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2021-11-15 8:23:34 PM  
I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.
 
2021-11-15 8:30:00 PM  
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2021-11-15 8:34:48 PM  
I can get that a comic actor might not be an actual comic. But looking at those blooper reels from Young Frankenstein and I have a hard time not seeing him as a person who can relax and enjoy himself.
 
2021-11-15 8:35:56 PM  
He was a super talented dramatic actor, which is probably why he could sell the funny stuff so well.

And he did ad lib "you know: morons!".
 
2021-11-15 8:37:46 PM  

Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.


From what I understand it's a pretty consistent story from co-stars and contemporaries. Not necessarily a jerk, but a pretty reserved, serious dude
 
2021-11-15 8:37:52 PM  
I can totally see that. He strikes me as the type that would be more reserved when the cameras aren't rolling.
 
2021-11-15 8:38:02 PM  
Being funny is a job?
 
2021-11-15 8:42:34 PM  
You'd think Wilder's first collab with Brooks was Blazing Saddles, based on the content of that article.

I don't find it surprising at all that he was serious on set, but given that he and Gilda Radner were, by all accounts, quite in love... I doubt a dour and serious Gene Wilder would have managed to woo Gilda Radner.

Just because a few actors didn't see him clowning around on set only means he was committed to his art.
 
2021-11-15 8:43:29 PM  

Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.


I'm honestly not surprised.  Even with improv and ad-libbing, the funniest people I've ever known in everyday life are consistently the quiet ones, the people who don't generally make themselves the center of attention.  Every once in a while, though, they just can't stop themselves:  An ordinary conversation is going on, and out of nowhere, the shy guy just fires off the best wiseass remark you've heard in weeks, and it's even more perfect for being so unexpected.  Even they're a little surprised, like they just lost control and something just took over.

Based on times we've seen Wilder ad-lib, like his famous "you know...  morons," and his costars' reactions to it, it's totally believable that Wilder wasn't someone who made a common practice of randomly cracking jokes.  They only came out if they were so perfect that he really couldn't stop himself.
 
2021-11-15 8:55:57 PM  
I don't care about most actors, but when Gene Wilder died, I was very sad that day.

On a different note, I've been binge-watching "All in the Family" and there's an episode where two black guys break into the Bunker household.  Turns out, they were Cleavon Little and Demond Wilson.
/csb
 
2021-11-15 8:56:13 PM  
So, a professional.  Good to know.
 
2021-11-15 9:01:24 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I don't care about most actors, but when Gene Wilder died, I was very sad that day.


Yeah, he and Leslie Nielsen were the ones who really hit me.  I was born in the late 80s, but my dad showed my sister and I a lot of the classics growing up, and it definitely shaped our sense of humor.  Wilder was definitely one of the "fark it; I'm spending the evening and most of tomorrow watching his stuff" guys when he passed.
 
2021-11-15 9:18:00 PM  
I wonder if the set was tense. If I recall, it was difficult to get the movie made, and the studio was keeping a close eye on the production and giving a lot of notes.
 
2021-11-15 9:26:03 PM  
What I always think about is that Richard Pryor was supposed to star in BS. But he was so farked up the studios noped out. I love Cleavon, but can't help imagining Pryor in that role.
 
2021-11-15 9:29:52 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.

I'm honestly not surprised.  Even with improv and ad-libbing, the funniest people I've ever known in everyday life are consistently the quiet ones, the people who don't generally make themselves the center of attention.  Every once in a while, though, they just can't stop themselves:  An ordinary conversation is going on, and out of nowhere, the shy guy just fires off the best wiseass remark you've heard in weeks, and it's even more perfect for being so unexpected.  Even they're a little surprised, like they just lost control and something just took over.

Based on times we've seen Wilder ad-lib, like his famous "you know...  morons," and his costars' reactions to it, it's totally believable that Wilder wasn't someone who made a common practice of randomly cracking jokes.  They only came out if they were so perfect that he really couldn't stop himself.


I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.
 
