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(NBC Sports)   Are you a professional baseball player up for arbitration or some free agency? I hope you get that new contract sorted out before Dec 1st   (mlb.nbcsports.com) divider line
    More: Unlikely, Major League Baseball, upcoming deadline, players' union, labor dispute, NEW YORK, tender deadline, sport's collective bargaining agreement, Trade union  
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2021-11-25 1:12:51 AM  
10 votes:
You know what baseball needs...

a commissioner that doesn't hate the f'n game.
 
2021-11-24 11:22:54 PM  
3 votes:
It's gonna be a farking mess.
 
2021-11-25 12:20:17 AM  
3 votes:
good timing, guys.   reminder that it's on the owners.   it's always on the owners.
 
2021-11-25 12:33:12 AM  
3 votes:

Stud Gerbil: good timing, guys.   reminder that it's on the owners.   it's always on the owners.


90%.

The players get some blame because they could very easily work some negotiations which provide more to Minor League players at the slight sacrifice of big individual salaries if nothing else. Baseball in the USA needs the minors, the local teams, and both owners and players have ignored that.

It's not like the NFLPA which sold out the rookies several years ago during their CBA, as at least baseball *does* have decent contracts for the little guys at the MLB level. But you gotta spend more on the up and comers.
 
2021-11-25 5:30:12 AM  
2 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: You know what baseball needs...

a commissioner that doesn't hate the f'n game.


Or one that's not a puppet of the owners.  Fay Vincent dared to challenge them during the 1990 lockout, so the owners retaliated and destroyed whatever independent authority the office possessed.
 
2021-11-25 8:47:27 AM  
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Peter von Nostrand: You know what baseball needs...

a commissioner that doesn't hate the f'n game.

Or one that's not a puppet of the owners.  Fay Vincent dared to challenge them during the 1990 lockout, so the owners retaliated and destroyed whatever independent authority the office possessed.


why would the owners hire someone that might not act 100% in their interests.  the position warn born out of the need to appear impartial, but that time has long since passed
 
2021-11-25 8:53:23 AM  
1 vote:

kdawg7736: I don't think MLB has had lockouts before, just strikes.


strikes - 1972, 1980, 1981, 1985, 1994-5
lockouts - 1973, 1975, 1990

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-free-agents-labor-dispute-history-1994-1981-strike-1990-lockout-marvin-miller-mlbpa/lhl6crvxn0ya1xrc5n9m915xf
 
2021-11-25 9:14:06 AM  
1 vote:

puffy999: It's not like the NFLPA which sold out the rookies several years ago during their CBA


Sold out the rookies?  Everyone, Owners and Vets alike hated that a first round pick that had never played a game was making more than 75% of the roster.

The last year of that structure Sam Bradford got $80 million.  His cap hit was the third highest on the team.
 
2021-11-25 10:17:23 AM  
1 vote:

Lifeless: One day, they'll take this shiat to the brink one time too many and people will decide that professional baseball isn't worth saving.


2042 isn't that far away.
 
2021-11-25 2:11:52 PM  
1 vote:
I find it so fascinating that guys making millions of dollars are subject to the consequences (and benefits) of collective bargaining. Yes, I do know the history of how we got here and realize they are making as much as they do because of it.

My mind always thinks of some truck driver or coal miner when things like arbitration and lockouts are mentioned, not some dude who's set to make $20 million dollars next year.
 
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2021-11-25 2:32:25 PM  
1 vote:

IAmRight: MSkow: I find it so fascinating that guys making millions of dollars are subject to the consequences (and benefits) of collective bargaining. Yes, I do know the history of how we got here and realize they are making as much as they do because of it.

My mind always thinks of some truck driver or coal miner when things like arbitration and lockouts are mentioned, not some dude who's set to make $20 million dollars next year.

Weirdly, I think most people in America have most of their union exposure via professional sports.


My first ever job, at 14, was at Meijer, which is Union. My father, great grandfather 3 uncles and an aunt were all UAW.

YMMV, I realize, because I'm from Detroit, but still. People know what unions are outside of sports, more often than not.
 
2021-11-25 3:41:47 PM  
1 vote:

151: 151: IAmRight: MSkow: I find it so fascinating that guys making millions of dollars are subject to the consequences (and benefits) of collective bargaining. Yes, I do know the history of how we got here and realize they are making as much as they do because of it.

My mind always thinks of some truck driver or coal miner when things like arbitration and lockouts are mentioned, not some dude who's set to make $20 million dollars next year.

Weirdly, I think most people in America have most of their union exposure via professional sports.

My first ever job, at 14, was at Meijer, which is Union. My father, great grandfather 3 uncles and an aunt were all UAW.

YMMV, I realize, because I'm from Detroit, but still. People know what unions are outside of sports, more often than not.

The more I think about it, it might just be the rust belt upbringing in me that makes me think this. Unions are obviously all over the country outside of sports, but maybe it's short-sighted of me to think they're as common elsewhere. FFS, there's some restaurants around here that are Union.


I'm in Los Angeles, but we have similar viewpoints. I was in the UFCW from age 16 to 29 and my father in law is a longshoreman.
 
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