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(ABC 6 Providence)   89-year-old man earns Ph.D. and fulfills dream of being physicist, having defended his thesis on the quantum mechanics of how those dang kids can be simultaneously on his lawn and off his lawn   (abc6.com) divider line
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2021-11-11 2:21:21 PM  
You could have been a physicist with just a bachelor's.  Farking overachievers.
 
2021-11-11 2:24:19 PM  
His next project will be figuring out how it's possible to walk uphill both ways to and from school.
 
2021-11-11 2:37:41 PM  
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2021-11-11 2:38:44 PM  
you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.
 
2021-11-11 2:39:21 PM  
Schrodinger's lawn!
 
2021-11-11 2:40:08 PM  
Great but has he auditioned for American Idol?

John Hetlinger Singing Let The Bodies Hit The Floor.
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2021-11-11 2:43:40 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


Because an inherent part of doing a phd is doing original, new research, as explained im the article, in this case on Fermions.
 
2021-11-11 2:52:33 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


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Good on ya, old timer.
 
2021-11-11 2:57:14 PM  

saywhat: Schrodinger's lawn!


Until someone looks at the lawn.
 
2021-11-11 2:58:36 PM  
If he hurries, he can still get tenure
 
2021-11-11 3:04:08 PM  
I just finished my doctorate at 57. Feels good at all the ages. Good work, old fella!
 
2021-11-11 3:04:45 PM  
fermions can be changed into bosons , thanks I read that as furries can turn into bosoms.
 
2021-11-11 3:08:01 PM  
chucknasty:

you do it when you are too old to anti-matter? what's the point? this is dumb.

Fixed that for ya.
 
2021-11-11 3:12:04 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


User name on point.
 
2021-11-11 3:15:05 PM  
I once had a checkup by a medical doctor who was in his 60's and had just finished his residency. Impressive 2nd career.
 
2021-11-11 3:18:35 PM  
I similarly went back at 50 to get my doctorate. Left the world of software development to become a college professor (in Accounting!) because I needed the credentials to be taken seriously.

I guess he is now Dr. Steiner, M.D.

I salute his fortitude to take this on for his own sake, not just to impress the rest of us.
 
2021-11-11 3:19:43 PM  
I once fapped 6 times in an afternoon, so I understand the feeling of accomplishment
 
2021-11-11 3:20:14 PM  
His thesis was "I'm gonna spend my student loan money on hookers and blow and not repay a cent."
 
2021-11-11 3:22:02 PM  

Nosatril: His thesis was "I'm gonna spend my student loan money on hookers and blow and not repay a cent."


Student loans won't pay for doctorate degrees. Most of us, especially second career doctorate people, pay cash.
 
2021-11-11 3:23:26 PM  
Steiner studied hematology at Tufts University and biochemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before becoming a hematologist at Brown University. He became a full professor and led the hematology section of the medical school at Brown from 1985 to 1994.

Steiner helped establish a research program in hematology at the University of North Carolina, which he directed until he retired from medicine in 2000 and returned to Rhode Island.


That's an impressive career. To follow that up with earning a Ph.D in physics after retirement is as well.
 
2021-11-11 3:41:46 PM  
You can observe the kids' position on their lawn or their velocity as they run away when you chase them off of it, but not both simultaneously.
 
2021-11-11 3:46:47 PM  
Earned my doctorate at the ripe old age of 55. It was quite fun going back to school and being challenged intellectually.

When I finished my masters at the age of 24, I was burned out on school, lectures, writing papers and anything connected with academia. I started kindergarten at 4 so I basically went to school for twenty years straight. The final year was not fun but I needed the degree for my field.

Good for Mr. 89 year old physics guy. Well done!
 
2021-11-11 4:28:51 PM  

drtgb: Earned my doctorate at the ripe old age of 55. It was quite fun going back to school and being challenged intellectually.
When I finished my masters at the age of 24, I was burned out on school, lectures, writing papers and anything connected with academia. I started kindergarten at 4 so I basically went to school for twenty years straight. The final year was not fun but I needed the degree for my field.
Good for Mr. 89 year old physics guy. Well done!


I got a bachelors degree at 45, and it was all I could handle.  The brain couldn't memorize all that stuff anymore.
 
2021-11-11 4:45:32 PM  
Good for you, old guy.
 
2021-11-11 4:51:38 PM  
That's a bbbaaaaddddd muthatrucka!  Hope I can do something similar in my retirement.
 
2021-11-11 5:35:25 PM  

Bovine Diarrhea Virus: I once fapped 6 times in an afternoon, so I understand the feeling of accomplishment


Any lotion tricks you care to share?  After three runs through the mines of Moria I need hydration and healing.

