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2021-11-12 4:19:40 PM  
Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."
 
2021-11-12 4:24:48 PM  
I bet it was Mark Davis that leaked them. He finally realized he made a huge mistake and was looking for a way out.
 
2021-11-12 4:27:23 PM  

Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."


Gruden has a point, and a dollar in damages sounds about right. In the meantime, pass the popcorn.
 
2021-11-12 4:29:00 PM  
NFL was right in bouncing Gruden, but spiked the ball at the line of scrimmage. Guessing the league assumes the award for this case is FAR less than the hit they'd take if all the truth came out.
I know, I know...Ric Romero
 
2021-11-12 4:29:39 PM  
I hope we get to see discovery.
 
2021-11-12 4:33:46 PM  

nmrsnr: I hope we get to see discovery.


Yup. Exhibit A- The other 649,999 emails not published.
 
2021-11-12 4:33:56 PM  
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2021-11-12 4:40:00 PM  
He was told that you could find a shorter route to China I'm told.
 
2021-11-12 4:44:15 PM  

Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.



Yup. You thought Colin Kaepernick got paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd-uhhhhhhh?  He's gonna like a lemonade stand payout after what Gruden gets.

Kaep's case quickly got settled after his attorneys got depositions.  the NFL figured, "we pay a shiat-fark-metrick-cock-ton of moeny to make this go away, because, if this goes to trial, it will be cataclysmically bad for us."

Gruden can invoke the same discovery process Kaep did but the thing is, the NFL knows what it knows, and they have to hand that stuff over.  How many other NFL teams are caught up in stupid emails and texts, and so on?  the NFL, just as it did with Kaep but this time, on a much larger level, hoo boy.

Hell, Dan Snyder alone, has to be begging the NFL to avoid trial at all costs.  this case never sees a trial and Gruden will get paid on a level the NFL has never seen.
 
2021-11-12 4:49:09 PM  

nmrsnr: I hope we get to see discovery.


like i said a moment ago, there's no farking way the NFL wants this stuff public.  no way.  no way whatsoever.
 
2021-11-12 5:16:43 PM  

rickythepenguin: nmrsnr: I hope we get to see discovery.

like i said a moment ago, there's no farking way the NFL wants this stuff public.  no way.  no way whatsoever.


Goodell has always said the number 1 rule in the NFL is "protect the shield".  Now we're going to see exactly how much that's going to cost.
 
2021-11-12 5:17:49 PM  
Cry more, Gruden. You got FAFO'd.
 
2021-11-12 5:20:56 PM  
Not that Gruden didn't earn being run out of the NFL but I fully support him being vindictive and dragging as many down with him as possible as I'm sure he wasn't the only jackass in this mess.
 
2021-11-12 5:25:14 PM  
Good.  I hope he wins.  It's completely asinine that he is the only one affected by the whole thing.
 
2021-11-12 5:27:49 PM  

Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."


I didn't like Gruden before all this, and I always felt he was overhyped, but the above seems about right.
 
2021-11-12 5:31:02 PM  

Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."


Oh, Gruden is absolutely a despicable piece of shiat.

But if the NFL did selectively leak documents to scapegoat him and sweep the transgressions of others under the rug, I do hope they pay. Sure, it is fine to see Gruden crash and burn, but next time it may not be someone so awful.
 
2021-11-12 5:58:43 PM  
Won't he have to actually prove the NFL leaked them in order to prevail at trial? Unless he's got a mole or a journalist willing to burn a source, I don't know how you do that.
 
2021-11-12 6:31:16 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Cry more, Gruden. You got FAFO'd.


The NFL has been farking around, too.  Just because Gruden's an ass doesn't mean his accusations are baseless.

Hell, if this results in Snyder selling the team, DC should build a statue of Gruden outside the stadium.
 
2021-11-12 6:32:04 PM  
This is a BSAB situation. Gruden deserved what he got, but the NFL doesn't want to release the rest of those 300k emails; they want to keep them secret because Snyder's one of Them - a (majority) owner. So they threw Gruden up as a sacrificial goat in hopes that would deflect and distract.

I'm glad Gruden's keeping the sh*tstorm going. Maybe the remaining emails will be leaked, and maybe that will finally rid my poor hometown team of the worst sack of rancid feces ever to darken the Washington sports landscape - Dan motherf*cking Snyder.
 
