care.
 
1 day ago  
You are going to watch wether it's a bad team or a good team, so we might as well have a bad team play and call it 'tradition'
 
1 day ago  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: snowshovel: I'm curious as to why subby thinks the tv people are wrong. It seems that they have the stats to prove that people will gleefully watch any football on T-day without much regard to who is playing. So why bother wasting the marquee matchup in that time slot?

Subby here.

I've long lobbied for the Lions to lose the Thanksgiving game for a few reasons.

1. Any executive that argues to keep the Lions in this spot is both lazy and stupid. Thanksgiving is a captive market, and the goal isn't to capture the active fan. It's capture the casual fan. Football is what's on before thanksgiving dinner. Why wouldn't you want the casual fan to see your best product? The active fan is likely going to watch no matter what, but you have to be willing to put your best product forward when you have casual fans watching. Why wouldn't you watching more? Putting the Lions on in a valuable time slot makes absolutely no sense from a long term perspective. You want more people to want to watch, and convert the casual fan to an active fan. This is why you see the best players and teams on Christmas Day in the NBA. They completely understand this principle.

The Lions won't do that.

2. Basically, the argument executives put forth is "Uhh...tradition." If that's the best reason you can put forth, you need to seriously rethink what you're doing. I'm a Texans fan, and I'd be just as appalled if somehow we got a prime spot during the season without having any valid reason for having it other than...well...reasons.

3. We're rewarding a franchise with a prime spot for what reason exactly? Again, going back to the Texans for a moment. The NFL buried our Thursday game on the NFL Network with good reason. We suck & no one wants to watch Davis Mills be terrible. It makes zero sense to give teams prime spots if they just continue to be terrible.

Basically, it's a flimsy terrible argument that doesn't advance the game, doesn't motivate the casual fan, and frankly, it's just a terrible prod ...


Because in that time slot on that day, everyone is conditioned to have a game on in the background during lunch that nobody cares about. After you stumble out of the carbo-dome, you'll plop down on the couch, or whatever, and see the Cowboys game is about to begin. Woohoo! A game that REALLY matters. Even though it usually doesn't.

Seriously, though. The Lions have been so bad for so long that the league won't pull them off of what could be a primetime slot.
 
1 day ago  
I was watching women's beach volleyball on another channel while the Lions' game was on.
 
1 day ago  
From our cold dead hands

We have nothing else, if they take Thanksgiving, it will kill the franchise. Everyone knows this deep down inside
 
1 day ago  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Subby here.

I've long lobbied for the Lions to lose the Thanksgiving game for a few reasons.

1. Any executive that argues to keep the Lions in this spot is both lazy and stupid. Thanksgiving is a captive market, and the goal isn't to capture the active fan. It's capture the casual fan. Football is what's on before thanksgiving dinner. Why wouldn't you want the casual fan to see your best product? The active fan is likely going to watch no matter what, but you have to be willing to put your best product forward when you have casual fans watching. Why wouldn't you watching more? Putting the Lions on in a valuable time slot makes absolutely no sense from a long term perspective. You want more people to want to watch, and convert the casual fan to an active fan. This is why you see the best players and teams on Christmas Day in the NBA. They completely understand this principle.

The Lions won't do that.

2. Basically, the argument executives put forth is "Uhh...tradition." If that's the best reason you can put forth, you need to seriously rethink what you're doing. I'm a Texans fan, and I'd be just as appalled if somehow we got a prime spot during the season without having any valid reason for having it other than...well...reasons.

3. We're rewarding a franchise with a prime spot for what reason exactly? Again, going back to the Texans for a moment. The NFL buried our Thursday game on the NFL Network with good reason. We suck & no one wants to watch Davis Mills be terrible. It makes zero sense to give teams prime spots if they just continue to be terrible.

Basically, it's a flimsy terrible argument that doesn't advance the game, doesn't motivate the casual fan, and frankly, it's just a terrible product they keep pushing when they have so much better selection. It makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sorry but the executives are completely wrong here.


