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(The Daily Beast)   It's time to take a look at all the lawyers who tried to prevent Ahmaud Arbery's murder from ever coming to justice   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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2021-11-24 11:56:43 PM  
Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.
 
2021-11-25 1:00:05 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.


Typically, the District Attorney of an area where a crime takes place isn't considered a defense lawyer, and the defense of the accused is outside their job description. This article is about a couple of DAs that apparently disagree with that sentiment.
 
2021-11-25 1:02:29 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons...


And, as usual from you, a deflective threadjack. The article's first two examples are the lawyers in the prosecutors office who worked hard to make sure the case would go away... and would have completely succeeded had one of the dumbass murderers not publicly posted video of them doing it. Prosecutors are supposed to be the opposite of defense lawyers.

But if you can get people talking about the explicitly racist defense lawyers, they'll be distracted from talking about the actual demonstrated problem of prosecutors willing to let things slide in a case where white assholes straight-up murdered a young black man. And only direct video evidence seems to be enough to overcome that.
 
2021-11-25 1:11:58 AM  

sorceror: feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons...

And, as usual from you, a deflective threadjack. The article's first two examples are the lawyers in the prosecutors office who worked hard to make sure the case would go away... and would have completely succeeded had one of the dumbass murderers not publicly posted video of them doing it. Prosecutors are supposed to be the opposite of defense lawyers.

But if you can get people talking about the explicitly racist defense lawyers, they'll be distracted from talking about the actual demonstrated problem of prosecutors willing to let things slide in a case where white assholes straight-up murdered a young black man. And only direct video evidence seems to be enough to overcome that.


Barely.  And only because the Internet exploded with it before they could completely dismiss it.
 
2021-11-25 4:46:13 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.


So, are you openly admitting the two District Attorneys who tried to sweep the whole crime under the rug were acting as defense lawyers for the Brunswick 3? They damn sure mounted a robust defense to try to keep their friends out of prison. Thank God they failed.

Next, you'll be trying to tell me how the whole justice system isn't stacked against Black Americans all the while you're touting that slate of defense lawyers these three jackasses had.
 
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2021-11-25 6:43:25 AM  

Brosephus: feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.

So, are you openly admitting the two District Attorneys who tried to sweep the whole crime under the rug were acting as defense lawyers for the Brunswick 3? They damn sure mounted a robust defense to try to keep their friends out of prison. Thank God they failed.

Next, you'll be trying to tell me how the whole justice system isn't stacked against Black Americans all the while you're touting that slate of defense lawyers these three jackasses had.


Dude, he's a lawyer, a nurse, a librarian, .... Blah blah blah don't listen to anything fecking says. Ever. About anything.
 
2021-11-25 6:50:11 AM  
wHy? DeFenSe LaWyErs dEfeNd PeRsOnS aCcuSeD oF cRiMeS. FrEqUeNtLy tHe pEoPlE ArE iNdEeD gUiLtY Of ThOsE cRiMeS, but ThEy StIlL dEsErVe tO mount A robust defense.
I sAiD iNdEed bCuZ i'M sMrT
 
2021-11-25 6:53:10 AM  
Old news, subby.
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/have in your hand a list?
 
2021-11-25 6:57:35 AM  
The funny thing is the two big cases this month featured DAs who didn't want to prosecute the case. Both were forced by popular demand. Both came out to obvious conclusions.
 
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2021-11-25 6:57:51 AM  

King of Monkeys: wHy? DeFenSe LaWyErs dEfeNd PeRsOnS aCcuSeD oF cRiMeS. FrEqUeNtLy tHe pEoPlE ArE iNdEeD gUiLtY Of ThOsE cRiMeS, but ThEy StIlL dEsErVe tO mount A robust defense.
I sAiD iNdEed bCuZ i'M sMrT


You are very intelligent
 
2021-11-25 7:12:02 AM  
>Arbery was on a jog through Satilla Shores, a mostly white neighborhood...

Boy, I bet if your not white in THAT neighborhood you feel safe taking out the garbage.
 
2021-11-25 7:18:24 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.


Even Simple Jack is embarrassed for you
 
2021-11-25 7:20:28 AM  
And not only the lawyers. What about the first police officers on scene who "consoled" the murderers rather than render aid to Arbery who was still alive when they arrived?
 
2021-11-25 7:22:58 AM  
Load the outrage cannons!
 
2021-11-25 7:27:50 AM  
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2021-11-25 7:35:52 AM  
Let's reason through the toenails strategy ... we are to believe that the killers saw the victim's toenails and cargo shorts, reasoned that he could not be a jogger and therefore must be running from a property crime, got in their trucks, chased him down and shot him while trying to detain him.   The real police arrive and console the attackers while the still-living victim bleeds out.

