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    More: Stupid, Clean Water Act, Nuclear power, Nuclear fission, Lists of nuclear disasters and radioactive incidents, United States Environmental Protection Agency, Water pollution, Radioactive waste, Spent fuel pool  
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5008 clicks; posted to Main » on 25 Nov 2021 at 8:05 AM (3 days ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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3 days ago  
The Bay has long been the convenient dump site for the Mainland's garbage. I remember playing with beach whistles as a kid. Why not some radioactive waste to finish destroying what's left of a once amazing and diverse ecosystem?

Beach whistles:

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3 days ago  
Missing from the article: half life of the compounds being released.  Is this just water that will lose its radioactivity within a week or are there pieces of plutonium dust that will remain radioactive for centuries?

I see no problem if it's water that will lose its radioactivity quickly. I'd be alittle more concerned about pumping longer lived radioactive mud into the bay.
 
3 days ago  
But on the plus side, it's not uptight, and it's not your captive.
 
3 days ago  
Two other possible options discussed at Monday's meeting are trucking the water off-site to an approved facility, as Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant did in shipping its contaminated water to a site in Idaho or to evaporate it, a process that has already been employed in some areas of the Plymouth plant.

In 1988, there was a Cs137 capsule leak into a shielding/cooling pool at a commercial irradiator outside Atlanta. After they identified and removed the leaking capsule, and other possible leakers, they started running a demineralization process on the water, as they removed the other capsules - the capsules were all sent back to the Department of Energy at the Hanford site.
What to do with the water? After running the processes on it, it was essentially distilled water. The original idea was to run it into the drains - it would have been the cleanest "sewage" ever, but the county wouldn't issue a permit.
They also were keeping the water warm. It eventually evaporated. IIRC, it was 50,000 gallons or so.

Pilgrim is 1 million. Trucking 1 million gallons would take +/- 300 truck trips (150 loaded trips, plus the return trips). I have no idea how long it would take to make that much water evaporate.

Source: I knew the state guys doing the monitoring of the cleanup at the Georgia site.
 
3 days ago  
I'm sorry to crash your Lib party, but this is Radithor, a known alternative prevention and cure for COVID.  Drinking 32 ounces a day makes the vaccine and masks obsolete.  Why is the government dumping it?  Think about it.
 
3 days ago  
We didn't irradiate Plymouth Rock.  Plymouth Rock irradiated us!
 
3 days ago  

dittybopper: But on the plus side, it's not uptight, and it's not your captive.


The Firm-Radioactive
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3 days ago  
Its pretty flaming already.
 
3 days ago  
Put it into Boston's drinking water.
It will be an improvement.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  
This is how you get Codzilla.
 
3 days ago  
Radioactive cod?
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3 days ago  
But they can't have wind turbines off the coast since it would ruin the view.
 
3 days ago  
Crystal ball says a "mysterious accidental spill" in the near future.

Except you really don't need a crystal ball
 
3 days ago  
Why all this article and writing just to say they still haven't even tested the water yet and aren't sure how contaminated it is?

/they mentioned one solution is evaporating it as they already did in some parts
//won't the remaining particles be an issue and might get windswept?
///where is our resident radioactive cosplayer anyway? Haven't seen her in a while.
 
3 days ago  

Circusdog320: Crystal ball says a "mysterious accidental spill" in the near future.

Except you really don't need a crystal ball


So you're saying this article's purpose is just to set up the defense?
 
3 days ago  
THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.
 
TWX
3 days ago  

Resident Muslim: //won't the remaining particles be an issue and might get windswept?


I can only assume that would largely depend on the process employed to evaporate the water, how much exposed, uncontrolled surface area is used, and if they discontinue and then clean-up that surface prior to all of the water being evaporated.  And that's assuming a reasonably controlled process of pouring the water out onto a hard surface at a measured rate and just letting nature do the work of evaporation.
Alternately if they use some kind of climate-controlled compartment where they have manipulated humidity and temperature to dry and heat the air as it passes through, then they might well be able to prevent uncontrolled airflow from being able to lift particulates.  Or they could install filters on the egress to trap any particulates that somehow are picked up in the process.  those filters themselves would become radioactive waste when this is over though.And all of this is presuming that actually boiling the water or heating the evaporation pan itself to induce the Leidenfrost effect is undesirable.  I'm not a scientist so I couldn't say what effects would result if water with potentially radioactive particles in solution or suspension was boiled, if the particles would remain in the pan or would be aerated.
 