2021-11-15 9:37:31 PM  
He was a great actor. I don't see anything in the article that refutes that. Dude was at work doing his job and he took it seriously.
 
2021-11-15 9:37:41 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: What I always think about is that Richard Pryor was supposed to star in BS. But he was so farked up the studios noped out. I love Cleavon, but can't help imagining Pryor in that role.


IMHO, Cleavon Little was the better choice...Richard Pryor would have been to manic...for lack of a better term.
 
2021-11-15 9:38:57 PM  
As the film's name implies, Blazing Saddles' jokes broke barriers and brought a comedic element that had not been seen in the genre before.

Blazing Saddles was an amazing movie in many respects, but it wasn't the first western comedy. It even heavily references an earlier western comedy, 1939's Destry Rides Again, particularly with Madeline Khan's impression of Marlene Dietrich.
 
2021-11-15 9:43:09 PM  
I don't know. Maybe Gene just didn't like that guy.

Seems funny here.

Young Frankenstein (1974) Bloopers & Outtakes
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2021-11-15 9:44:32 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: Last Man on Earth: Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.

I'm honestly not surprised.  Even with improv and ad-libbing, the funniest people I've ever known in everyday life are consistently the quiet ones, the people who don't generally make themselves the center of attention.  Every once in a while, though, they just can't stop themselves:  An ordinary conversation is going on, and out of nowhere, the shy guy just fires off the best wiseass remark you've heard in weeks, and it's even more perfect for being so unexpected.  Even they're a little surprised, like they just lost control and something just took over.

Based on times we've seen Wilder ad-lib, like his famous "you know...  morons," and his costars' reactions to it, it's totally believable that Wilder wasn't someone who made a common practice of randomly cracking jokes.  They only came out if they were so perfect that he really couldn't stop himself.

I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.


As have I.  I suspect a lot of Farkers live in that zone:  Quiet, friendly enough in a "cashiers and coworkers usually like us" sense.  A little socially awkward, acceptably so most of the time, but enough to get us the rep as the person who doesn't talk as much.  Every once in a great while, though, when the right stars align, the Ultimate Wiseass emerges for one glorious, completely unexpected moment, and we couldn't stop ourselves even if we wanted to.
 
2021-11-15 9:45:15 PM  
I figured that when I saw the letter he wrote containing notes about Willy Wonka.  He was serious, deliberate, and polite.

Lots of people you might think are 'spontaneously funny' are like that.  Well, maybe not polite.  But they learn what is funny through trial and error in the beginning and then apply their minds to perfecting it.  It's not magic, it's brains and effort dedicated to understanding what makes others laugh.
 
2021-11-15 9:47:39 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Being funny is a job?


And a fiendishly difficult one.
 
2021-11-15 9:53:12 PM  
Exile On Beale Stree I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.

You, Me, Same-same
 
2021-11-15 9:53:47 PM  

The_Sponge: Exile On Beale Street: What I always think about is that Richard Pryor was supposed to star in BS. But he was so farked up the studios noped out. I love Cleavon, but can't help imagining Pryor in that role.

IMHO, Cleavon Little was the better choice...Richard Pryor would have been to manic...for lack of a better term.


Coked up?
 
2021-11-15 9:58:30 PM  

LesserEvil: You'd think Wilder's first collab with Brooks was Blazing Saddles, based on the content of that article.

I don't find it surprising at all that he was serious on set, but given that he and Gilda Radner were, by all accounts, quite in love... I doubt a dour and serious Gene Wilder would have managed to woo Gilda Radner.

Just because a few actors didn't see him clowning around on set only means he was committed to his art.


Probably the reason he and Gilda Radner got along so well is because there wasn't some competitive need to be "on" all the time.

As for the guy in TFA's take, Gene and Mel were working on the "Young Frankenstein" script while Blazing Saddles was being shot. Dude was probably exhausted.
 
2021-11-15 10:00:06 PM  

dionysusaur: The_Sponge: Exile On Beale Street: What I always think about is that Richard Pryor was supposed to star in BS. But he was so farked up the studios noped out. I love Cleavon, but can't help imagining Pryor in that role.

