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2021-11-25 1:10:05 PM  
Something something FDA oversight...
 
2021-11-25 1:23:12 PM  
It can make for a rather relaxing combination.
 
2021-11-25 3:36:49 PM  
Think of the poor folks who bought the mislabeled THC drops and thought they were getting high, only to find themselves with a modest reduction in aches and pains.
 
2021-11-25 4:01:31 PM  
Hah. Going to the emergency room for weed.
 
2021-11-25 4:12:55 PM  
People could lose their jobs over that type of mix up
 
2021-11-25 4:20:45 PM  
THC in my CBD helps me with pain relief & sleep management.
I think it also helped me to not go batsh*t insane during the covid lockdown.
 
2021-11-25 4:25:03 PM  
Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.
 
2021-11-25 4:30:20 PM  
"One time, someone put a drop of LSD in my beer...I spent a whole evening trying to figure out who I should give five bucks to"

~some comedian
 
2021-11-25 4:37:58 PM  
Ayuba Agbonkhese alleged that he required "immediate medical treatment in the emergency room, and experienced harm including the belief he was going to die, shaking, racing heart, psychosis, discomfort, and distress, and interference with life activities."

A similar thing happened to my friend Becky, only she died.
 
2021-11-25 5:21:52 PM  

oldfarthenry: THC in my CBD helps me with pain relief & sleep management.
I think it also helped me to not go batsh*t insane during the covid lockdown.


THC in my CBD made my mind and heart race, so I take the CBD without THC to sleep and have pain relief. We're all different.
 
2021-11-25 5:42:01 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ayuba Agbonkhese alleged that he required "immediate medical treatment in the emergency room, and experienced harm including the belief he was going to die, shaking, racing heart, psychosis, discomfort, and distress, and interference with life activities."

A similar thing happened to my friend Becky, only she died.


I can believe him. There probably wasn't any actual danger, but you start being affected by THC and don't know why (and quite possibly are not familiar with it) that could easily make you perceive a serious medical issue.

It isn't the THC that is the problem, it is the psychoactive drug being in something that explicitly isn't supposed to contain and psychoactive drugs.
 
2021-11-25 6:26:29 PM  

RadicalEd: oldfarthenry: THC in my CBD helps me with pain relief & sleep management.
I think it also helped me to not go batsh*t insane during the covid lockdown.

THC in my CBD made my mind and heart race, so I take the CBD without THC to sleep and have pain relief. We're all different.


That's called being stoned
 
2021-11-25 7:55:24 PM  
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2021-11-25 8:06:45 PM  

fragMasterFlash: It can make for a rather relaxing combination.


It does seem like a victimless crime.
 
2021-11-25 10:14:39 PM  

dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.


Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby

AbuHashish: fragMasterFlash: It can make for a rather relaxing combination.

It does seem like a victimless crime.


These are civil cases in which the plaintiffs are seeking money damages.  There are no criminal charges involved.

beezeltown: Something something FDA oversight...


Maybe Curaleaf should have waited to put out these products until weed becomes legal at the federal level and the FDA gets involved.  Not that the FDA would necessarily approve the marketing of any of these products for the purposes for which they are advertised, of course.
 
2021-11-25 11:03:05 PM  

tirob: dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.

Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby


Out of morbid curiosity, how much do you think the plaintiffs should be awarded for their anxiety attacks and/or ER visits, remembering that damages are based on provable harm done and not on what you imagine that harm to be?

At least someone is thinking of the shysters.
 
2021-11-26 5:43:29 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.

Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby

Out of morbid curiosity, how much do you think the plaintiffs should be awarded for their anxiety attacks and/or ER visits, remembering that damages are based on provable harm done and not on what you imagine that harm to be?

At least someone is thinking of the shysters.


I personally think they should be awarded nothing, because they knew they were buying rubbish that has never been approved by the FDA for the purposes that it is advertised for, and therefore assumed the risk that whatever they were putting into themselves might hurt them. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't hope they win their cases for big bucks.
 
2021-11-26 7:44:41 AM  
The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.
 
2021-11-26 8:34:26 AM  

johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.


To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management​/​cbd-thc-difference
 
2021-11-26 9:18:03 AM  

johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob)


Wasn't me.
 
2021-11-26 9:41:55 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ayuba Agbonkhese alleged that he required "immediate medical treatment in the emergency room, and experienced harm including the belief he was going to die, shaking, racing heart, psychosis, discomfort, and distress, and interference with life activities."