2021-11-12 6:33:29 PM  

dywed88: Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."

Oh, Gruden is absolutely a despicable piece of shiat.

But if the NFL did selectively leak documents to scapegoat him and sweep the transgressions of others under the rug, I do hope they pay. Sure, it is fine to see Gruden crash and burn, but next time it may not be someone so awful.


That is why discovery exists.

Also, Gruden has been around for a long time, he might well have some contacts that can help him out.
 
2021-11-12 6:34:25 PM  

dywed88: dywed88: Dr.Fey: Gruden's a bigot and got what he deserved, but I hope he doesn't have a confidential settlement for cash.  It'd be great to expose Snyder, if not Goodell, and any other asshat in power in the League.

Maybe the best outcome is Gruden goes to trial and loses, gets nothing, but everyone else's ugliness gets published...

The complaint (embedded in this article) is a fun read -

"In contrast to the formalities of the Washington Football Team investigation, Defendants' treatment of Gruden was a Soviet-style character assassination. There was no warning and no process."

"Defendants attempted to create a distraction from the controversy over their handling of the Washington Football Team investigation by misusing documents from that investigation to publicly sabotage Gruden's career."

"The actions by Defendants were taken outside of all standard procedures of the NFL and were contrary to Defendants' own public position that the documents from the Washington Football Team investigation were confidential."

Oh, Gruden is absolutely a despicable piece of shiat.

But if the NFL did selectively leak documents to scapegoat him and sweep the transgressions of others under the rug, I do hope they pay. Sure, it is fine to see Gruden crash and burn, but next time it may not be someone so awful.

That is why discovery exists.

Also, Gruden has been around for a long time, he might well have some contacts that can help him out.


Well that was dumb, it was supposed to reply to the post after mine, not myself.
 
2021-11-12 6:36:02 PM  
My only dog in this fight is my desire to see everyone crash and burn.  Gruden, Goodell, Snyder, the NFL.  Hell, throw Aaron Rodgers in there while we're at it - he's f*cking stupid enough to have gotten himself involved somehow.
 
2021-11-12 6:43:52 PM  

abhorrent1: I bet it was Mark Davis that leaked them. He finally realized he made a huge mistake and was looking for a way out.


somebody definitely threw him under the bus - I'm just not sure who did it.

it could have been Davis. let's face it - Davis knew he was taking the team to Las Vegas for years. he needed to generate a bit of excitement around the team ahead of the move. it's one thing to change cities, but it's another thing to take your team to Las Vegas. it's a city that's been off limits to pro sports up until a few years ago and there's no guarantee the Raiders will take root there. the think about the final season or two in Oakland - do you think good players want to come in and buy into a program knowing that soon they're going to be playing in a new city? Davis figured he could hire (and overpay) Gruden knowing the fan base was still pissed they let him go in the first place, and ESPN's marketing machine made Gruden out to be this Half Of Fame caliber coach, even though he's a sub-500 coach since winning the Super Bowl. so Davis gets his guy, makes a splash, gets to Vegas, realizes that this new city thing is going to work out, and perhaps figures his dad was right and he doesn't need Gruden around anymore. he leaks a few choice emails and Gruden has no choice but to walk away with a little pittance of a settlement.

or maybe it was the NFL itself. all the stuff coming out about Snyder is a mess and has the potential to be a huge embarrassment and damaging to business if the media begins to really focus on it. so they see these emails from Gruden and realize they have the perfect diversion. Gruden is a big enough name that they know the media will laser focus on him, so they leak the emails for cover while sweeping the whole Snyder mess under the carpet while no one's paying much attention. it's funny how that whole deal with Dan Snyder being a scumbag quietly went away while everyone focused on Gruden's emails - doesn't it?

at first I thought it was the Raiders that leaked these, but the more I think about it, it seems that these came from the NFL. if the NFL settles this lawsuit quickly and quietly with Gruden - we'll have our answer.
 
2021-11-12 6:49:48 PM  
Beginning of the end of the NFL?  First you got the St. Louis deal, now Gruden

a lot of things are going to come out in discovery revealing what a corrupt organization the NFL has become
 
2021-11-12 7:27:10 PM  
I have the perfect solution to not being run out of your job for offensive emails you've sent

Don't send them in the first place.

