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(Slate)   The fact of the matter is that back in the '60s and '70s, when Boomers were only a little old, lots of people used to die at huge concerts all the time. Then punk rock came along and solved that problem. So way to go, Green Day and Blink 182   (slate.com) divider line
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2021-11-17 9:00:26 AM  
Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated (Official Music Video)
Youtube bm51ihfi1p4
 
2021-11-17 9:07:30 AM  
Was the solution to NOT hire the Hell's Angels to provide security for the concert?
 
2021-11-17 9:19:35 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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they hopped on the train
 
2021-11-17 9:22:30 AM  
Yeah.  And The Clash!

I'm all lost at the su-per-mar-ket
La la la la la la laaa la!!!
 
2021-11-17 9:23:16 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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I think it depends on your definition of punk rock. I'd say maybe the MC5 about a decade earlier.
 
2021-11-17 9:23:32 AM  
Lol green day and blink 182 submitter you bastard
 
2021-11-17 9:23:59 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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LOL no.

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2021-11-17 9:25:00 AM  
Sure, but what of the havoc that punk rock unleased on the Doctor from Love Boat?
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2021-11-17 9:26:14 AM  
The risk is part of the experience. Like skydiving.
 
2021-11-17 9:26:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Sure, but what of the havoc that punk rock unleased on the Doctor from Love Boat?
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Doc does not fark around.  I bet he set that kid straight by the end of that special and made him join the ROTC.
 
2021-11-17 9:27:34 AM  
I saw The Ramones open for Pearl Jam in like 95 (?) in Austin.

It was July and they were carrying people out on stretchers. But they still played the whole set in jeans and leather jackets.
 
2021-11-17 9:27:38 AM  
Make it small = be unpopular

/mostly likes unpopular bands
 
2021-11-17 9:28:05 AM  
So bigger isn't always better?
 
2021-11-17 9:28:18 AM  
Death was all around us in them-there days. I seem to remember open graves beside the playgrounds for quick & easy body disposal.
 
2021-11-17 9:28:54 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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Nah. Monks.
 
2021-11-17 9:31:09 AM  
Germs - Lion's Share
Youtube DFcwY-EU_qs


Suck on this Green Day
 
2021-11-17 9:32:56 AM  
I didn't RTFA, but judging by the picture at the top, punk rockers responded by taking their clothes off.
 
2021-11-17 9:35:18 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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They always considered themselves a rock and roll band.
Some credit them with kickstarting the punk movement in Britain.
 
2021-11-17 9:39:12 AM  
Subby: beautiful trolling with that last sentence.
 
2021-11-17 9:41:02 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Sure, but what of the havoc that punk rock unleased on the Doctor from Love Boat?
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Holy crow. It's on YouTube

The Day My Kid Went Punk
Youtube MXGn4We3AbM
 
2021-11-17 9:44:09 AM  
Sure those punk shows were safer...as long as you didn't show up wearing the wrong color shoelaces in your Doc Martens.
 
2021-11-17 9:45:13 AM  
I saw The Who earlier in that tour.  It was "festival seating", which meant no seat assignments and all tickets were general admission.  It was basically a Le Mans start with several thousand people.  I said to my friend as we stayed out of the way of the stampede, "someone is going to get  hurt by this".
 
2021-11-17 9:46:46 AM  

El Jefe Dynamo: Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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I think it depends on your definition of punk rock. I'd say maybe the MC5 about a decade earlier.


It very much does depend on how you define it. Most people consider the MC5 to be first.
Los Saicos formed in Lima, Peru in 1964, is the earliest band I've heard that has sound and message most would consider punk.
 
2021-11-17 9:47:51 AM  
Mike Watt!!!

Minutemen - Little man with a gun in his hand
Youtube uTVl_2ENTXo
 
2021-11-17 9:48:32 AM  
I recently re-listened to Nevermind the Bullocks, haven't listened to it since my "punk" day in the early nineties in middle school.  It's actually still a great album.

And can we cancel any and all labelling of nineties pop rock as punk?  Green Day, Blink 182, Rancid, etc can't hold one of Johnny Rotten's safety pins.
 
2021-11-17 9:49:30 AM  

12349876: Make it small = be unpopular

/mostly likes unpopular bands


This. Just saw Gwar and Napalm Death last night. Ticket was 45 bucks with fees and and they played at a bar that held like 2500 people.

Great show.
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2021-11-17 9:51:59 AM  
"How punk responded to the deadly concerts of the '60s and '70s."

So...the one in the 60s and the one in the 70s? One where a guy was killed by the Hells Angels, and the other where people got trampled trying to get in? Those two? And how many rock concerts took place within the span of those two decades?