Here's my problem with your case: You're assuming there are more casual fans out there to capture. I really don't think there are.

Yes, you have a captive audience. In fact, you have something better: You have an audience that has the day off from work and is gathered in larger groups than usual with family, where those groups probably want to watch the thing that will please the most people in the group. The most-watched thing on television in America is ... football. So people, to please the most people, houses will put on football, good or bad.

I don't think better football will entice any more casual fans on a day like this than bad football. There's basically no other programming you're competing against of the sort. Folks that want to watch the parade or the National Dog Show aren't choosing between football and those things. If folks are remotely interested in sports, they're watching that game. Maybe a few degenerate gamblers are watching college basketball, but they're probably switching back and forth, too.

I think it's different for the NBA on Christmas, which still has a more-variable audience depending on the star power of the moment, and has a lot of Christmas programming to compete against, along with the more-active nature of the day (kids, presents, etc.). What "great" Thanksgiving programming is out there other than the couple other things I mentioned and maybe a Charlie Brown special? Again, the NFL doesn't need to put its best foot forward the same way on a day that revolves around eating, then plunking in front of the TV and taking a tryptophan nap.

Also, you call it a "reward." I don't think it's necessarily a reward. Heck, the way the Lions are playing, they probably don't want to have their play displayed so visibly; it's almost more of a punishment for them. In the end, I think it's just called, "We need to play all the games and this is a convenient time to do it because those fans are used to having a game on this day." Heck, Ford Field looked fairly full today. There's a good chance it won't be that full the rest of the season.

And, as the article outlines, folks will still watch the best games this weekend. However, you got them to watch an extra game today with two bad teams. That's a win for the NFL. Folks are smart enough to know there's better football out there than Bears/Lions; again, it's the most-watched thing in America, it's not like folks don't see good football at least once a year in the Super Bowl. What they saw today won't necessarily turn them off from the game.

In the end, I think the article makes a better case than yours. Sorry, Subby. Don't think you win this battle.
 
1 day ago  
The TV contracts specify that every team has at least one Thursday game every season.

If you can get the Lions game out of the way on Thanksgiving, with its built in big audience, that frees up the other weeks with potentially better matchups, and possibly more eyeballs drawn to those off weeks.

Let's face it, a lot of people would rather watch even a bad football team than deal with relatives on Thanksgiving.

The TV exec is right, and I hate agreeing with TV execs.
 
1 day ago  

Pfighting Polish: Straight Outta Wells Branch: Subby here.

I've long lobbied for the Lions to lose the Thanksgiving game for a few reasons.

1. Any executive that argues to keep the Lions in this spot is both lazy and stupid. Thanksgiving is a captive market, and the goal isn't to capture the active fan. It's capture the casual fan. Football is what's on before thanksgiving dinner. Why wouldn't you want the casual fan to see your best product? The active fan is likely going to watch no matter what, but you have to be willing to put your best product forward when you have casual fans watching. Why wouldn't you watching more? Putting the Lions on in a valuable time slot makes absolutely no sense from a long term perspective. You want more people to want to watch, and convert the casual fan to an active fan. This is why you see the best players and teams on Christmas Day in the NBA. They completely understand this principle.

The Lions won't do that.

2. Basically, the argument executives put forth is "Uhh...tradition." If that's the best reason you can put forth, you need to seriously rethink what you're doing. I'm a Texans fan, and I'd be just as appalled if somehow we got a prime spot during the season without having any valid reason for having it other than...well...reasons.

3. We're rewarding a franchise with a prime spot for what reason exactly? Again, going back to the Texans for a moment. The NFL buried our Thursday game on the NFL Network with good reason. We suck & no one wants to watch Davis Mills be terrible. It makes zero sense to give teams prime spots if they just continue to be terrible.

