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(CNBC)   Lorde Edge to his new rival in the electric car market: "All these markets belong to you, except electric trucks. Attempt no entry there. Use them together. Use them in peace"   (cnbc.com) divider line
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2021-11-12 1:10:18 PM  
I do not understand how you can be a publicly traded company that doesn't have any services that you can use or products you can buy.

Also, Rivian better be pretty damned awesome for the money given that F150 that's on the way.
 
2021-11-12 1:10:24 PM  
Elon invented the electric truck and they just STOLE his idea.  Just for that, I'm putting another downpayment on another Cybertruck.
 
2021-11-12 1:20:48 PM  
They are both stupid trucks

/F150 Lightning all the way
 
2021-11-12 1:31:08 PM  
The R1T looks like a nice vehicle but it's also a pretty small truck which is starting at $70k. The bed is a foot shorter than the shortest F-150 bed. If the Lightning is the truck all the early reviews suggest it is, it will wipe the floor with the R1T in terms of sales.
 
2021-11-12 1:31:43 PM  

WhackingDay: I do not understand how you can be a publicly traded company that doesn't have any services that you can use or products you can buy.

Also, Rivian better be pretty damned awesome for the money given that F150 that's on the way.


Hey now. Reports are that Rivian has delivered 150 whole trucks so far (mostly to employees.)
 
2021-11-12 1:45:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Elon invented the electric truck and they just STOLE his idea.  Just for that, I'm putting another downpayment on another Cybertruck.


Make sure you get a discount for letting Musk live in your head rent free for all of these years.
 
2021-11-12 1:55:55 PM  

neaorin: The R1T looks like a nice vehicle but it's also a pretty small truck which is starting at $70k. The bed is a foot shorter than the shortest F-150 bed. If the Lightning is the truck all the early reviews suggest it is, it will wipe the floor with the R1T in terms of sales.


Lightning is going to sell as fast as they can make them - which will lead to dealerships being dicks by adding FU markup.

If you were in the market for a half ton to tow your 6-7k pound trailer or boat you were likely looking at spending around $40k already. Moving up to the Lightning and including the trailer-tow package will push that price up about $48k. That extra $8k will mostly get covered by the $7500 tax credit, but you also get much lower 'fuel' costs, a home backup battery, much lower maintenance costs, and an actual free 'generator' anywhere you go. Oh yeah, I'm sure that frunk will come in handy too.

/the Lightning is EXACTLY what America needs to embrace the electric vehicle
 
2021-11-12 2:02:30 PM  
FFS, just make an electric el Camino
 
2021-11-12 2:10:59 PM  
is Ford going to pipe in engine noise in the electric F150 like in that Vince Vaughn movie?

or are they going to hope that most of the people that spent two decades calling Leo DiCaprio gay for driving a Prius, have matured and are willing to try a silent electric truck?
 
2021-11-12 2:34:30 PM  

madgonad: neaorin: The R1T looks like a nice vehicle but it's also a pretty small truck which is starting at $70k. The bed is a foot shorter than the shortest F-150 bed. If the Lightning is the truck all the early reviews suggest it is, it will wipe the floor with the R1T in terms of sales.

Lightning is going to sell as fast as they can make them - which will lead to dealerships being dicks by adding FU markup.

If you were in the market for a half ton to tow your 6-7k pound trailer or boat you were likely looking at spending around $40k already. Moving up to the Lightning and including the trailer-tow package will push that price up about $48k. That extra $8k will mostly get covered by the $7500 tax credit, but you also get much lower 'fuel' costs, a home backup battery, much lower maintenance costs, and an actual free 'generator' anywhere you go. Oh yeah, I'm sure that frunk will come in handy too.

/the Lightning is EXACTLY what America needs to embrace the electric vehicle


The frunk is quite awesome. The biggest drawback I have with traditional pickups is the open bed - very handy, you can throw lots of...uhh....stuff in there, and then just hose it out later, but sometimes you want to keep your stuff hidden from view. I mean, sure, you get get a camper shell or tonneau to cover it, but then it's awkward to load, particularly when stuff slides up to the cab.

Now with the frunk, you can still use the bed to haul the pick and shovel, rope, quick lime, etc., like you do, but you can load your other...stuff... into the frunk and keep it out of plain sight. Hell, if you got pulled over, the average cop isn't even going to think about a frunk on a truck, they'll just peak in the cab and bed like usual.  The frunk has enough volume for two or three...stuffs..., but they're not going to slide out of reach. Plus, if you do need to dig your hole at night, you can pull right in front, keep the headlights on, and see what you're doing before you offload. Plus it has power hookups if you want to use an electric sawzall or even a small electric chainsaw (though really, I recommend against using that. If you need to cut stuff, best do it at home in the basement like a normal person). And the best part? You can hose out the frunk, too - it even has drain plugs! Just be sure to use a bit of bleach when you wash it, just to make sure the residue can't be traced, but everyone already knows that.
 
