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2021-11-11 6:01:53 PM  
I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

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2021-11-11 6:22:22 PM  
I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.
 
2021-11-11 6:50:54 PM  

Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

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I think the circumstances of what remote work is varies quite a bit out there.  I'm sitting here in a room in my house dedicated to being an office with a good desk, a window looking out where I'm not a few yards from the neighbor's wall, but a good view of the mountains to the north.  It's a way better space than I'd have if I was going into work every day.

I recognize this isn't what most people have.
 
2021-11-11 6:51:18 PM  
How about "Fark you, pay me."

Me working from home saves you a ton of costs. We're both coming out ahead on this deal.
 
2021-11-11 7:08:50 PM  

Myk-House of El: Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

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I think the circumstances of what remote work is varies quite a bit out there.  I'm sitting here in a room in my house dedicated to being an office with a good desk, a window looking out where I'm not a few yards from the neighbor's wall, but a good view of the mountains to the north.  It's a way better space than I'd have if I was going into work every day.

I recognize this isn't what most people have.


I agree. Years ago I was working a job where the commute in was hell, over an hour each way through terrible traffic. That added up to effectively working an extra day per week, and paying a lot of petrol to do so. If I could have taken a ten percent pay cut and been able to work from home I'd have taken it. I'd be better off financially and vastly better off in quality.

/On the other hand most of my coworkers were Asian (India) and had a local guy who bought in great chicken curry for lunch, which I would have missed.
 
2021-11-11 7:20:12 PM  
In our all-employee meeting a week ago, some idiot submitted a question to HR if they were going to implement a policy like this. Our HR was very confused. "Why would you want us to do that? No. No, we are not."
 
2021-11-11 7:22:24 PM  
Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating.

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.
 
2021-11-11 7:30:51 PM  

nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating (or, in general, by eating more).

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.


Bolded my little addition...

/grocery bills have been higher I think...
//fat
///3s :(
 
2021-11-11 7:57:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.


There is a labor shortage, but I don't think it'shiat office jobs yet.
 
2021-11-11 8:00:44 PM  

nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating.

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.


Um... you didn't have internet at home before you started working from there?  Or an office chair?
 
2021-11-11 8:13:08 PM  
Working from home might save you the cost of a commute, but it's not typically enough to be worth a pay cut.

If you think you've got too much money, all kinds of charities would accept your donations. I would, too.
 
2021-11-11 8:13:37 PM  

electricjebus: nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating.

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.

Um... you didn't have internet at home before you started working from there?  Or an office chair?


Can't VPN and perform on Chaturbate on the same internet connection.
 
2021-11-11 8:17:05 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: electricjebus: nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating.

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.

Um... you didn't have internet at home before you started working from there?  Or an office chair?

Can't VPN and perform on Chaturbate on the same internet connection.


Split tunnel FTW
 
2021-11-11 8:21:34 PM  
I'd take a pay cut if it meant Mrs. lizyrd could go back to the office. I go to work for long hours at a stretch with many weekdays off.  Having her at home for the past two years has had...an adverse...effect on the flow of my off days. When I'm being productive, she's often on a call and I'm making too much noise. When I'm not being productive, I feel guilty for lazing around (though she doesn't give me shiat about it).

I'm not completely serious; I like having her around through most days. I just miss my 2 or 3 days a week it was just me and the dog and I could do whatever I wanted.
 
2021-11-11 8:26:32 PM  

smd31: nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating (or, in general, by eating more).

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.

Bolded my little addition...

/grocery bills have been higher I think...
//fat
///3s :(


Freshman 40 at 40 is no joke. ☹
 
2021-11-11 8:28:38 PM  
Small brain company: force people back to the office

Big Brain Company: make employees take pay cuts to continue working from home.

Galaxy brain company: force people back to the office and make them take out cuts.
 
2021-11-11 8:31:28 PM  

electricjebus: nocturn: Technically you're paying internet fees, air conditioning, non-computer related equipment purchases... So there's already a pay cut. Less gas, less commute, sure. But you may end up eating the gas with cooling/heating.

Worked from home since 2017 since our office decided to save money by sending everyone home with terminals.

And woof, does a proper office chair make a massive difference. Two days of back pain, legs falling asleep, shoulder hurting with an old chair I had laying around. $120 Amazon office chair and everything improved substantially. I love my new cheap ass office chair.

Um... you didn't have internet at home before you started working from there?  Or an office chair?


Internet wasn't an issue for me, but other coworkers at the time had to upgrade their sluggish internet speeds. So for them, ya.

I worked in healthcare so I needed more privacy. Pulled the sliding doors of the closet in my bedroom and shoved a desk back in there. I had an uncushioned wooden rolling chair that worked with the desk for the short periods I was normally using it, but sitting there for 8 hours a day was a whole different beast.
 
2021-11-11 8:44:45 PM  

electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage,


...No.  No there isn't.

There's a shortage of people willing to work for the crap wages being offered.
 
2021-11-11 8:46:36 PM  

IlGreven: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage,

...No.  No there isn't.