A similar thing happened to my friend Becky, only she died.


I'm pretty sure that's Taylor Swift.
 
2021-11-26 10:42:43 AM  

The Smails Kid: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Ayuba Agbonkhese alleged that he required "immediate medical treatment in the emergency room, and experienced harm including the belief he was going to die, shaking, racing heart, psychosis, discomfort, and distress, and interference with life activities."

A similar thing happened to my friend Becky, only she died.

I'm pretty sure that's Taylor Swift.


no its becky
 
2021-11-26 11:31:14 AM  

johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference


That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.
 
2021-11-26 11:35:31 AM  

dywed88: johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference

That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.


To add: this wasn't "oops a batch of our CBD had slightly increased amounts of THC" it was selling THC labelled as CBD.
 
2021-11-26 12:22:24 PM  

dywed88: johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference

That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.


No, it is not meaningless. You expect to get some THC in your CBD don't you? Because you ARE. Legally they don't have ground to stand on.
 
2021-11-26 12:37:23 PM  

dywed88: dywed88: johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference

That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.

To add: this wasn't "oops a batch of our CBD had slightly increased amounts of THC" it was selling THC labelled as CBD.


All CBD has THC in it.  It's just a pretty low amount.  Look at any CBD product, it'll show the THC percentage and absolute amount.  There's simply a maximum amount allowed.  If this is more than that maximum amount, they have a case.  If this is a case where THC is simply in a CBD product, that's 100% intended and will get laughed out of the court.  Seems like it's the latter, but the article is severely lacking in details so I really can't say for sure.
 
2021-11-26 12:39:30 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.

Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby

Out of morbid curiosity, how much do you think the plaintiffs should be awarded for their anxiety attacks and/or ER visits, remembering that damages are based on provable harm done and not on what you imagine that harm to be?

At least someone is thinking of the shysters.

I personally think they should be awarded nothing, because they knew they were buying rubbish that has never been approved by the FDA for the purposes that it is advertised for, and therefore assumed the risk that whatever they were putting into themselves might hurt them. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't hope they win their cases for big bucks.


Should people poisoned by tainted homeopathic remedies, or paralyzed by chiropractors, or who have suffered adverse reactions to FDA-approved medications prescribed by licensed physicians for off-label purposes, also be awarded nothing? Or are you just being your usual hypocritical self?
 
2021-11-26 12:47:47 PM  

jake3988: dywed88: dywed88: johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference

That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.

To add: this wasn't "oops a batch of our CBD had slightly increased amounts of THC" it was selling THC labelled as CBD.

All CBD has THC in it.  It's just a pretty low amount.  Look at any CBD product, it'll show the THC percentage and absolute amount.  There's simply a maximum amount allowed.  If this is more than that maximum amount, they have a case.  If this is a case where THC is simply in a CBD product, that's 100% intended and will get laughed out of the court.  Seems like it's the latter, but the article is severely lacking in details so I really can't say for sure.


TFA literally includes that the company admitted to labelling THC drops as CBD and vice versa.
 
2021-11-26 12:52:45 PM  

jake3988: dywed88: dywed88: johnphantom: johnphantom: The lawsuit will be thrown out. All CBD has at least trace amounts of THC in it, you know you are getting THC when you buy CBD. It is unavoidable, the CBD and THC molecule are identical except for one connection or disconnection between two particular atoms in the molecule, making it either CBD or THC.

To whoever funnied this (I'm sure tirob) inform your stupidity:

CBD and THC have the same chemical formula -- 21 carbon atoms, 30 hydrogen atoms, and two oxygen atoms. The difference lies in the way the atoms are arranged.

https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/​cbd-thc-difference

That is also completely meaningless. Two molecules having the same elements arranged slightly different can result in completely different compounds that do entirely different things.

Yes, CBD will contain some THC, but it is supposed to be a negligible amount that will not have any pharmacological effect. And accidentally filling your CBD package with concentrated THC and selling it to people is a pretty serious fark up.

To add: this wasn't "oops a batch of our CBD had slightly increased amounts of THC" it was selling THC labelled as CBD.