Especially from a work email account.
 
2021-11-12 7:30:18 PM  
Huh, a true case of BSAB
 
2021-11-12 7:31:56 PM  

abhorrent1: I bet it was Mark Davis that leaked them. He finally realized he made a huge mistake and was looking for a way out.


I thought he was pissed at the NFL for exposing this shiat during the season, and not during the off season. It sounded like the NFL knews for months about this, but decided to leak it during the season. Davis wanted to know during the off season so he could hire a new coach. I don't know anything about Mark Davis, but he does have a right to be pissed that could have fixed all this shiat earlier, and didn't get the chance. The NFL is a horribly run organization, and it really needs an overhaul. Hell, I would do it for 100,000k a year.
 
2021-11-12 7:45:54 PM  

demonfaerie: abhorrent1: I bet it was Mark Davis that leaked them. He finally realized he made a huge mistake and was looking for a way out.

I thought he was pissed at the NFL for exposing this shiat during the season, and not during the off season. It sounded like the NFL knews for months about this, but decided to leak it during the season. Davis wanted to know during the off season so he could hire a new coach. I don't know anything about Mark Davis, but he does have a right to be pissed that could have fixed all this shiat earlier, and didn't get the chance. The NFL is a horribly run organization, and it really needs an overhaul. Hell, I would do it for 100,000k a year.


If the majority of the owners in the NFL didn't want their butt-boy Goodell to be commissioner, because they know he will bend over and take it up the ass dry as long as Goodell brings them truckloads of money...
 
2021-11-12 8:14:46 PM  

ClavellBCMI: demonfaerie: abhorrent1: I bet it was Mark Davis that leaked them. He finally realized he made a huge mistake and was looking for a way out.

I thought he was pissed at the NFL for exposing this shiat during the season, and not during the off season. It sounded like the NFL knews for months about this, but decided to leak it during the season. Davis wanted to know during the off season so he could hire a new coach. I don't know anything about Mark Davis, but he does have a right to be pissed that could have fixed all this shiat earlier, and didn't get the chance. The NFL is a horribly run organization, and it really needs an overhaul. Hell, I would do it for 100,000k a year.

If the majority of the owners in the NFL didn't want their butt-boy Goodell to be commissioner, because they know he will bend over and take it up the ass dry as long as Goodell brings them truckloads of money...


Oh yes, the owners love him, but Godell has loads of black mail on a lot of teams now. Owners might turn on him now. Hope someone leaks all those emails.
 
2021-11-12 8:27:45 PM  

Paul Baumer: Won't he have to actually prove the NFL leaked them in order to prevail at trial? Unless he's got a mole or a journalist willing to burn a source, I don't know how you do that.


IANAL, but the standard of proof is different for civil vs. criminal trials, more likely than not vs. beyond reasonable doubt if I remember right. Realistically, I think all he would have to show is the NFL is the only person/group to have access to all the e-mails in question and therefore the only possible source of the leak leak, NFL sanctioned or not (rogue employee) the leak would have had to originate from them.
 
2021-11-12 9:59:01 PM  

poconojoe: at first I thought it was the Raiders that leaked these, but the more I think about it, it seems that these came from the NFL. if the NFL settles this lawsuit quickly and quietly with Gruden - we'll have our answer.


First leaked email felt like it was urging the Raiders to fire him. After that, it was, "Oh Raiders, you dun farked up. We gotta nuke Chucky from orbit now."

And if you think Gruden will do anything quickly and quietly after this...
 
2021-11-12 10:06:13 PM  
This complaint sounds to me like someone pulled over for speeding is complaining to the cop about all the other drivers who are speeding and not getting tickets for it. Other people speeding has nothing to do with the driver who was caught, he was still speeding therefore he gets the ticket.
 
2021-11-12 10:29:32 PM  

Birnone: This complaint sounds to me like someone pulled over for speeding is complaining to the cop about all the other drivers who are speeding and not getting tickets for it. Other people speeding has nothing to do with the driver who was caught, he was still speeding therefore he gets the ticket.


