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2021-11-25 4:19:33 AM  
Maybe this comment is going to age REALLY badly but nothing about this awful incident seems to have much in common at all with any of the mass shooting incidents we've seen in recent years. It looks at this stage to have nothing in common with Charlottesville where a nazi intentionally used his car as a weapon against people he hated. At this stage it looks like an awful fark-up, quite possibly drug/alcohol related, where a dude panicked, freaked out, drove like a maniac, was too slow to realise what was happening around him and was in entirely the wrong place at the wrong time.

I recognise it's early days in the investigation and we may yet discover this was somehow planned or deliberate and motivated. But at this point my money is on the tragic combination of a sketchy, messed up person failing to cope with some as yet unknown incident and jumping behind the wheel of a two-ton poor-handling vehicle and overpowering it without an understanding of his surroundings until it was too late. It's the opposite of motivated as I understand it at this time.

So in other words TFA sucks. Or maybe this comment really sucks and TFA is spot-on. We'll find out in the coming weeks.
 
2021-11-25 4:36:51 AM  
Didn't Florida legalize this shiat?
 
2021-11-25 4:40:26 AM  
Wisconsin wasn't one of the states that legalized running people over, was it?
 
2021-11-25 4:50:09 AM  
In the Article...... America is accustomed to mass casualty events involving guns, an epidemic I explore in my forthcoming book, Trigger Points.

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2021-11-25 4:50:53 AM  
Is it because we have a poor mental healthcare system?
 
2021-11-25 4:51:06 AM  

Aussie_As: Maybe this comment is going to age REALLY badly but nothing about this awful incident seems to have much in common at all with any of the mass shooting incidents we've seen in recent years. It looks at this stage to have nothing in common with Charlottesville where a nazi intentionally used his car as a weapon against people he hated. At this stage it looks like an awful fark-up, quite possibly drug/alcohol related, where a dude panicked, freaked out, drove like a maniac, was too slow to realise what was happening around him and was in entirely the wrong place at the wrong time.

I recognise it's early days in the investigation and we may yet discover this was somehow planned or deliberate and motivated. But at this point my money is on the tragic combination of a sketchy, messed up person failing to cope with some as yet unknown incident and jumping behind the wheel of a two-ton poor-handling vehicle and overpowering it without an understanding of his surroundings until it was too late. It's the opposite of motivated as I understand it at this time.

So in other words TFA sucks. Or maybe this comment really sucks and TFA is spot-on. We'll find out in the coming weeks.


It certainly seems premature to refer to it as a "terror attack".  As far as I know, no motive or even intent has been established yet, much less anything suggesting the driver was intentionally engaging in violence for some political purpose.

Having committed the heresy of reading the article, though, it's clearly stated there's no evidence yet that it was a terrorist attack.  That conclusion seems to have been jumped to by subby entirely independently of the article.
 
2021-11-25 4:52:08 AM  
Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.
 
2021-11-25 4:56:04 AM  
Just wait until someone tries this with a garbage truck.
 
2021-11-25 4:58:56 AM  
At least it wasn't Wauke$ha. That would be a tragedy.
 
2021-11-25 5:02:06 AM  
We had one of those here in Melbourne a few years ago. Not a terror attack, just a guy off his nut on meth.

It's why Melbourne now has concrete and steel bollards protecting pedestrian areas in the CBD,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January​_​2017_Melbourne_car_attack
 
2021-11-25 5:02:10 AM  

flondrix: Wisconsin wasn't one of the states that legalized running people over, was it?


Yes, but only in self defense.
 
2021-11-25 5:03:58 AM  

uknesvuinng: Having committed the heresy of reading the article, though, it's clearly stated there's no evidence yet that it was a terrorist attack.


Not sure I agree entirely. TFA goes to lengths to discuss that the driver's "lengthy record of domestic violence, as reported by multiple news outlets citing court records, may also be noteworthy. Misogyny and domestic abuse have been significant factors in public mass shootings in recent years". It goes on "Authorities said on Monday that they believed Brooks' attack on the parade was intentional."