IMHO, Cleavon Little was the better choice...Richard Pryor would have been to manic...for lack of a better term.

Coked up?


Also yes.

And I messed up...."too" not "to".
 
2021-11-15 10:07:09 PM  
I know some guys who do comedy writing. They're pretty serious guys almost all the time.
 
2021-11-15 10:07:29 PM  
I bet he was plenty funny, just not always "on" for the benefit of others.

I've heard the same about Christopher Guest, who doesn't perform "on" funny at all times. No doubt they are/were both very funny people, just not 24/7 crackups.
 
2021-11-15 10:07:30 PM  

dionysusaur: AlgaeRancher: Being funny is a job?

And a fiendishly difficult one.


Death is easy
Comedy is hard

Very old stage saying
 
2021-11-15 10:10:28 PM  
If we can't trust one guy's anecdotal remembrance of 2 months in Wilder's life, on the one film they worked on together, over 40+ years ago, who can we trust?
 
2021-11-15 10:18:38 PM  
Area man learns sometimes comedians are serious at work.
 
2021-11-15 10:19:13 PM  
What's next?  He played Willy Wonka but did not like candy?

OH NOES!!!
 
2021-11-15 10:20:10 PM  

hammettman: If we can't trust one guy's anecdotal remembrance of 2 months in Wilder's life, on the one film they worked on together, over 40+ years ago, who can we trust?


I put my trust in the friend of the friend of that guy. He sounds pretty certain of himself.
 
2021-11-15 10:24:25 PM  

The_Sponge: Exile On Beale Street: What I always think about is that Richard Pryor was supposed to star in BS. But he was so farked up the studios noped out. I love Cleavon, but can't help imagining Pryor in that role.

IMHO, Cleavon Little was the better choice...Richard Pryor would have been to manic...for lack of a better term.


Also, Cleavon Little was sex on a stick, and the role needed that.

/Yes, it's twue
 
2021-11-15 10:34:32 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Exile On Beale Street: Last Man on Earth: Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.

I'm honestly not surprised.  Even with improv and ad-libbing, the funniest people I've ever known in everyday life are consistently the quiet ones, the people who don't generally make themselves the center of attention.  Every once in a while, though, they just can't stop themselves:  An ordinary conversation is going on, and out of nowhere, the shy guy just fires off the best wiseass remark you've heard in weeks, and it's even more perfect for being so unexpected.  Even they're a little surprised, like they just lost control and something just took over.

Based on times we've seen Wilder ad-lib, like his famous "you know...  morons," and his costars' reactions to it, it's totally believable that Wilder wasn't someone who made a common practice of randomly cracking jokes.  They only came out if they were so perfect that he really couldn't stop himself.

I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.

As have I.  I suspect a lot of Farkers live in that zone:  Quiet, friendly enough in a "cashiers and coworkers usually like us" sense.  A little socially awkward, acceptably so most of the time, but enough to get us the rep as the person who doesn't talk as much.  Every once in a great while, though, when the right stars align, the Ultimate Wiseass emerges for one glorious, completely unexpected moment, and we couldn't stop ourselves even if we wanted to.


Cheers!, fellow wallflower wiseass! I will shotgun a Sierra Nevada in your honor.
 
2021-11-15 10:38:01 PM  

dionysusaur: Exile On Beale Stree I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.

You, Me, Same-same


🤘
 
2021-11-15 10:45:13 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: I bet he was plenty funny, just not always "on" for the benefit of others.

I've heard the same about Christopher Guest, who doesn't perform "on" funny at all times. No doubt they are/were both very funny people, just not 24/7 crackups.


I was thinking about CG the other day and I wondered, What subculture will he spoof next?  My first thought was child beauty pageants, but then I remembered he has no scripts, almost everything is improved, and working with children would be a nightmare. Any suggestions? I'm thinking Amway or NASCAR.
 