3 days ago  

Resident Muslim: Why all this article and writing just to say they still haven't even tested the water yet and aren't sure how contaminated it is?

/they mentioned one solution is evaporating it as they already did in some parts
//won't the remaining particles be an issue and might get windswept?
///where is our resident radioactive cosplayer anyway? Haven't seen her in a while.


She was around in a recent thread.
 
3 days ago  

iheartscotch: THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.


Nuclear power is safe and clean, until it isn't.
 
3 days ago  

iheartscotch: THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.


The "No nukes" disinformation campaign was a Kremlin program to accelerate global climate change so they could open up the Northern Sea Route and exploit Arctic natural resources.
 
TWX
3 days ago  

iheartscotch: THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.


I was just going to go with how much land is denied to us when they suffer meltdowns.  Looking at the areas set aside as exclusion zones around Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi because they're now radioactive is proof enough of that to me.  For all intents and purposes these lands are lost to humanity.

The nuclear model turns environmental contamination on its head.  Once operating, fossil-fuel plants contaminate as they operate, and nuclear plants are fairly clean.  When there's a catastrophic incident resulting in the destruction of the plant, both kinds of plants may contaminate, but the fossil-fuel plant no longer continues adding to the contamination while the nuclear plant's contamination effects basically persist in perpetuity and to an extent that renders the land unusable.

I would like to see geothermal put into wider use.  The deep orange and red on this map indicates potential favorable conditions within the continental United States:
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Obviously the east coast isn't likely to strongly benefit from the technology, but states from the Rocky Mountains westward can, and even parts of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi might be suitable for geothermal power production.Geothermal also offers good base-load power generation, since the temperature deep in the crust is not subject to swings through the course of the day.
 
3 days ago  
Meh, what's the worst that could happen?

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MFK
3 days ago  
As a masshole, I shudder to to think what Trump's EPA would have done if they had been asked to irradiate Massachusetts. I am pretty certain the entire decision process would have consisted of "did they vote for me? No? Then fark 'em."
 
3 days ago  
The actual uranium rods will be left on site in casks on a concrete pad?
This country is so broke d1ck it's shameful.
 
3 days ago  
Where's your Cod now?!
 
3 days ago  
That's good chowdah!
 
TWX
3 days ago  

MIRV888: The actual uranium rods will be left on site in casks on a concrete pad?
This country is so broke d1ck it's shameful.


That's because no one wants to store it, and the one place that had no local residents able to muster enough objection to stop a massive construction project ended up being geologically unsuited to storing it.
 
3 days ago  

MIRV888: The actual uranium rods will be left on site in casks on a concrete pad?
This country is so broke d1ck it's shameful.


This is how almost all of the fuel rods in this country are stored...All because of a couple of people
that refuse to allow a permanent repository, and also refuse to allow fuel recycling..Having BOTH
of those would solve a problem that has been ongoing since the 1960's..

Flowery Twats: Missing from the article: half life of the compounds being released.  Is this just water that will lose its radioactivity within a week or are there pieces of plutonium dust that will remain radioactive for centuries?

I see no problem if it's water that will lose its radioactivity quickly. I'd be alittle more concerned about pumping longer lived radioactive mud into the bay.


Probably not plutonium..The fuel pellets are inside a tube that is usually made of nickle..But nickle
does flake off.

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3 days ago  
Interesting...I had cod with capers for dinner
 
3 days ago  

Unobtanium: Two other possible options discussed at Monday's meeting are trucking the water off-site to an approved facility, as Vermont Yankee Nuclear Power Plant did in shipping its contaminated water to a site in Idaho or to evaporate it, a process that has already been employed in some areas of the Plymouth plant.

In 1988, there was a Cs137 capsule leak into a shielding/cooling pool at a commercial irradiator outside Atlanta. After they identified and removed the leaking capsule, and other possible leakers, they started running a demineralization process on the water, as they removed the other capsules - the capsules were all sent back to the Department of Energy at the Hanford site.
What to do with the water? After running the processes on it, it was essentially distilled water. The original idea was to run it into the drains - it would have been the cleanest "sewage" ever, but the county wouldn't issue a permit.
They also were keeping the water warm. It eventually evaporated. IIRC, it was 50,000 gallons or so.

Pilgrim is 1 million. Trucking 1 million gallons would take +/- 300 truck trips (150 loaded trips, plus the return trips). I have no idea how long it would take to make that much water evaporate.

Source: I knew the state guys doing the monitoring of the cleanup at the Georgia site.


I dunno put it seems like the user name checks out.
Fight me!
 