All CBD has THC in it.  It's just a pretty low amount.  Look at any CBD product, it'll show the THC percentage and absolute amount.  There's simply a maximum amount allowed.  If this is more than that maximum amount, they have a case.  If this is a case where THC is simply in a CBD product, that's 100% intended and will get laughed out of the court.  Seems like it's the latter, but the article is severely lacking in details so I really can't say for sure.


Which has nothing to do with them being isomers.

That there is a pharmacologically negligible amount of THC in CBD products doesn't mean it is fine to just send out THC labelled as CBD.

Any alcohol product will contain some amount of methanol, but if someone sold vodka where virtually all the alcohol was methanol that would be a huge freaking issue.
 
2021-11-26 3:22:21 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.

Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby

Out of morbid curiosity, how much do you think the plaintiffs should be awarded for their anxiety attacks and/or ER visits, remembering that damages are based on provable harm done and not on what you imagine that harm to be?

At least someone is thinking of the shysters.

I personally think they should be awarded nothing, because they knew they were buying rubbish that has never been approved by the FDA for the purposes that it is advertised for, and therefore assumed the risk that whatever they were putting into themselves might hurt them. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't hope they win their cases for big bucks.

Should people poisoned by tainted homeopathic remedies, or paralyzed by chiropractors, or who have suffered adverse reactions to FDA-approved medications prescribed by licensed physicians for off-label purposes, also be awarded nothing? Or are you just being your usual hypocritical self?


1.  No, except in cases where the person affected knew or should have known that the remedy in question was tainted or otherwise dangerous to ingest.  2.  No, or not since it has become legal for chiropractors to practice, anyway, and assuming that the chiropractor is at fault for the paralysis.  3.  No, not if they sue the doctor, and this because the doctor has a professional responsibility to decline to write prescriptions for drugs that are meant to be abused.  To the best of my knowledge, however, drug manufacturers are usually not liable for bad reactions to their (FDA approved) products if those products are abused, unless, say, they engage in questionable marketing practices for the purpose of increasing sales, genre the Sacklers.

Basically, when it comes to weed or weed products, it's caveat emptor.  Unless you're ingesting one of the handful of compounds that are approved by the FDA, you should be aware that you're almost certainly buying your stuff from sleazeballs who frankly don't care what goes into their merchaindise as long as they get you hooked.  I'd say that qualifies as assumption of the risk.
 
2021-11-26 3:31:25 PM  
...merchandise...
 
2021-11-26 7:35:25 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: tirob: dywed88: Uh, yes subby, that should be a lawsuit. Giving people THC while telling them it is not THC is a problem.

Quite right.  And I hope every shyster personal injury lawyer in the country sues Curaleaf and its owners into bankruptcy.

/subby

Out of morbid curiosity, how much do you think the plaintiffs should be awarded for their anxiety attacks and/or ER visits, remembering that damages are based on provable harm done and not on what you imagine that harm to be?

At least someone is thinking of the shysters.

I personally think they should be awarded nothing, because they knew they were buying rubbish that has never been approved by the FDA for the purposes that it is advertised for, and therefore assumed the risk that whatever they were putting into themselves might hurt them. That doesn't mean, however, that I don't hope they win their cases for big bucks.

Should people poisoned by tainted homeopathic remedies, or paralyzed by chiropractors, or who have suffered adverse reactions to FDA-approved medications prescribed by licensed physicians for off-label purposes, also be awarded nothing? Or are you just being your usual hypocritical self?

1.  No, except in cases where the person affected knew or should have known that the remedy in question was tainted or otherwise dangerous to ingest.  2.  No, or not since it has become legal for chiropractors to practice, anyway, and assuming that the chiropractor is at fault for the paralysis.  3.  No, not if they sue the doctor, and this because the doctor has a professional responsibility to decline to write prescriptions for drugs that are meant to be abused.  To the best of my knowledge, however, drug manufacturers are usually not liable for bad reactions to their (FDA approved) products if those products are abused, unless, say, they engage in questionable marketing practices for the purpose of increasing sales, genre the Sacklers.

Basically ...


...more of your usual hypocritical, goalpost-moving bullsh*t.

You specifically asserted that no damages should be awarded if the goods and/or services involved had "never been approved by the FDA for the purposes that it is advertised for, and therefore assumed the risk." So exactly how and when have homeopathic remedies in general, chiropractic adjustments for nonorthopedic conditions such as flu prevention, or off-label uses for prescription medications (as advertised by the prescribing physician) been approved by the FDA? Put another way, other than your usual cannabiphobic ooga-booga, what's the difference between believing that a licensed and regulated product is properly labeled versus believing that physical manipulation can cure infectious diseases that makes the former less worthy of compensation because "buyer beware"?
 