I'm not surprised the cops are throwing this in. Accusing the perp of deliberately doing this makes it much, much easier to get him to plead guilty to doing it recklessly but unintentionally and accept a sentence in the higher range of what's available, so it gives them the PR win. Which after this many deaths and injuries they won't want to fark up. That's normal policing. But yeah, I for one will be suprised if the actual facts of the case bear this out.
 
2021-11-25 5:13:50 AM  
I for one welcome our new Death Race overlords.

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2021-11-25 5:17:29 AM  
If the media has anything to say about this, it will be.
 
2021-11-25 5:29:10 AM  

Wobambo: Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.


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2021-11-25 5:29:43 AM  
a) Cool wild speculation as usual there Mother Jones (if that is indeed your real name).

b) The beginning? Christ... I literally lived in the neighborhood (many years previous) where the Minassian incel van attack occurred.

c) F*ck all these violent dickheads.

d) Seriously... f*ck them right in their stupid violent scrotums.

Waaaah! I've got mommy issues!!!

Ya, f*ck off losers.

and so forth...
 
2021-11-25 5:35:59 AM  

Gyrfalcon: If the media has anything to say about this, it will be.


What we'll soon see news vans barreling through crowds of people?
 
2021-11-25 5:38:24 AM  

Wobambo: Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.

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2021-11-25 5:50:48 AM  
It still seems to me that he was fleeing the other incident, happened upon the closed parade route, and, being an apparent psycho rage monster, decided that wasn't going to stop him and just drove right through without a care for the carnage.  I haven't yet heard anything that suggests this was premeditated.
 
2021-11-25 5:54:54 AM  
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2021-11-25 6:00:34 AM  
Does this mean we can legally decorate our cars using the Mad Max series as a template? Asking for my Matrix, who would love the upgrade.
 
2021-11-25 6:02:38 AM  

WDFark think for a second: Just wait until someone tries this with a garbage truck.


...you mean like they did in Nice?
 
2021-11-25 6:07:24 AM  

NEDM: WDFark think for a second: Just wait until someone tries this with a garbage truck.

...you mean like they did in Nice?


or in Berlin at the Xmas market a few years back
 
2021-11-25 6:12:30 AM  

Aussie_As: Maybe this comment is going to age REALLY badly but nothing about this awful incident seems to have much in common at all with any of the mass shooting incidents we've seen in recent years. It looks at this stage to have nothing in common with Charlottesville where a nazi intentionally used his car as a weapon against people he hated. At this stage it looks like an awful fark-up, quite possibly drug/alcohol related, where a dude panicked, freaked out, drove like a maniac, was too slow to realise what was happening around him and was in entirely the wrong place at the wrong time.

I recognise it's early days in the investigation and we may yet discover this was somehow planned or deliberate and motivated. But at this point my money is on the tragic combination of a sketchy, messed up person failing to cope with some as yet unknown incident and jumping behind the wheel of a two-ton poor-handling vehicle and overpowering it without an understanding of his surroundings until it was too late. It's the opposite of motivated as I understand it at this time.

So in other words TFA sucks. Or maybe this comment really sucks and TFA is spot-on. We'll find out in the coming weeks.


the guardian reports the followign:

Darrell Brooks was trying to strike "as many people as possible" when he raced his car through a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin, on Sunday, authorities said in a criminal complaint.
The complaint filed on Tuesday describes Mr Brooks as having "no emotion" when he drove down the parade route, killing six people and wounding at least 47 others. Moments earlier, he was said to have fled from police responding to a call about a domestic dispute between him and another person.
Prosecutors plan to charge the 39-year-old with six counts of first-degree intentional homicide. He is being held on $5m bail.
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yeah sorta seemed like if he just pulled an old man at a farmers market stunt, he'd be a bit ... remorseful? sorry? try to speak to the media and make a statement where he was all crying and stuff? Sounds like a farkin asshole to me who should be put against a wall.
 
2021-11-25 6:13:34 AM  

rhodabear: Does this mean we can legally decorate our cars using the Mad Max series as a template? Asking for my Matrix, who would love the upgrade.


Yes.  Your Matrix deserves a Mad Max Makeover.  Shiny and chrome.
 
2021-11-25 6:26:08 AM  

NEDM: WDFark think for a second: Just wait until someone tries this with a garbage truck.

...you mean like they did in Nice?