2021-11-12 2:35:03 PM  
Grabbed 30 shares on IPO day because I figured the market being irrational would continue. I overpaid a smidge at $105 a share, but a 20% gain ain't bad (assuming it doesn't crash back to earth before I get out).
 
2021-11-12 2:41:58 PM  

eKonk: The frunk is quite awesome. The biggest drawback I have with traditional pickups is the open bed - very handy, you can throw lots of...uhh....stuff in there, and then just hose it out later, but sometimes you want to keep your stuff hidden from view. I mean, sure, you get get a camper shell or tonneau to cover it, but then it's awkward to load, particularly when stuff slides up to the cab.

Now with the frunk, you can still use the bed to haul the pick and shovel, rope, quick lime, etc., like you do, but you can load your other...stuff... into the frunk and keep it out of plain sight. Hell, if you got pulled over, the average cop isn't even going to think about a frunk on a truck, they'll just peak in the cab and bed like usual.  The frunk has enough volume for two or three...stuffs..., but they're not going to slide out of reach. Plus, if you do need to dig your hole at night, you can pull right in front, keep the headlights on, and see what you're doing before you offload. Plus it has power hookups if you want to use an electric sawzall or even a small electric chainsaw (though really, I recommend against using that. If you need to cut stuff, best do it at home in the basement like a normal person). And the best part? You can hose out the frunk, too - it even has drain plugs! Just be sure to use a bit of bleach when you wash it, just to make sure the residue can't be traced, but everyone already knows that.


That's going to appeal to a very particular customer.
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2021-11-12 2:44:21 PM  
GFY, trust-fund baby
 
2021-11-12 2:46:48 PM  

whither_apophis: FFS, just make an electric el Camino


Utes have been proven out time and again in Australia.  It's way past time they were reintroduced up here.
 
2021-11-12 2:54:45 PM  
What Musk actually said was a lot closer to: "You will find that production is tougher than building prototypes, but welcome to the club."
 
2021-11-12 3:00:15 PM  
Hyundai and VW are going to put a dent in tesla
 
2021-11-12 3:02:15 PM  

Comic Book Guy: whither_apophis: FFS, just make an electric el Camino

Utes have been proven out time and again in Australia.  It's way past time they were reintroduced up here.


What's a ute?
 
2021-11-12 3:10:00 PM  

madgonad: neaorin: The R1T looks like a nice vehicle but it's also a pretty small truck which is starting at $70k. The bed is a foot shorter than the shortest F-150 bed. If the Lightning is the truck all the early reviews suggest it is, it will wipe the floor with the R1T in terms of sales.

Lightning is going to sell as fast as they can make them - which will lead to dealerships being dicks by adding FU markup.

If you were in the market for a half ton to tow your 6-7k pound trailer or boat you were likely looking at spending around $40k already. Moving up to the Lightning and including the trailer-tow package will push that price up about $48k. That extra $8k will mostly get covered by the $7500 tax credit, but you also get much lower 'fuel' costs, a home backup battery, much lower maintenance costs, and an actual free 'generator' anywhere you go. Oh yeah, I'm sure that frunk will come in handy too.

/the Lightning is EXACTLY what America needs to embrace the electric vehicle


So the quote would work for Bill Ford?  I don't really see any competition, but if they are willing to make enough E-150s they will own the US e-truck market.  Good luck building enough.  Tesla's truck will sell, but will be a niche thing for tech bros and those who want functional truck without the cultural baggage.  Don't think that will ever be to big (or maybe there really are that many single nerds who want to stay single).

I'm less sure about Ford production.  In other news, the one "internet friend" I know who has a e-mustang had it in the shop for 50 days, and Ford coughed up $8.5k to make the lawsuit go away (attorney costs were mentioned).  How much the reimbursed the dealer for the repair is unknown, but it couldn't have been cheap.

On the other hand, Ford is really showing they are serious about electric cars and getting good at them.  The industry has maybe one more generation of primarily ICE sales*, after which ICE becomes a niche.  And most of the industry is doing *anything* to avoid thinking about it.  Mostly because the last thing their customers want (i.e. the dealers, thanks to stealership lobbying direct sales are largely verboten) are electric cars whose maintenance largely consists of inflating and replacing tires.