2021-11-26 9:08:05 PM  

common sense is an oxymoron: .more of your usual


More of *your* customary bogus accusations in lieu of arguments.

common sense is an oxymoron: cannabiphobic


Spare me.

As for your silly question, homeopathic "remedies" can be made up of just about anything.  If someone voluntarily drinks carrot juice to cure blindness, it's not going to hurt them, so I don't see where a patient who sues the carrot juice maker would be able to show harm, FDA or no FDA.  On the subject of chiropractors claiming that their techniques can ward off the flu, I had never heard of such a thing until you mentioned it just now; I had assumed that you were talking about chiropractors who paralyzed their patients during the course of work that they are allowed to perform legally.  It goes without saying that patients should be able to sue quacks who make such claims if they are harmed by those quacks.  As for abuse of prescription drugs, come on now.  You know as well as I do that if you abuse such substances, you're assuming the risk.

common sense is an oxymoron: licensed and regulated product


Are you talking about weed-derived products?  Licensed and regulated by whom?  For what purpose or purposes?
 
2021-11-26 10:10:32 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: .more of your usual

More of *your* customary bogus accusations in lieu of arguments.

common sense is an oxymoron: cannabiphobic

Spare me.

As for your silly question, homeopathic "remedies" can be made up of just about anything.  If someone voluntarily drinks carrot juice to cure blindness, it's not going to hurt them, so I don't see where a patient who sues the carrot juice maker would be able to show harm, FDA or no FDA.  On the subject of chiropractors claiming that their techniques can ward off the flu, I had never heard of such a thing until you mentioned it just now; I had assumed that you were talking about chiropractors who paralyzed their patients during the course of work that they are allowed to perform legally.  It goes without saying that patients should be able to sue quacks who make such claims if they are harmed by those quacks.  As for abuse of prescription drugs, come on now.  You know as well as I do that if you abuse such substances, you're assuming the risk.

common sense is an oxymoron: licensed and regulated product

Are you talking about weed-derived products?  Licensed and regulated by whom?  For what purpose or purposes?


CBD in the state of Oregon is regulated by the Oregon Liquor and Cannabis Commission. Who order the recall of the CBD oil exceeding the legal limits of THC.

Also worth noting the company here was fined and settled a class action lawsuit last year for mislabeling marijuana products.

And any of the benefit of the doubt is thrown out the window when the seed funding to set up the company came from a real estate scam. Along with having to fire the prior CEO for being a rapist, it is clear that this company is rotten.
 
2021-11-26 10:46:04 PM  

tirob: common sense is an oxymoron: .more of your usual

More of *your* customary bogus accusations in lieu of arguments.

common sense is an oxymoron: cannabiphobic

Spare me.

As for your silly question, homeopathic "remedies" can be made up of just about anything.  If someone voluntarily drinks carrot juice to cure blindness, it's not going to hurt them, so I don't see where a patient who sues the carrot juice maker would be able to show harm, FDA or no FDA.  On the subject of chiropractors claiming that their techniques can ward off the flu, I had never heard of such a thing until you mentioned it just now; I had assumed that you were talking about chiropractors who paralyzed their patients during the course of work that they are allowed to perform legally.  It goes without saying that patients should be able to sue quacks who make such claims if they are harmed by those quacks.  As for abuse of prescription drugs, come on now.  You know as well as I do that if you abuse such substances, you're assuming the risk.


None of which addresses the lack of FDA approval which you claim to be the defining factor in whether or not a risk is assumed. Or why you believe someone who reads this at a chiropractor's office...

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is not assuming a risk, while someone who buys a mislabeled product that slipped through QA is.

And your characterization of off-label prescription as "abuse" would come as a surprise to, among others, the FDA itself:

Off-label prescribing is when a physician gives you a drug that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved to treat a condition different than your condition. This practice is legal and common. In fact, one in five prescriptions written today are for off-label use.

So do you still believe that a dispensary customer who trusts a label for a regulated product, a patient who takes a drug prescribed in good faith by a licensed physician for a non-FDA-approved purpose, and an abuser of non-FDA-approved street drugs are all voluntarily taking on the same level of risk?
 
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