No I mean a garbage truck. That was a cargo truck. I somehow think a dump/garbage truck would be harder to stop.
 
2021-11-25 6:30:23 AM  
Simple rule that would help, you can't buy a motor vehicle over a certain combined weight and power ratio without a special endorsement on your license.  Endorsement would not be prohibitively expensive, but you would have to show certain qualities such as having a license for so many years, with a good driving record to get one.  If you are convicted of reckless driving, DUI, or certain violent convictions on your record, including domestic assault.

This leads to less road rage, safer driving, fewer SUVs and oversized trucks on our roads and in our parking lots, cleaner air, and fewer accidents.  It also reduces the number of casualties in future vehicle launched attacks.  You can still get a van to drive your family around without such an endorsement, but it is not going to be very fast, or have great acceleration, which may also help discourage ridiculously large families, which is another bonus.
 
2021-11-25 6:40:06 AM  
Oh sure, but when someone does it in a movie, it's a laff riot!  It was pretty much John Landis' go-to until the helicopter thing.
 
2021-11-25 6:44:27 AM  

Aussie_As: Maybe this comment is going to age REALLY badly but nothing about this awful incident seems to have much in common at all with any of the mass shooting incidents we've seen in recent years. It looks at this stage to have nothing in common with Charlottesville where a nazi intentionally used his car as a weapon against people he hated. At this stage it looks like an awful fark-up, quite possibly drug/alcohol related, where a dude panicked, freaked out, drove like a maniac, was too slow to realise what was happening around him and was in entirely the wrong place at the wrong time.

I recognise it's early days in the investigation and we may yet discover this was somehow planned or deliberate and motivated. But at this point my money is on the tragic combination of a sketchy, messed up person failing to cope with some as yet unknown incident and jumping behind the wheel of a two-ton poor-handling vehicle and overpowering it without an understanding of his surroundings until it was too late. It's the opposite of motivated as I understand it at this time.

So in other words TFA sucks. Or maybe this comment really sucks and TFA is spot-on. We'll find out in the coming weeks.


This incident may have been just a chain of dumbassery following rage, but there are plenty of needled*cks who want to get famous for being 'hardcore' enough to emulate the guy who drove through protestors on...well, a lot of protests. Like dozens, from LA to Portland, Maine. It is becoming a thing all its own. And not just from the Floyd protests. While some folks don't have it in them to plan out a shooting, there are plenty who can be driving, see something, and just say, 'f*ck 'em' and stamp on the pedal. Even justifying that if they'd get out of the way, and weren't protesting, they wouldn't have gotten hurt. Couple it, with legislation to protect and legalize running over folks like in Oklahoma or in Florida, and you've got an easy way for guys to intimidate and fluff up their inadequacies in big ass trucks to feel MOAR dangerous.
 
2021-11-25 6:45:10 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Wobambo: Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.

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Fear and hate are the only weapons the enemy has. He stokes our hate with fear, and we burn up seeking to destroy those who we fear with more hate.

And pineapple on pizza. May god have mercy on your dark soul. You are beyond reprehensible. And on thanksgiving.
 
2021-11-25 6:46:37 AM  
I can't help thinking that the recent acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in Judge Turnhamloose's court formed the backdrop to the tragedy in Waukesha.  Because what that taught every nut case in Wisconsin was that in that state it's perfectly all right, once you're out on the street with a deadly weapon, to use it on people you don't like.

Memo to Judge Schroeder and to the jury in his court that neglected to do their duties:  If something goes around, it tends to come around.  Maybe you should stick to doing your jobs the next time.
 
2021-11-25 6:54:48 AM  

kling_klang_bed: Wobambo: Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.


I don't know what in hell made you think posting pineapple on pizza was ok, but it is not. Rot in hell you monster.
 
2021-11-25 6:55:48 AM  

Aussie_As: Maybe this comment is going to age REALLY badly but nothing about this awful incident seems to have much in common at all with any of the mass shooting incidents we've seen in recent years. It looks at this stage to have nothing in common with Charlottesville where a nazi intentionally used his car as a weapon against people he hated. At this stage it looks like an awful fark-up, quite possibly drug/alcohol related, where a dude panicked, freaked out, drove like a maniac, was too slow to realise what was happening around him and was in entirely the wrong place at the wrong time.