/* battery prices have dropped by a factor of 10 in the last decade.
// expect a similar drop in the next decade (plenty of research in the pipeline), probably not one big "breakthroug"
/// but you drop the price of batteries anything like that, and there's almost no reason not to buy electric
 
2021-11-12 3:16:45 PM  

natazha: What Musk actually said was a lot closer to: "You will find that production is tougher than building prototypes, but welcome to the club."


That doesn't allow for much Elon hate though.
 
hej
2021-11-12 3:39:39 PM  
"I hope they're [Rivian] able to achieve high production and breakeven cash flow. That is the true test."

Wow what a hateful prick.
 
hej
2021-11-12 3:43:44 PM  

natazha: What Musk actually said was a lot closer to: "You will find that production is tougher than building prototypes, but welcome to the club."


You'd think it would be pretty straight forward to just quote people verbatim, but that's not edgy enough.
 
hej
2021-11-12 3:46:52 PM  

neaorin: The R1T looks like a nice vehicle but it's also a pretty small truck which is starting at $70k. The bed is a foot shorter than the shortest F-150 bed.


That's a pretty big plus IMO.  Full size pickup trucks have gotten pretty ridiculous these days.  I would be happy with a R1T with another foot or so shaved out of the back seat.
 
2021-11-12 4:08:14 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Comic Book Guy: whither_apophis: FFS, just make an electric el Camino

Utes have been proven out time and again in Australia.  It's way past time they were reintroduced up here.

What's a ute?


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2021-11-12 4:20:23 PM  
STFU Elon. What happened to making EVs commercially viable so that all manufactures can transition to EV to save the planet that was claimed to be the motivation behind Tesla?.

As for the Rivan, I like it, but the price seems a bit much. I am debating putting a deposit down on a Cybertruck if the BBB plan passes with the new EV credits for Tesla.

As for Ford, they are going to get a lot of bad press if they dont get the charging network fixed. Third party charging network blows. Half are always broken, when they arent there are like 2 up front in prime parking spots in like a walmart parking lot and some assholes parked there just because the space was close. At least Tesla superchargers are generally installed away from the main entrance so they arent all blocked and they provide real time use in vehicle. If I need to charge my model 3 I click on the supercharger, it tells me how many bays are in use, how many are free and if any are out of order all in real time. If a charger is out of service say due to a power outage in the area, the supercharger will be crossed off on the map with a symbol clearly showing the site is unavailable. Not only that but their spacing along most route generally means I can skip 1 or 2 stops if i want and not be that concerned.
 
2021-11-12 4:23:54 PM  
yet_another_wumpus:

Tesla's truck will sell, but will be a niche thing for tech bros and those who want functional truck without the cultural baggage.  Don't think that will ever be to big (or maybe there really are that many single nerds who want to stay single).

I think the cyber truck is going to be a hit for car modders. Those surfaces are screaming for wrap job customization. I think you are going to see some very creative wrap jobs on these.
 
2021-11-12 4:27:41 PM  
Yeah! That farkin' guy eats crackers like he owns the place.

I see Hiphopking2000 showed up to make the exact same joke he makes in every Tesla-related thread. Now we just need 2farupthread to show up and tell us how EVs are very, very dangerous and how the CEO of Toyota cried because he cares about our safety so much 😢
 
2021-11-12 4:29:05 PM  
What a Lorde on the Edge might look like:

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2021-11-12 4:32:52 PM  

Likwit: Yeah! That farkin' guy eats crackers like he owns the place.

I see Hiphopking2000 showed up to make the exact same joke he makes in every Tesla-related thread. Now we just need 2farupthread to show up and tell us how EVs are very, very dangerous and how the CEO of Toyota cried because he cares about our safety so much 😢


I still want to know WHY Toyota is still farking the FCEV chicken.
 
2021-11-12 4:41:43 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Don't think that will ever be to big (or maybe there really are that many single nerds who want to stay single).


There are plenty of us hah. Not single, but she knew what she was getting into. I want to live out my Master Chief fantasies.

I do have a preorder in for the Cybertruck and the Rivian R1T. I'm not sure which one will get to me first, so I have time to think about it, check out reviews and decide later on.

The smaller bed of the R1T sounds good to me - I'll be able to fit it in my garage. One of the biggest selling points to me for both of these are that they are cheaper than the Model X  - and of course that the Cybertruck will feel like I'm driving around Blood Gulch.
 
2021-11-12 4:45:13 PM  

Loki009: Likwit: Yeah! That farkin' guy eats crackers like he owns the place.