There's a shortage of people willing to work for the crap wages being offered.


Yes... Yes there is.

There are 10 million jobs, and 8.5 million people looking for them.
 
2021-11-11 9:33:44 PM  
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I have a 3rd round interview next week and a 1st round the week after next.  both pay 150-175% of what I make now.  Both remote with a quarterly meeting at HQ.

still trying to figure out if I need to give two weeks notice or two months.
 
2021-11-11 9:36:04 PM  

Caelistis: How about "Fark you, pay me."

Me working from home saves you a ton of costs. We're both coming out ahead on this deal.


This. Now is not the time to negotiate away your pay. Now is the time to demand better treatment.
 
2021-11-11 9:40:39 PM  

Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.


Yeah, I'm with you, although I'm pissed that my work doesn't offer any remote options, even after we had a successful year proving that it worked.

Ideally I'd like to work probably 3 days at work, 2 at home each week.  Losing the commute is nice, but I need to be around human beings from time to time.
 
2021-11-11 9:52:09 PM  

electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage, but I don't think it'shiat office jobs yet.


It has. There is a very large skilled labor shortage cause a bunch of folk spent the last 40 years making sure that training and development programs were cut while requiring ever increasing skillets.

Personally I'm enjoying it. I love watching managers flail because they can't find college educated folk with 20 years experience to fill entry level jobs. Hope those quarterly profits were worth losing your company over you short sighted twatwaffles.

/Not bitter.
//VERY bitter.
 
2021-11-11 9:57:12 PM  

Sum Dum Gai: Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

Yeah, I'm with you, although I'm pissed that my work doesn't offer any remote options, even after we had a successful year proving that it worked.

Ideally I'd like to work probably 3 days at work, 2 at home each week.  Losing the commute is nice, but I need to be around human beings from time to time.


What is their reasoning? How do the other employees feel about this? Have you considered, you know, coming together on this?
 
2021-11-11 10:05:44 PM  

austerity101: Sum Dum Gai: Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

Yeah, I'm with you, although I'm pissed that my work doesn't offer any remote options, even after we had a successful year proving that it worked.

Ideally I'd like to work probably 3 days at work, 2 at home each week.  Losing the commute is nice, but I need to be around human beings from time to time.

What is their reasoning? How do the other employees feel about this? Have you considered, you know, coming together on this?


Mainly that it would negatively impact corporate culture / make it harder for serendipitous interactions to generate new ideas.  Or the real reason - because the founder of the company is dead-set against it and in a private company, the founder answers only to God.

Some people are fine with it, many are not.  I predict next year we'll start to see the fallout as it will make hiring harder and attrition higher (this year we did most hiring at a time when full remote was allowed).
 
2021-11-11 10:06:32 PM  

Myk-House of El: Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

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I think the circumstances of what remote work is varies quite a bit out there.  I'm sitting here in a room in my house dedicated to being an office with a good desk, a window looking out where I'm not a few yards from the neighbor's wall, but a good view of the mountains to the north.  It's a way better space than I'd have if I was going into work every day.

I recognize this isn't what most people have.


Yeah, if I had a house it would be nice, but I have a tiny apartment and live alone. So 4pm comes, I shut the work laptop lid in my dining room and walk 20 feet over to my living room desktop. Then dinner, watch TV in my bedroom, repeat. No human contact most days. I take a lunch walk and see humans, but no interaction, which isn't bad sometimes, especially for an introvert like me, but it can make you go crazy, the same thing day after day. And my view isn't of mountains but of a noisy highway. My commute is just a 5 minute bus ride, so it's not a big deal. I mine as well go in to work, just for a change of scenery for 8 hours. Plus free food and drinks are provided there. That will offset the bus fare, and I'll save money not having to run the heat and A/C in my apartment when I'm away, along with the other electricity used working from home (laptop, lights, etc.)
 
2021-11-11 10:20:46 PM  

GodComplex: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage, but I don't think it'shiat office jobs yet.

It has. There is a very large skilled labor shortage cause a bunch of folk spent the last 40 years making sure that training and development programs were cut while requiring ever increasing skillets.

Personally I'm enjoying it. I love watching managers flail because they can't find college educated folk with 20 years experience to fill entry level jobs. Hope those quarterly profits were worth losing your company over you short sighted twatwaffles.

/Not bitter.
//VERY bitter.


As a floor worker that got demoted into low level management I have to point out that not all office jobs are skilled labor and even then, when I need a worker to run a specific machine that machine is as tied to the worker as the worker is to it. The equipment costs more than the workers do.

If that machine is a generic PC, why can't some guy in India do your job for less money?  That's a question that a typical factory worker will never have to answer.
 
2021-11-11 10:54:02 PM  
It is a bit strange to me that the only major change to the American lifestyle brought on by the pandemic is remote office work.
/currently remote
//remote work is big in Scandinavia
///too bad it wasn't universal healthcare
 
2021-11-11 10:56:00 PM  

Walker: Myk-House of El: Walker: I got my 3rd shot today, so I'm going back voluntarily next month. I'm bored being at home 20 months now. Also being stuck inside the same four walls of my tiny apartment during a long cold dark winter is brutal. It's enough to make you something something.