3 days ago  

Mr. Shabooboo: This is how almost all of the fuel rods in this country are stored...All because of a couple of people
that refuse to allow a permanent repository, and also refuse to allow fuel recycling..Having BOTH
of those would solve a problem that has been ongoing since the 1960's..


Precisely.  We even built the f*cking storage facility and can't use it.  Recycling is a no brainer so that's why we don't do it.

This country has it's thumb up its ass while the world moves forward, but we will be stunned when people no longer regard us as the most powerful country on earth.
 
3 days ago  

big pig peaches: Meh, what's the worst that could happen?

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You're right.  No one wants another movie as bad as Ebirah, Horror of the Deep.

One was enough.
 
3 days ago  
How radioactive is the water?  100 microsieverts?  6 sieverts?  I don't know if I should be concerned at all from the information in thr article.  My guess is it's just water with tritium in it.
 
3 days ago  
If only we had some place in Nevada to store radioactive materials
 
3 days ago  

Gentlequiet: dittybopper: But on the plus side, it's not uptight, and it's not your captive.

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Hey I remember when that was on MTV every 10 minutes.
 
3 days ago  
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3 days ago  

Resident Muslim: Why all this article and writing just to say they still haven't even tested the water yet and aren't sure how contaminated it is?

/they mentioned one solution is evaporating it as they already did in some parts
//won't the remaining particles be an issue and might get windswept?
///where is our resident radioactive cosplayer anyway? Haven't seen her in a while.


This is click bait bad journalism.   All the water sources mentioned have been tested, and the plant knows exactly what is in the water.  The best solution is to run the water through ion exchangers until the contaminants, both radioactive and non-radioactive parts have been removed, the water than meets the state and federal water permits, and release the water.   All nuclear plants do this on a daily basis.
 
3 days ago  
Why can't they dump it near Maralago?
 
3 days ago  
It appears that some parts of the Cape have been subjected to radiation for some time.
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3 days ago  

Laobaojun: Put it into Boston's drinking water.
It will be an improvement.


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3 days ago  

TWX: iheartscotch: THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.

I was just going to go with how much land is denied to us when they suffer meltdowns.  Looking at the areas set aside as exclusion zones around Chernobyl and Fukushima Daiichi because they're now radioactive is proof enough of that to me.  For all intents and purposes these lands are lost to humanity.

The nuclear model turns environmental contamination on its head.  Once operating, fossil-fuel plants contaminate as they operate, and nuclear plants are fairly clean.  When there's a catastrophic incident resulting in the destruction of the plant, both kinds of plants may contaminate, but the fossil-fuel plant no longer continues adding to the contamination while the nuclear plant's contamination effects basically persist in perpetuity and to an extent that renders the land unusable.

I would like to see geothermal put into wider use.  The deep orange and red on this map indicates potential favorable conditions within the continental United States:
[Fark user image image 588x454]

Obviously the east coast isn't likely to strongly benefit from the technology, but states from the Rocky Mountains westward can, and even parts of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi might be suitable for geothermal power production.Geothermal also offers good base-load power generation, since the temperature deep in the crust is not subject to swings through the course of the day.


Geothermal power is fine until you look at the cost.
 
TWX
2 days ago  

zeaper12: Geothermal power is fine until you look at the cost.


And what's the cost of the exclusion zones and the full cost of decommissioning a nuclear power plant once it's no longer producinig energy?
 
2 days ago  

MIRV888: The actual uranium rods will be left on site in casks on a concrete pad?
This country is so broke d1ck it's shameful.


No Harry Reid traded a sensible disposal plan for votes.  And here we are.
 
2 days ago  
Except for that, the water is probably cleaner than anything Flint has seen for decades.
 
2 days ago  

iheartscotch: THIS, right here, is why we can not have more nuclear power plants.


Nukes and strong, sensible regulation might make a good combo.  We should try it.
 
2 days ago  
Something else is left out in the news report: Water itself is a source of radiation shielding. Granted, nobody wants Codzilla to be created. However, releasing contaminated water into a much larger body of water would result in more shielding of the contaminants.
 
2 days ago  

Resident Muslim: Radioactive cod?
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There's no cod left. They were overfished. It's dogfish now. Which you can eat, if you're hungry enough (and they're not swimming in radioactive waste) but they taste like shiat.
 
2 days ago  

Laobaojun: Put it into Boston's drinking water.
It will be an improvement.


Boston's water is actually pretty good.
 
2 days ago  
1.) Promote it on evangelical TV as miracle water and a covid cure.
2.) Profit
 
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