The theme here is so incredibly disingenuous it's bordering on criminal. To imply that "punk rock" formulated a solution to some imaginary problem with people dying at rock concerts in simply blatant dishonesty. I guess there's no point in expecting anything more than manufactured bullshiat from a clickmill garbage site like Slate.
 
2021-11-17 9:53:23 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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2021-11-17 9:54:05 AM  
I just read Dave Grohl's biography. His first real band was a punk group called Scream. There's even video out on the internet of teenaged Dave Grohl. Dave was not a good student. Dave loved marijuana.
 
2021-11-17 9:54:33 AM  
In the late 1960s, as many have pointed out in the days since this mass casualty event, people also died at American festivals-most famously Woodstock and Altamont, both staged in 1969.


Hmmmm, only two people died at Woodstock. One was from a drug overdose, the over was because the guy was sleeping under a tractor, and the driver did not see him. Hardly a proof that those festivals were death zones.
 
2021-11-17 9:57:31 AM  

El Jefe Dynamo: Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

...I'd say maybe the MC5 about a decade earlier.


I'd agree and maybe put the Stooges right there too. Iggy really captured the ethos and he straight up admitted he was highly influenced by Jim Morrison's live performance.

I forgot about it until just now - but there are lots of clips of him on stage egging on the crowd with multiple cops on stage trying to keep a lid on things.
Jimbo was farking nuts.
 
2021-11-17 9:58:32 AM  
Great way to spin your band's unpopularity. "Yeah we would do arena shows but we care about our audience so we're limiting our shows to venues that hold 50 or fewer people."
 
2021-11-17 9:59:46 AM  

amindtat: Sure those punk shows were safer...as long as you didn't show up wearing the wrong color shoelaces in your Doc Martens.


vans ftw vans song - suicide machines
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2021-11-17 10:01:53 AM  

stuhayes2010: I recently re-listened to Nevermind the Bullocks, haven't listened to it since my "punk" day in the early nineties in middle school.  It's actually still a great album.

And can we cancel any and all labelling of nineties pop rock as punk?  Green Day, Blink 182, Rancid, etc can't hold one of Johnny Rotten's safety pins.


Rancid? Do you call Television pop-punk? (I mean, if so, fair enough, I guess) but pop punk isn't just upbeat music. Rancid talks about being homeless, drug addiction, and a lot of the same stuff GBH does.

Pop punk is all about girls and adults not understanding you. Simple Plan, Good Charlotte, Mest, and those tools are not the same kind of music as Social Distortion, Bad Religion, or Rancid, despite the latter having melodic songs and not being as heavy or thrashy as D.R.I. or the Exploited. At the end of the day though, all that really matters about music is that the people listening to it like it.
 
2021-11-17 10:03:09 AM  

oldfarthenry: Death was all around us in them-there days. I seem to remember open graves beside the playgrounds for quick & easy body disposal.


And now playgrounds have been pussified ! I can't even remember the last time I saw a death or a dismemberement at the slide.
 
2021-11-17 10:03:45 AM  

AteMyBrain: "How punk responded to the deadly concerts of the '60s and '70s."

So...the one in the 60s and the one in the 70s? One where a guy was killed by the Hells Angels, and the other where people got trampled trying to get in? Those two? And how many rock concerts took place within the span of those two decades?

The theme here is so incredibly disingenuous it's bordering on criminal. To imply that "punk rock" formulated a solution to some imaginary problem with people dying at rock concerts in simply blatant dishonesty. I guess there's no point in expecting anything more than manufactured bullshiat from a clickmill garbage site like Slate.


The headline says it all:

How punk responded to the deadly concerts of the '60s and '70s.

A large swath of "punk" would have amped up the death rate and told the audience "You get hurt it's your fault you nobbers!" and that's what a lot of people liked about it.

But the narrative now is that punk is the only thing that ever mattered in music so they must have saved countless lives, too.
 
2021-11-17 10:05:46 AM  
padraig:

That's cause I move the bodies after I'm.done playing, but it's not the slides doing the decapitations or dismemberments.
 
2021-11-17 10:08:55 AM  

Natalie Portmanteau: Johnny Rotten


An unfortunate mascot of punk.
More fashion icon than musician. Punk is anything done well with a homegrown support system rather than corporate sponsorship.
 
2021-11-17 10:10:06 AM  

AteMyBrain: The theme here is so incredibly disingenuous it's bordering on criminal.a hysterical excuse to just write about punk rock, for any reason (and no reason) at all.


FTFY, and yes, I had the same thought.

/I'd give the kid an A in highschool for trying, but a C in college english/writing seminars.
 