That's the defense strategy?  Why aren't the responding officers on trial as well?
 
2021-11-25 7:37:33 AM  
In his last motion for a mistrial, Gough even went as far to say that the "woke mob" was influencing the case, and that "just because they haven't put a podium up outside with a hangman's noose, it doesn't mean that this isn't a trial."
"This is what a public lynching looks like in the 21st century, with all due respect," Gough said during his courtroom tirade in what might have been his most brazen remark in a case involving white men chasing down and killing a Black man they merely suspected of a crime.


I don't often wish ass cancer on people I don't know, but I'm comfortable with wishing it on this guy. This is what a piece of human-excrement-come-to-life looks like.
 
2021-11-25 7:48:20 AM  

Nick Nostril: In his last motion for a mistrial, Gough even went as far to say that the "woke mob" was influencing the case, and that "just because they haven't put a podium up outside with a hangman's noose, it doesn't mean that this isn't a trial."
"This is what a public lynching looks like in the 21st century, with all due respect," Gough said during his courtroom tirade in what might have been his most brazen remark in a case involving white men chasing down and killing a Black man they merely suspected of a crime.

I don't often wish ass cancer on people I don't know, but I'm comfortable with wishing it on this guy. This is what a piece of human-excrement-come-to-life looks like.


Ass-cancer in the head.
 
2021-11-25 7:51:09 AM  
Round them all up. Slowly and lovingly articulate every single crime for the public. Then deliberately and carefully pass judgment on each and everyone, now household name by household name. Strip them of every shred of lawyer identity, in public, streamed on multiple platforms. Interview wives and children, expose the generational ignorance and racism. Then install "cry-cams" in each cell as a learning module for other backwards, racist, cretinous slugs. The revenues from any of the above spectacles goes to a new Institute of Racist Motherfarkers Practicing Law. Watchdog the up and comers. Chase them to the sea.
 
2021-11-25 7:54:25 AM  

August11: Round them all up. Slowly and lovingly articulate every single crime for the public. Then deliberately and carefully pass judgment on each and everyone, now household name by household name. Strip them of every shred of lawyer identity, in public, streamed on multiple platforms. Interview wives and children, expose the generational ignorance and racism. Then install "cry-cams" in each cell as a learning module for other backwards, racist, cretinous slugs. The revenues from any of the above spectacles goes to a new Institute of Racist Motherfarkers Practicing Law. Watchdog the up and comers. Chase them to the sea.


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2021-11-25 7:54:30 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.


Robust. That word doesn't mean.....
 
2021-11-25 8:06:06 AM  
A fine example of the "Good Old Boys Network" at work with the DA's office. A former police officer gets into serious sh*t by killing a man in cold blood. Instead of serious investigating, they did all they could to sweep it under the rug. "There was NO crime at all. Perfect self defense. The dead guy was wrong. Why was he in that site, let alone jogging there?" Even after the video surfaced, they still tried to pretend that nothing was wrong.
 
2021-11-25 8:06:13 AM  

Stud Gerbil: Let's reason through the toenails strategy ... we are to believe that the killers saw the victim's toenails and cargo shorts, reasoned that he could not be a jogger and therefore must be running from a property crime, got in their trucks, chased him down and shot him while trying to detain him.   The real police arrive and console the attackers while the still-living victim bleeds out.

That's the defense strategy?  Why aren't the responding officers on trial as well?


Ah yes, the classic "blame the victim" strategy.  The person the vigilante killed had an arrest record, but the vigilante didn't know that at the time.they fired the gun.  We know that now, so it's OK.
 
2021-11-25 8:09:55 AM  

Nocrash: feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.

Robust. That word doesn't mean.....


He meant racist.
 
2021-11-25 8:13:19 AM  

enry: Stud Gerbil: Let's reason through the toenails strategy ... we are to believe that the killers saw the victim's toenails and cargo shorts, reasoned that he could not be a jogger and therefore must be running from a property crime, got in their trucks, chased him down and shot him while trying to detain him.   The real police arrive and console the attackers while the still-living victim bleeds out.

That's the defense strategy?  Why aren't the responding officers on trial as well?

Ah yes, the classic "blame the victim" strategy.  The person the vigilante killed had an arrest record, but the vigilante didn't know that at the time.they fired the gun.  We know that now, so it's OK.


If Arbery could have been shown to be grabbing the gun they murdered him with, they might have successfully used the self-defense excuse. Because America is insane.
 