2021-11-15 10:48:28 PM  

hammettman: If we can't trust one guy's anecdotal remembrance of 2 months in Wilder's life, on the one film they worked on together, over 40+ years ago, who can we trust?


I guess we could trust Teri Garr, who hated Gene Wilder's guts, and had some very nasty things to say about his behavior toward her during the filming of "Young Frankenstein."

Unfortunately, everything I've heard about Gene Wilder in real life has been quite negative---including from his own autobiography.
 
2021-11-15 11:01:50 PM  

Corn_Fed: I guess we could trust Teri Garr, who hated Gene Wilder's guts


That's OK, Garr thinks most of us are scum anyway.  She's said some amazingly nasty things in interviews yet maintained her public image anyway.
 
2021-11-15 11:06:30 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Exile On Beale Street: Last Man on Earth: Devo Cornholiosky: I respect him more for that.  Comedy is serious business, and some comedic greats were exacting on getting it right.  It's like expecting a highly respected news man to go home and read the news to the pets, and tell the news to guests at his home.

I'm honestly not surprised.  Even with improv and ad-libbing, the funniest people I've ever known in everyday life are consistently the quiet ones, the people who don't generally make themselves the center of attention.  Every once in a while, though, they just can't stop themselves:  An ordinary conversation is going on, and out of nowhere, the shy guy just fires off the best wiseass remark you've heard in weeks, and it's even more perfect for being so unexpected.  Even they're a little surprised, like they just lost control and something just took over.

Based on times we've seen Wilder ad-lib, like his famous "you know...  morons," and his costars' reactions to it, it's totally believable that Wilder wasn't someone who made a common practice of randomly cracking jokes.  They only came out if they were so perfect that he really couldn't stop himself.

I've been told I'm that guy. I tend to be a wallflower and listen, but when I get a slow pitch right over the plate, I swing hard.

As have I.  I suspect a lot of Farkers live in that zone:  Quiet, friendly enough in a "cashiers and coworkers usually like us" sense.  A little socially awkward, acceptably so most of the time, but enough to get us the rep as the person who doesn't talk as much.  Every once in a great while, though, when the right stars align, the Ultimate Wiseass emerges for one glorious, completely unexpected moment, and we couldn't stop ourselves even if we wanted to.


CSB: At an old job, a coworker let slip that he had a LOT of downloaded barely legal porn. All of my coworkers started calling him Predator. To his face. In front of the boss. They did the clicking sound when they walked by him. This went on for weeks. I never engaged, felt sorry for him. Then, one day in the break room, in front of a captive audience, a story came on the TV about an Amber Alert. Predator says "Do they know who took her?"  I ask, loudly, for the first time, "where were you that day?"  Room explodes, I get called to boss' office and chewed out. My argument was was that my only crime was having better comedic timing than those other idiots. He mumbledly agreed, and the whole Predator thing got squashed.
 
2021-11-15 11:08:40 PM  

Exile On Beale Street: CSB: At an old job, a coworker let slip that he had a LOT of downloaded barely legal porn. All of my coworkers started calling him Predator. To his face. In front of the boss. They did the clicking sound when they walked by him. This went on for weeks. I never engaged, felt sorry for him. Then, one day in the break room, in front of a captive audience, a story came on the TV about an Amber Alert. Predator says "Do they know who took her?" I ask, loudly, for the first time, "where were you that day?" Room explodes, I get called to boss' office and chewed out. My argument was was that my only crime was having better comedic timing than those other idiots. He mumbledly agreed, and the whole Predator thing got squashed.


Was the porn LEGAL?  Then basically you were harassing the guy.  Was it ILLEGAL?  Then why didn't you report him to the cops?

You decided you didn't like his preferences and you bullied him.  Wow.  You're a hero.
 
2021-11-15 11:14:39 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Exile On Beale Street: CSB: At an old job, a coworker let slip that he had a LOT of downloaded barely legal porn. All of my coworkers started calling him Predator. To his face. In front of the boss. They did the clicking sound when they walked by him. This went on for weeks. I never engaged, felt sorry for him. Then, one day in the break room, in front of a captive audience, a story came on the TV about an Amber Alert. Predator says "Do they know who took her?" I ask, loudly, for the first time, "where were you that day?" Room explodes, I get called to boss' office and chewed out. My argument was was that my only crime was having better comedic timing than those other idiots. He mumbledly agreed, and the whole Predator thing got squashed.