2021-11-17 10:13:49 AM  
I've seen my share of transcendent shows in tiny spaces. I saw All at a club in the attic of a Chinese restaurant (literally an attic-the restaurant was in an old wood frame house), Beat Happening in the basement of a Unitarian church, Superchunk (and dozens of others) at 7th St Entry, Fugazi at a YMCA.

That being said, there's something to be said for an experience that's shared with thousands of people instead of dozens. Arcade Fire at Lollapalooza less than a year after Funeral was released, with maybe the largest crowd of the two days. U2 adding an unexpected "Party Girl" to the routine "bring a woman onstage and serenade her" segment of the ZooTV tour. Sonic Youth playing Daydream Nation front to back at Pitchfork.

In other words, both sides are good.
 
2021-11-17 10:16:33 AM  

AuralArgument: padraig:

That's cause I move the bodies after I'm.done playing, but it's not the slides doing the decapitations or dismemberments.


::side-eye intensifies::
 
2021-11-17 10:16:47 AM  
Having attended my first show at the old 9:30 Club when it was still on F ST, and having gotten the big black X on my hand for being under age, I loved that article.   Slam dancing the night away as Black Flag opened for the Misfits who opened for GWAR was amazing.

Did I come home bruised?  Hell yes.   Was I sore?  Hell yes.  Did that make the memory more vivid and make me feel more alive the next day?  Hell yes.
 
2021-11-17 10:21:41 AM  

Trainspotr: I've seen my share of transcendent shows in tiny spaces. I saw All at a club in the attic of a Chinese restaurant (literally an attic-the restaurant was in an old wood frame house), Beat Happening in the basement of a Unitarian church, Superchunk (and dozens of others) at 7th St Entry, Fugazi at a YMCA.

That being said, there's something to be said for an experience that's shared with thousands of people instead of dozens. Arcade Fire at Lollapalooza less than a year after Funeral was released, with maybe the largest crowd of the two days. U2 adding an unexpected "Party Girl" to the routine "bring a woman onstage and serenade her" segment of the ZooTV tour. Sonic Youth playing Daydream Nation front to back at Pitchfork.

In other words, both sides are good.


I'm from the DC area, but the fifirst time I ever saw Fugazi play was in a High School gymnasium in southwest Germany, in maybe 1991 or 1992.   The crowd was all leather-clad skin-headed German antifascist teens and young adults, stomping around in their black Doc Maartens with red laces and patches on the sides.  That crowd was violent.  Not mean.  But violent, in a completely out of farks to give unleashed sort of way. I didn't come away needing stitches, but one of my cousin's friends did.
 
2021-11-17 10:22:59 AM  

Hey Nurse!: I just read Dave Grohl's biography. His first real band was a punk group called Scream. There's even video out on the internet of teenaged Dave Grohl. Dave was not a good student. Dave loved marijuana.


(Please don't take this like a ComicBook Guy comment...) His first real band was Mission Impossible. They released a split 7" with Lunch Meat (which would later become SoulSide). I used to know the gal who put it out on her record label. Ian MacKaye's youngest sister, Amanda.
 
2021-11-17 10:24:15 AM  
Only 3 people died at Woodstock and none were crowd related. 2 overdoses and an accident.  My dad was a nurse working in one of the medical tents. His stories were interesting and always included something along the lines of how peaceful everyone was.
 
2021-11-17 10:24:38 AM  

El Jefe Dynamo: Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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I think it depends on your definition of punk rock. I'd say maybe the MC5 about a decade earlier.


How about Link Wray in '66?

Link Wray - Hidden Charms.
Youtube MUBck5KbUvE
 
2021-11-17 10:27:23 AM  

El Jefe Dynamo: Science_Guy_3.14159: Aren't The Ramones considered the first Punk Rock Band?

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I think it depends on your definition of punk rock. I'd say maybe the MC5 about a decade earlier.


The wiki article groups MC5 with "proto-punk". That seems to be a somewhat loose category, so people probably disagree on what bands are in it and when proto-punk became punk. The proto-punk page cites "Here Are the Sonics", released in 1965, as early proto-punk, and "She Lied", a 1964 song by The Rockin' Ramrods. The song doesn't sound like punk to me, but people who know far more about music think it was heading in that direction.
 
2021-11-17 10:30:29 AM  
Have plenty of mosh pit stories. But it always seemed to me that if you fell down someone was there to pick you up pretty quick. Yeah it was aggressive and yes there were violent assholes bent on destruction but I don't think I ever saw anyone with more than a bloody nose.
 
2021-11-17 10:32:59 AM  
Is blink-182 technically a supergroup now?
 
2021-11-17 10:33:46 AM  

Warthog: Fugazi at a YMCA.


I saw them last at an old Walmart in Houston.

Tickets: $5
 
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