Basically, it's a flimsy terrible argument that doesn't advance the game, doesn't motivate the casual fan, and frankly, it's just a terrible product they keep pushing when they have so much better selection. It makes absolutely no sense, and I'm sorry but the executives are completely wrong here.

Here's my problem with your case: You're assuming there are more casual fans out there to capture. I really don't think there are.

Yes, you have a captive audience. In fact, you have something better: You have an audience that has the day off from work and is gathered in larger groups than usual with family, where those groups probably want to watch the thing that will please the most people in the group. The most-watched thing on television in America is ... football. So people, to please the most people, houses will put on football, good or bad.

I don't think better football will entice any more casual fans on a day like this than bad football. There's basically no other programming you're competing against of the sort. Folks that want to watch the parade or the National Dog Show aren't choosing between football and those things. If folks are remotely interested in sports, they're watching that game. Maybe a few degenerate gamblers are watching college basketball, but they're probably switching back and forth, too.

I think it's different for the NBA on Christmas, which still has a more-variable audience depending on the star power of the moment, and has a lot of Christmas programming to compete against, along with the more-active nature of the day (kids, presents, etc.). What "great" Thanksgiving programming is out there other than the couple other things I mentioned and maybe a Charlie Brown special? Again, the NFL doesn't need to put its best foot forward the same way on a day that revolves around eating, then plunking in front of the TV and taking a tryptophan nap.

Also, you call it a "reward." I don't think it's necessarily a reward. Heck, the way the Lions are playing, they probably don't want to have their play displayed so visibly; it's almost more of a punishment for them. In the end, I think it's just called, "We need to play all the games and this is a convenient time to do it because those fans are used to having a game on this day." Heck, Ford Field looked fairly full today. There's a good chance it won't be that full the rest of the season.

And, as the article outlines, folks will still watch the best games this weekend. However, you got them to watch an extra game today with two bad teams. That's a win for the NFL. Folks are smart enough to know there's better football out there than Bears/Lions; again, it's the most-watched thing in America, it's not like folks don't see good football at least once a year in the Super Bowl. What they saw today won't necessarily turn them off from the game.

In the end, I think the article makes a better case than yours. Sorry, Subby. Don't think you win this battle.


Also, the parade wraps up 30 minutes before kickoff.  So the only thing competing is the dog show.
 
1 day ago  
Ford probably spends a lot of money to make sure this Thursday game happens.
 
1 day ago  

45cal: I can give you a one word answer why the Lions will never lose the Thanksgiving game.

FORD.

Everytime it has been discussed that the game be taken away the Ford family says ok do that, but we won't be advertising with the NFL anymore.
It money ladies and gents pure and simple.


Solution: Move the Lions to Hong Kong. Then the CCP can choose the SB teams each year.
 
1 day ago  
The way I see it is, they thought of it, they get to keep it.
Also, I don't want my team being the sacrificial... uh... team in the worst time slot of the season.
 
1 day ago  
What really grinds my gears here is we're all accepting the goal -- maximize profits.  No one gives a f*ck about the audience happiness, you're all going to be watching anyway because you have nothing better to do so the NFL may as well just throw on a garbage game for you to suck it up and watch.
 
1 day ago  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: We're rewarding a franchise with a prime spot for what reason exactly?


Because they came up with the idea, they did it first, and because it is a tradition for the people of Detroit to go to a football game on Thanksgiving.

You want another game on at the same time? Sure, go crazy. But the Lions started Thanksgiving football and it's always been a Detroit thing.
 
1 day ago  
At the end of the day, no one else is going to go to a noon football game on Thanksgiving. The only reason Detroiters do it is because they've been doing it for 60 years.
 
1 day ago  
Pretty much the ONLY time during the season to see the Lions play.  The novelty alone is worth the watch.

/1st game, road team wins.
//2nd game, road team wins.
///3rd game, road team wins.
 
1 day ago  
The TV isnt just showing frontrunner teams (and the Cowboys) on MY holiday?

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