Was the porn LEGAL?  Then basically you were harassing the guy.  Was it ILLEGAL?  Then why didn't you report him to the cops?

You decided you didn't like his preferences and you bullied him.  Wow.  You're a hero.


Way to miss the point. Yes, it was legal. I didn't harass him, my coworkers did. For weeks. I kept my mouth shut. Until I was given a slow pitch right over the plate. I swung. Have fun with your phony outrage, troll.
 
2021-11-15 11:41:07 PM  
And?
 
2021-11-15 11:42:08 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Exile On Beale Street: CSB: At an old job, a coworker let slip that he had a LOT of downloaded barely legal porn. All of my coworkers started calling him Predator. To his face. In front of the boss. They did the clicking sound when they walked by him. This went on for weeks. I never engaged, felt sorry for him. Then, one day in the break room, in front of a captive audience, a story came on the TV about an Amber Alert. Predator says "Do they know who took her?" I ask, loudly, for the first time, "where were you that day?" Room explodes, I get called to boss' office and chewed out. My argument was was that my only crime was having better comedic timing than those other idiots. He mumbledly agreed, and the whole Predator thing got squashed.

Was the porn LEGAL?  Then basically you were harassing the guy.  Was it ILLEGAL?  Then why didn't you report him to the cops?

You decided you didn't like his preferences and you bullied him.  Wow.  You're a hero.


If you're downloading porn at work and you're not in that industry, you deserve to be mocked.
 
2021-11-16 12:08:37 AM  
That has described me in real life as well.
 
2021-11-16 12:20:25 AM  

Corn_Fed: hammettman: If we can't trust one guy's anecdotal remembrance of 2 months in Wilder's life, on the one film they worked on together, over 40+ years ago, who can we trust?

I guess we could trust Teri Garr, who hated Gene Wilder's guts, and had some very nasty things to say about his behavior toward her during the filming of "Young Frankenstein."

Unfortunately, everything I've heard about Gene Wilder in real life has been quite negative---including from his own autobiography.


Wasn't there also an issue when she was guesting on Star Trek:TOS?
 
2021-11-16 2:42:28 AM  
Pretty much heard the same thing about Peter Sellers.
Who was supposedly not funny and pretty much an eh-hole.
 
2021-11-16 4:00:07 AM  

Exile On Beale Street: Unsung_Hero: Exile On Beale Street: CSB: At an old job, a coworker let slip that he had a LOT of downloaded barely legal porn. All of my coworkers started calling him Predator. To his face. In front of the boss. They did the clicking sound when they walked by him. This went on for weeks. I never engaged, felt sorry for him. Then, one day in the break room, in front of a captive audience, a story came on the TV about an Amber Alert. Predator says "Do they know who took her?" I ask, loudly, for the first time, "where were you that day?" Room explodes, I get called to boss' office and chewed out. My argument was was that my only crime was having better comedic timing than those other idiots. He mumbledly agreed, and the whole Predator thing got squashed.

Was the porn LEGAL?  Then basically you were harassing the guy.  Was it ILLEGAL?  Then why didn't you report him to the cops?

You decided you didn't like his preferences and you bullied him.  Wow.  You're a hero.

Way to miss the point. Yes, it was legal. I didn't harass him, my coworkers did. For weeks. I kept my mouth shut. Until I was given a slow pitch right over the plate. I swung. Have fun with your phony outrage, troll.


I'm with you.  Anyone who announces what kind of porn they watch in an office, deserves ridicule.
 
2021-11-16 5:13:35 AM  
I've read something similar about the iconic Ray Romano, very reserved, never ever funny.
 
2021-11-16 6:09:59 AM  
This is not news. I've heard it before.
 
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