2021-11-25 8:24:18 AM  

August11: Round them all up. Slowly and lovingly articulate every single crime for the public. Then deliberately and carefully pass judgment on each and everyone, now household name by household name. Strip them of every shred of lawyer identity, in public, streamed on multiple platforms. Interview wives and children, expose the generational ignorance and racism. Then install "cry-cams" in each cell as a learning module for other backwards, racist, cretinous slugs. The revenues from any of the above spectacles goes to a new Institute of Racist Motherfarkers Practicing Law. Watchdog the up and comers. Chase them to the sea.


When are you running for office?
 
2021-11-25 8:29:04 AM  
This is a good example of why the GQP hates CRT.
 
2021-11-25 8:29:36 AM  

Nick Nostril: it doesn't mean that this isn't a trial."


Where the fark did he think they were doing, farking bingo?!
 
2021-11-25 8:31:09 AM  
This thread never stood a chance.
 
2021-11-25 8:36:27 AM  
I'm just waiting for some TFG judge to throw out all charges with prejudice.
 
2021-11-25 8:41:33 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: I'm just waiting for some TFG judge to throw out all charges with prejudice.


https://www.gjp.org/faqs/get-a-pardon-​in-georgia/
 
2021-11-25 9:00:45 AM  
I hope there may be an investigation into Judge Cookie Book after the Sh*ttenhouse fiasco.
 
2021-11-25 9:02:37 AM  
See? There's no *sarcastic fingerquotes* systemic racism.

Just a few bad apples, scattered ubiquitously throughout our fair and balanced justice system.
 
2021-11-25 9:03:41 AM  

wickedragon: Nick Nostril: In his last motion for a mistrial, Gough even went as far to say that the "woke mob" was influencing the case, and that "just because they haven't put a podium up outside with a hangman's noose, it doesn't mean that this isn't a trial."
"This is what a public lynching looks like in the 21st century, with all due respect," Gough said during his courtroom tirade in what might have been his most brazen remark in a case involving white men chasing down and killing a Black man they merely suspected of a crime.

I don't often wish ass cancer on people I don't know, but I'm comfortable with wishing it on this guy. This is what a piece of human-excrement-come-to-life looks like.

Ass-cancer in the head.


I mostly wish for terminal ass warts on them.
 
2021-11-25 9:05:30 AM  

feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.


Did the woke mob prevent you RTFA, or was it inflation? Concern for those left in Afghanistan? Those awful high fuel prices?
 
2021-11-25 9:15:51 AM  

enry: Ah yes, the classic "blame the victim" strategy.  The person the vigilante killed had an arrest record, but the vigilante didn't know that at the time.they fired the gun.  We know that now, so it's OK.


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2021-11-25 9:22:05 AM  
But I've been assured that the guilty verdicts meant that the system is working...

/criminal legal system
//there is no justice
///third slashies because
 
2021-11-25 9:32:18 AM  
There are 159 counties in GA.  For the vast majority of them, this behavior, from start to finish, is standard operating procedure.  The DA's office needs the good will of the cops to successfully prosecute crimes, because the voters eventually turn out DAs that don't regularly secure convictions.  A cop that can't hack it as a cop anymore can usually get hired as a private investigator for the county, so retirees and ones with too much baggage move away from the uniform but not the mentality.

My guess is there are probably dozens, maybe even hundreds, of cases that should fall the way this one did, but because there is no video footage, and the families have to live in the same community as the killers, it all gets swept under the rug for yet another generation.
 
2021-11-25 9:36:14 AM  
These turds will be lovingly White Knighted by the same people who are saying "but they found Kyle not guilty"
 
2021-11-25 9:59:10 AM  

151: Brosephus: feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.

So, are you openly admitting the two District Attorneys who tried to sweep the whole crime under the rug were acting as defense lawyers for the Brunswick 3? They damn sure mounted a robust defense to try to keep their friends out of prison. Thank God they failed.

Next, you'll be trying to tell me how the whole justice system isn't stacked against Black Americans all the while you're touting that slate of defense lawyers these three jackasses had.

Dude, he's a lawyer, a nurse, a librarian, .... Blah blah blah don't listen to anything fecking says. Ever. About anything.


This needs to be reiterated.

I think he's also a ham radio enthusiast
 
2021-11-25 10:03:00 AM  
A relative works to support domestic violence victims.  Often, the attorneys who work pro bono to represent victims and do amazing work for such victims, will turn around and work for defendants the following week, crushing domestic violence victims.  This upsets some people in her office, but... if they kick these morally vacant attorneys out of the program, then they'd be defending the criminals 100% of the time, and that would be counterproductive to their mission.