I see Hiphopking2000 showed up to make the exact same joke he makes in every Tesla-related thread. Now we just need 2farupthread to show up and tell us how EVs are very, very dangerous and how the CEO of Toyota cried because he cares about our safety so much 😢

I still want to know WHY Toyota is still farking the FCEV chicken.


A combination of factors.

-They're in bed with fossil fuel companies and natural gas producers like hydrogen.

-The CEO has his name on the side of the building and he's apparently very, very stubborn.

-They're trying to protect their share price. If they come out and say "hey we dumped billions into this tech that's a total dead end for cars, and we also don't have any BEVs in the works," they'd get slapped by the market. That's why they announced a hydrogen combustion engine Corolla at the Olympics, which is just... farking stupid.

-Japanese car companies tend to focus on their domestic market, and Japanese people do not give two hot shiats about EVs. Mostly because Toyota has been spreading anti-EV propaganda for years... but anyway.

-They're Japanese and they hate the Chinese. Making EVs will mean dealing with and relying on China for the time being. The West really dropped the ball on rare earths, lithium mining, metals processing, and battery manufacturing. The Nissan LEAF shows that mindset. It could have been cheaper and better from the start, but Nissan didn't want to deal with China. Manganese-based cell chemistry and induction motors with no rare earths meant they could mostly keep parts production away from their hated rival.

-Fuel cells may be the future of big automobiles that operate out of a central depot like trucks, buses, and trains. It could be tech that's valuable to sell, or they can hand the ball off to Hino or whatever.
 
2021-11-12 5:39:29 PM  
More Lorde Edges:

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2021-11-12 5:41:07 PM  
Pretty indifferent about the Rivian, but I would drive the fark out of this concept Ford F100 electric pickup.

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2021-11-12 5:46:58 PM  
I've had my hands on a Rivian and it is impressive. Not a huge fan of the front end styling but a lot of folks hated the front of the Corvair bitd, and now think they are cool
 
2021-11-12 7:36:41 PM  

WhackingDay: I do not understand how you can be a publicly traded company that doesn't have any services that you can use or products you can buy.

Also, Rivian better be pretty damned awesome for the money given that F150 that's on the way.


The F150 is a Rivian. It's a Rivian with a Ford nameplate, and perhaps some of the cosmetic additions.
 
2021-11-12 7:52:48 PM  

Karne: Rapmaster2000: Elon invented the electric truck and they just STOLE his idea.  Just for that, I'm putting another downpayment on another Cybertruck.

Make sure you get a discount for letting Musk live in your head rent free for all of these years.


The Carter Pewterschmitt of Elon and the cryptoes
 
2021-11-12 7:54:04 PM  

ImOscar: Pretty indifferent about the Rivian, but I would drive the fark out of this concept Ford F100 electric pickup.

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Would it be too much to ask for a crew cab and a full size bed though ? Or a damn step van ?
 
2021-11-13 4:51:02 AM  
Musk then whipped out a flamethrower and started torching random reporters in the audience, laughing maniacally.
 
2021-11-13 8:17:00 AM  
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2021-11-13 9:31:04 AM  

Russ1642: [Fark user image image 425x188]


Where was the valid criticism?
 
hej
2021-11-13 9:35:47 AM  

Likwit: Russ1642: [Fark user image image 425x188]

Where was the valid criticism?


He saw "Elon Musk", that's all he needs to know.
 
2021-11-13 3:54:54 PM  

baorao: is Ford going to pipe in engine noise in the electric F150 like in that Vince Vaughn movie?

or are they going to hope that most of the people that spent two decades calling Leo DiCaprio gay for driving a Prius, have matured and are willing to try a silent electric truck?


The big question is whether you can modify an elecric truck to roll coal.
 
2021-11-13 3:59:50 PM  

Sonnuvah: Tyrone Slothrop: Comic Book Guy: whither_apophis: FFS, just make an electric el Camino

Utes have been proven out time and again in Australia.  It's way past time they were reintroduced up here.

What's a ute?

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2021-11-13 7:50:57 PM  

Raoul Eaton: baorao: is Ford going to pipe in engine noise in the electric F150 like in that Vince Vaughn movie?

or are they going to hope that most of the people that spent two decades calling Leo DiCaprio gay for driving a Prius, have matured and are willing to try a silent electric truck?

The big question is whether you can modify an elecric truck to roll coal.


That's the hilarious part about it all. If you live in an area where the electrical generation is coal powered, EVs literally roll coal.

/Still cleaner than ICE, though.
 
2021-11-13 10:20:46 PM  
The Rivian looks interesting, but I'm not dropping $80+k on a truck.  That's damn near what I paid for my house.

I anything I have a GMT 400 that's in great condition that I might convert someday when the power train poops the bed.
 
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