In this case, it's more like the Traffic Court Judge decided that no other cases matter, especially the big one in Washington that is his primary assignment, and focused all his energy on one specific driver who had a bunch of unpaid parking tickets from a decade ago.
 
2021-11-12 11:54:24 PM  

Paul Baumer: Won't he have to actually prove the NFL leaked them in order to prevail at trial?



No.  this isn't a criminal case.  Civil.  No one is going to jail;  the only sanction is civil liability ($$$$$$$). Gruden's his claim is basically, "you fired me over information you have, and not only have, but generated, so, you have to disclose to me, that information."

the leaker is relevant but also not related per se.  Both sides want to know who the leaker was, but, that goes back to my post earlier:  there is no way the NFL takes this case to court.  Leaker on the inside?  NFL loses.  And why would Gruden have leaked it?  4 years into a 10yr contract, his reputation basically destroyed?  With what at the time was an AFC contender?  No way Gruden - as much as he loved the limelight - would have torpedoed his NFL future.

He's got the NFL by the asshairs.  They will be desparate to avoid their dirty laundry being aired, but the cards are in his hands.

once again, Kaep.  No matter how you feel about his QB skills or politics, the NFL folded after the depositions.  As if the NFL didn't learn their lesson, they conducted an investigation of a legacy NFL franchise, and the only "fallout" was an NFL team 2500 miles away.  And the NFL has tried to hide the investigation.  Gruden has the right to force the NFL to show their cards.  "why the fark did I get fired?"
 
2021-11-13 1:00:18 AM  

ClavellBCMI: he will bend over and take it up the ass dry


You are a durty durty boi
 
2021-11-13 1:12:10 AM  
Wasnt Gruden an ESPN employee at the time of the emails?

If we are going to collect pelts of those who use hurtful words in emails lets go ahead and collect ALL the pelts not just one of them. Lets see the emails. ALL of them. Let the chips fall where they may. Open this all up to everyone's eyes and do some serious pelt collecting across the board and across the teams and media as applicable
 
2021-11-13 1:20:55 AM  

Birnone: This complaint sounds to me like someone pulled over for speeding is complaining to the cop about all the other drivers who are speeding and not getting tickets for it. Other people speeding has nothing to do with the driver who was caught, he was still speeding therefore he gets the ticket.


This is more like having the traffic cam photos of 1000 cars that ran red lights and only issuing a ticket to one of them. FARK that one guy, but lets go ahead and fark the other 999 too
 
2021-11-13 1:41:20 AM  
I'm glad he's doing this. Let discovery set the truth free.
 
2021-11-13 7:16:53 AM  

poconojoe: maybe it was the NFL itself. all the stuff coming out about Snyder is a mess and has the potential to be a huge embarrassment and damaging to business if the media begins to really focus on it. so they see these emails from Gruden and realize they have the perfect diversion. Gruden is a big enough name that they know the media will laser focus on him, so they leak the emails for cover while sweeping the whole Snyder mess under the carpet while no one's paying much attention. it's funny how that whole deal with Dan Snyder being a scumbag quietly went away while everyone focused on Gruden's emails - doesn't it?


Using this reasoning, wouldn't that point to Snyder as the one to leak the e-mails?  1) Snyder's organization has them and 2) Snyder would benefit from distraction 3) Snyder is the type of ass hole to do something like this.
 
2021-11-13 8:27:17 AM  
This will get settled before those emails see the light of day. The league will simply give Gruden free ownership of the St Louis expansion team (to settle the Kroenke case), then never expand.
 
2021-11-13 4:58:35 PM  

iron_city_ap: This will get settled before those emails see the light of day. The league will simply give Gruden free ownership of the St Louis expansion team (to settle the Kroenke case), then never expand.


I know everybody has a price, but Gruden strikes me as being vindictive enough to not settle and let it all play out publicly in the courts.
 
2021-11-13 10:58:52 PM  

el_pilgrim: iron_city_ap: This will get settled before those emails see the light of day. The league will simply give Gruden free ownership of the St Louis expansion team (to settle the Kroenke case), then never expand.

I know everybody has a price, but Gruden strikes me as being vindictive enough to not settle and let it all play out publicly in the courts.


this is my hope as well
 
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