I recognise it's early days in the investigation and we may yet discover this was somehow planned or deliberate and motivated. But at this point my money is on the tragic combination of a sketchy, messed up person failing to cope with some as yet unknown incident and jumping behind the wheel of a two-ton poor-handling vehicle and overpowering it without an understanding of his surroundings until it was too late. It's the opposite of motivated as I understand it at this time.

So in other words TFA sucks. Or maybe this comment really sucks and TFA is spot-on. We'll find out in the coming weeks.


Maybe I'm just weird, but I assume everyone is responsible for their own actions until proven otherwise. What evidence is there that he didn't want to do exactly what he did?
 
2021-11-25 7:05:19 AM  

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And now I know where that meme came from...
 
2021-11-25 7:09:33 AM  
The outlets doing a deeper dive on this guys social media definitely points to this being intentional, plus the witness interviews that the guy was deliberately aiming at people as he drove through the crowd vs avoiding people like you'd hope your see if the guy was fleeing another incident.

Not necessarily premeditated as in he'd been planning to drive through the parade for a week prior to doing it, but definitely intentional once he started.
 
2021-11-25 7:10:56 AM  

invictus2: Wobambo: Whatever, we're going to be at war with each other soon enough. It can be argued we already are. Pick out which neighbors' melon has the ripest goo inside now.

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2021-11-25 7:13:59 AM  

tirob: I can't help thinking that the recent acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in Judge Turnhamloose's court formed the backdrop to the tragedy in Waukesha.  Because what that taught every nut case in Wisconsin was that in that state it's perfectly all right, once you're out on the street with a deadly weapon, to use it on people you don't like.

Memo to Judge Schroeder and to the jury in his court that neglected to do their duties:  If something goes around, it tends to come around.  Maybe you should stick to doing your jobs the next time.


Congrats on the stupidest take I've heard so far. Your butthurt has not gone unnoticed.

The people who died in Kenosha were actively trying to attack and kill Rittenhouse before getting shot.

None of the 60+ victims in the Waukesha did anything to this guy before he decided to plow through them, despite you inferring that they had it coming because you didn't like the Rittenhouse verdict.
 
2021-11-25 7:14:00 AM  

Shaggy_C: This guy is 100% Trumper, clearly. No other possible explanation.


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2021-11-25 7:27:53 AM  

Sumo Surfer: tirob: I can't help thinking that the recent acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in Judge Turnhamloose's court formed the backdrop to the tragedy in Waukesha.  Because what that taught every nut case in Wisconsin was that in that state it's perfectly all right, once you're out on the street with a deadly weapon, to use it on people you don't like.

Memo to Judge Schroeder and to the jury in his court that neglected to do their duties:  If something goes around, it tends to come around.  Maybe you should stick to doing your jobs the next time.

Congrats on the stupidest take I've heard so far. Your butthurt has not gone unnoticed.

The people who died in Kenosha were actively trying to attack and kill Rittenhouse before getting shot.

None of the 60+ victims in the Waukesha did anything to this guy before he decided to plow through them, despite you inferring that they had it coming because you didn't like the Rittenhouse verdict.


1.  The victims in Waukesha didn't have it coming.  Neither said it nor implied it, as my use of the word "tragedy" makes crystal clear.

2.  Rittenhouse crossed state lines to enter an area where rioters had cause property damage, and this with a firearm that he wasn't legally allowed to have, much less brandish.  All of which means that he raised the stakes all by himself long before the incident which led to his shooting and killing two people.

In the law, it's usually a requirment for people who claim self-defense in a homicide to bring clean hands to the tribunal.  I don't see where Rittenhouse did that.
 
2021-11-25 7:29:47 AM  
This is just sMother Jones advocacy for the elimination of high capacity automobiles.
 
2021-11-25 7:39:50 AM  
The driver went to someone's house, not wearing a jacket in 30° weather, said he was waiting for an Uber and needed to come inside. He said he was homeless. The home owner invited him inside, leant him his jacket and made him a sandwich, When the guy continued manically fretting, the home owner kicked him out where he was soon arrested without incident.  Or as I like to call it, a Wisconsin Jihadist.

/he on shiat.
 