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I think the circumstances of what remote work is varies quite a bit out there.  I'm sitting here in a room in my house dedicated to being an office with a good desk, a window looking out where I'm not a few yards from the neighbor's wall, but a good view of the mountains to the north.  It's a way better space than I'd have if I was going into work every day.

I recognize this isn't what most people have.

Yeah, if I had a house it would be nice, but I have a tiny apartment and live alone. So 4pm comes, I shut the work laptop lid in my dining room and walk 20 feet over to my living room desktop. Then dinner, watch TV in my bedroom, repeat. No human contact most days. I take a lunch walk and see humans, but no interaction, which isn't bad sometimes, especially for an introvert like me, but it can make you go crazy, the same thing day after day. And my view isn't of mountains but of a noisy highway. My commute is just a 5 minute bus ride, so it's not a big deal. I mine as well go in to work, just for a change of scenery for 8 hours. Plus free food and drinks are provided there. That will offset the bus fare, and I'll save money not having to run the heat and A/C in my apartment when I'm away, along with the other electricity used working from home (laptop, lights, etc.)


You don't talk to anybody? Don't even make small talk with your neighbors about the weather?
/lucky you
 
2021-11-11 11:08:48 PM  
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2021-11-12 12:34:01 AM  

electricjebus: GodComplex: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage, but I don't think it'shiat office jobs yet.

It has. There is a very large skilled labor shortage cause a bunch of folk spent the last 40 years making sure that training and development programs were cut while requiring ever increasing skillets.

Personally I'm enjoying it. I love watching managers flail because they can't find college educated folk with 20 years experience to fill entry level jobs. Hope those quarterly profits were worth losing your company over you short sighted twatwaffles.

/Not bitter.
//VERY bitter.

As a floor worker that got demoted into low level management I have to point out that not all office jobs are skilled labor and even then, when I need a worker to run a specific machine that machine is as tied to the worker as the worker is to it. The equipment costs more than the workers do.

If that machine is a generic PC, why can't some guy in India do your job for less money?  That's a question that a typical factory worker will never have to answer.


Having worked with a plant in India it's not that simple. Aside from time zones and language issues, they have similar problems with low pay and high turnover. Outsourcing is pretty hard to do when your upper management is incompetent.

But point remains, entry level work is having issues and so is everything else. Companies are reaping the reward of screwing over the workers for decades and it's delicious.
 
2021-11-12 8:13:05 AM  

Caelistis: How about "Fark you, pay me."

Me working from home saves you a ton of costs. We're both coming out ahead on this deal.


They would be happier with you getting nothing.
 
2021-11-12 9:43:11 AM  

GardenWeasel: In our all-employee meeting a week ago, some idiot submitted a question to HR if they were going to implement a policy like this. Our HR was very confused. "Why would you want us to do that? No. No, we are not."


There's always ONE idiot who asks the question that shouldn't be asked.
 
2021-11-12 11:01:05 AM  

Flowery Twats: GardenWeasel: In our all-employee meeting a week ago, some idiot submitted a question to HR if they were going to implement a policy like this. Our HR was very confused. "Why would you want us to do that? No. No, we are not."

There's always ONE idiot who asks the question that shouldn't be asked.


You only have one?

Are you hiring
 
2021-11-12 11:48:15 AM  

electricjebus: IlGreven: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage,

...No.  No there isn't.

There's a shortage of people willing to work for the crap wages being offered.

Yes... Yes there is.

There are 10 million jobs, and 8.5 million people looking for them.


...there would be more people looking for them if they didn't offer crap wages.  That's not a labor shortage.  That's a slave shortage.
 
2021-11-12 12:06:41 PM  

IlGreven: electricjebus: IlGreven: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage,

...No.  No there isn't.

There's a shortage of people willing to work for the crap wages being offered.

Yes... Yes there is.

There are 10 million jobs, and 8.5 million people looking for them.

...there would be more people looking for them if they didn't offer crap wages.  That's not a labor shortage.  That's a slave shortage.


I should clarify - When I said, "I thought there was a labor shortage", I was being facetious.  Business owners are telling us there's a labor shortage.  The labor market is telling us there's plenty of labor, but businesses don't want to pay market rate for it.
 
2021-11-12 7:16:19 PM  

IlGreven: electricjebus: IlGreven: electricjebus: Benevolent Misanthrope: I thought there was a labor shortage on.  I don't think offering less is going to help that.

There is a labor shortage,

...No.  No there isn't.

There's a shortage of people willing to work for the crap wages being offered.

Yes... Yes there is.

There are 10 million jobs, and 8.5 million people looking for them.

...there would be more people looking for them if they didn't offer crap wages.  That's not a labor shortage.  That's a slave shortage.


Can I buy drugs from you?

They wouldn't know what the wages are unless they were looking.  There is a labor shortage, and it is driving up wages for the first time in generations.
 
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