At times these attorneys say shiatty MAGA things... but on the other hand, more than half of the domestic violence victims also say shiatty MAGA things.  Domestic violence victims are spread out among the political range, as well as income, race, education and whatever else.  There are no neat little distinctions between what political groups are and aren't abusing their partners.

Sometimes you just have to work with shiatty attorneys.  The greater problem is that we have an adversarial based justice system, that encourages hateful attorney behavior.

I've no earthly clue how to fix it all.
 
2021-11-25 10:06:08 AM  
Once the guilty verdict was read, I immediately thought of the DA(s) that suppressed the case for months until the video was LEAKED to the media. Garland's DOJ seems keen on prosecuting systemic civil rights violations.

It also goes to show that after the invention of camera phones people still believe in ghosts when no one has caught one on video yet they believe the "system" is fair even when there is video of a murder and they fail to prosecute and indeed protect a fellow member of the "good old boy" thin blue line network. It took years and thousands of outraged people for justice in this case, and yet law enforcement can kill you in seconds with immunity and impunity. Don't get caught with any loose cigarettes! You didn't pay taxes on that! Tell the officer to wait and let you record your death on video, maybe your family will get some GoFundMe money
 
2021-11-25 10:11:48 AM  
Well, if they wanted to oppress Black people, they didn't need 5 lawyers, all they needed was one judge.
 
2021-11-25 10:18:50 AM  

Ker_Thwap: A relative works to support domestic violence victims.  Often, the attorneys who work pro bono to represent victims and do amazing work for such victims, will turn around and work for defendants the following week, crushing domestic violence victims.  This upsets some people in her office, but... if they kick these morally vacant attorneys out of the program, then they'd be defending the criminals 100% of the time, and that would be counterproductive to their mission.

At times these attorneys say shiatty MAGA things... but on the other hand, more than half of the domestic violence victims also say shiatty MAGA things.  Domestic violence victims are spread out among the political range, as well as income, race, education and whatever else.  There are no neat little distinctions between what political groups are and aren't abusing their partners.

Sometimes you just have to work with shiatty attorneys.  The greater problem is that we have an adversarial based justice system, that encourages hateful attorney behavior.

I've no earthly clue how to fix it all.


They are people, first and foremost, with a profession that attracts competitive people who want to win by aligning other's view to their own, which takes a little bit of ego to argue successful.

Only lawyers have commercials promising you lots of money for injures. It's the profession the people attracts. If you're paid to be correct, paid to win!, and you are successful at it, no one can tell you anything except when they pay you to listen. It's about the money, and low taxes. Whoever is talking low taxes and mo money, that's the team they roll on.
 
2021-11-25 10:26:39 AM  

Stantz: enry: Ah yes, the classic "blame the victim" strategy.  The person the vigilante killed had an arrest record, but the vigilante didn't know that at the time.they fired the gun.  We know that now, so it's OK.

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Now that he's free, they can care of that with Imodium.
 
2021-11-25 10:26:44 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've no earthly clue how to fix it all.


Yes you do. Make it more dangerous to enforce apartheid than it is to be black. Systemic racism won't go away so long as it is incentivized and rewarded. It's not pretty, but neither is America's future.
 
2021-11-25 10:31:29 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I hope there may be an investigation into Judge Cookie Book after the Sh*ttenhouse fiasco.


Nah, that one is gonna quietly be forgotten, agreed upon by everyone involved.
 
2021-11-25 10:32:16 AM  

151: Brosephus: feckingmorons: Why? Defense lawyers defend persons accused of crimes. Frequently the people are indeed guilty of those crimes, but they still deserve to mount a robust defense.

So, are you openly admitting the two District Attorneys who tried to sweep the whole crime under the rug were acting as defense lawyers for the Brunswick 3? They damn sure mounted a robust defense to try to keep their friends out of prison. Thank God they failed.

Next, you'll be trying to tell me how the whole justice system isn't stacked against Black Americans all the while you're touting that slate of defense lawyers these three jackasses had.

Dude, he's a lawyer, a nurse, a librarian, .... Blah blah blah don't listen to anything fecking says. Ever. About anything.


Based on the username I've always assumed it was a collective of morons.
 
2021-11-25 10:41:17 AM  
Good thing Fark doesn't allow trolling or troll accounts.

Good
thing.
 
2021-11-25 10:45:54 AM  

macadamnut: Ker_Thwap: I've no earthly clue how to fix it all.

Yes you do. Make it more dangerous to enforce apartheid than it is to be black. Systemic racism won't go away so long as it is incentivized and rewarded. It's not pretty, but neither is America's future.


I was referring more to the justice system, but let's face it, your plan is no more a plan than mine is.  I have a ton of clever ideals as well.  Goals are easy, getting there is hard.
 
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