2021-11-25 7:44:32 AM  
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2021-11-25 7:45:07 AM  
It's the tactical version of 9/11.
 
2021-11-25 7:51:09 AM  
It's funny to see some media outlets like CNN or the AP still reporting this attack as a "crash". This mass killer is on video purposefully ramming into people, which is why he's been charged with homicide.

The killer's since-deleted social media accounts showed his support for BLM and black nationalism and he made posts promoting violence towards white people:

"So when we start bakk knokkin white people TF out ion wanna hear it...the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!! PERIOD"

The attack may not amount to terrorism yet, but the killer's apparent social media history points to what could be a racist hate crime. It's not shocking that many lefties would prefer to sweep this story under the rug.
 
2021-11-25 7:51:44 AM  

Sumo Surfer: tirob: I can't help thinking that the recent acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse in Judge Turnhamloose's court formed the backdrop to the tragedy in Waukesha.  Because what that taught every nut case in Wisconsin was that in that state it's perfectly all right, once you're out on the street with a deadly weapon, to use it on people you don't like.

Memo to Judge Schroeder and to the jury in his court that neglected to do their duties:  If something goes around, it tends to come around.  Maybe you should stick to doing your jobs the next time.

Congrats on the stupidest take I've heard so far. Your butthurt has not gone unnoticed.

The people who died in Kenosha were actively trying to attack and kill Rittenhouse before getting shot.

None of the 60+ victims in the Waukesha did anything to this guy before he decided to plow through them, despite you inferring that they had it coming because you didn't like the Rittenhouse verdict.


Others imply.  You infer.
 
2021-11-25 7:51:47 AM  

WDFark think for a second: NEDM: WDFark think for a second: Just wait until someone tries this with a garbage truck.

...you mean like they did in Nice?

No I mean a garbage truck. That was a cargo truck. I somehow think a dump/garbage truck would be harder to stop.


They are also harder to get going.

Inertia. How does it work?
 
2021-11-25 7:54:46 AM  
When the "law" becomes controlled by and politicized by the GOP, as it is now; Republican terrorism, rape, kidnapping, pedophilia and murder become legal and reprisals outside the law become commonplace as well.

This way the GOP can blame Democrats for "crime", by just tweaking a few judges from the Epstein book to let republicans go for terrorism.
 
2021-11-25 8:02:34 AM  

Sumo Surfer: It's funny to see some media outlets like CNN or the AP still reporting this attack as a "crash". This mass killer is on video purposefully ramming into people, which is why he's been charged with homicide.

The killer's since-deleted social media accounts showed his support for BLM and black nationalism and he made posts promoting violence towards white people:

"So when we start bakk knokkin white people TF out ion wanna hear it...the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!! PERIOD"

The attack may not amount to terrorism yet, but the killer's apparent social media history points to what could be a racist hate crime. It's not shocking that many lefties would prefer to sweep this story under the rug.


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2021-11-25 8:04:59 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Sumo Surfer: It's funny to see some media outlets like CNN or the AP still reporting this attack as a "crash". This mass killer is on video purposefully ramming into people, which is why he's been charged with homicide.

The killer's since-deleted social media accounts showed his support for BLM and black nationalism and he made posts promoting violence towards white people:

"So when we start bakk knokkin white people TF out ion wanna hear it...the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!! PERIOD"

The attack may not amount to terrorism yet, but the killer's apparent social media history points to what could be a racist hate crime. It's not shocking that many lefties would prefer to sweep this story under the rug.

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Link?
 
2021-11-25 8:11:05 AM  

EvilElecBlanket: thealgorerhythm: Sumo Surfer: It's funny to see some media outlets like CNN or the AP still reporting this attack as a "crash". This mass killer is on video purposefully ramming into people, which is why he's been charged with homicide.

The killer's since-deleted social media accounts showed his support for BLM and black nationalism and he made posts promoting violence towards white people:

"So when we start bakk knokkin white people TF out ion wanna hear it...the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!! PERIOD"

The attack may not amount to terrorism yet, but the killer's apparent social media history points to what could be a racist hate crime. It's not shocking that many lefties would prefer to sweep this story under the rug.

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Link?


Tell me you didn't read the article without saying you didn't read the article.
 
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