/should just leave those porcupines alone, I guess.
 
2021-11-11 5:35:36 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


I'm 66. I plan to retire from full-time work in two years, and start my doctorate. Learning doesn't stop if you don't want it to stop.
 
2021-11-11 5:36:37 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


Not so! The doing it is the work. He did something to expand the body of human knowledge. That's the point.
 
2021-11-11 5:39:04 PM  
Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%
 
2021-11-11 5:56:18 PM  

aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%


My understanding, which could be wrong, is that a pair of fermions can team up and behave like a boson, which makes sense in that a pair of spin 1/2 particles can act like a spin 1 particle. Sounds a lot like BCS superconductivity.
 
2021-11-11 5:58:54 PM  

chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.


You're already too dumb for anything you do to matter - and you're only 15.
 
2021-11-11 6:06:36 PM  

revrendjim: aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%

My understanding, which could be wrong, is that a pair of fermions can team up and behave like a boson, which makes sense in that a pair of spin 1/2 particles can act like a spin 1 particle. Sounds a lot like BCS superconductivity.


If that's it then honestly I'd say they're flirting with quarks and quantum chromodynamics.  Which is fun, and totally should be messed wirh.
 
2021-11-11 6:16:40 PM  
This is a good find, subby. I got my Bachelor's last year at 34 and I've been worried that I'm getting too old to start over. (Mental illness really farks with your life plans, heh)
 
2021-11-11 6:37:22 PM  

aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%


This thread is for hurr durr schrodinger's douchebag jokes from people who learned all the physics they know from xkcd.
 
2021-11-11 6:44:46 PM  

GranoblasticMan: This is a good find, subby. I got my Bachelor's last year at 34 and I've been worried that I'm getting too old to start over. (Mental illness really farks with your life plans, heh)


If you want to keep going, you can do it! No such thing as too old!

I got my PhD almost 10 years ago (when I was 31), but spent most of my program with severe anxiety and OCD tendencies (rumination/pure O) that wasn't diagnosed until I was about 6 months from graduation. If you get the help you need for your mental health and feel like you are ready to take the plunge, fire away! The world will be able to use the knowledge you produce :)
 
2021-11-11 7:07:23 PM  

cryinoutloud: You could have been a physicist with just a bachelor's.  Farking overachievers.


Pfft, college is totally pointless. He should have just enrolled in a physics trade school.

/s
 
2021-11-11 7:09:22 PM  

Hankie Fest: Nosatril: His thesis was "I'm gonna spend my student loan money on hookers and blow and not repay a cent."

Student loans won't pay for doctorate degrees. Most of us, especially second career doctorate people, pay cash.


My SO got paid to get her Ph.D.

Sorry you went to fly by night college. Or that you aren't that great being a scholastic individual.
 
2021-11-11 7:10:18 PM  

aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%


but we were just assured that he was too old to matter.
 
2021-11-11 7:26:06 PM  

MaxTigar: Hankie Fest: Nosatril: His thesis was "I'm gonna spend my student loan money on hookers and blow and not repay a cent."

Student loans won't pay for doctorate degrees. Most of us, especially second career doctorate people, pay cash.

My SO got paid to get her Ph.D.

Sorry you went to fly by night college. Or that you aren't that great being a scholastic individual.


Yeah, a lot of Ph.D programs are fully funded, especially in STEM fields, so (depending on field and university) tuition is fully covered and you can earn $35k or $40k as a research assistant while working on your dissertation.

I was seriously thinking about doing this a couple weeks ago, but I decided I'd dust off my linear algebra and signal processing textbooks first, refresh my skills, and see if I will still be feeling motivated toward academic research afterwards.
 
2021-11-11 8:31:01 PM  
My law school class included a retired neurosurgeon who was in his 80's. No intention of practicing, he just wanted to go back to school and study something different.

Good on the dude for wanting to stay active.
 
2021-11-11 9:44:41 PM  

Kit Fister: aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%

but we were just assured that he was too old to matter.


A whole ring of students around him also learned. Even without the ability to take it forward, or the value at basic research level, the demonstration of competence stands and helps train the next few generations.
 
2021-11-11 9:45:15 PM  

duckpoopy: aungen: Having RTFA now, I'm pretty sure I've already got the QM electron behavior in metals, so I'm skeptical that is new but I'm interested.  The part that I want to hear about even more is "How fermions can be changed into bosons in their behavior."  It's one thing to see it happen, but I don't think I even tried to chase down how it happens.

We need more of this guy. Absolutely.  100%

This thread is for hurr durr schrodinger's douchebag jokes from people who learned all the physics they know from xkcd.


I refuse to believe that I won't fit in to that.
 
2021-11-12 12:18:02 AM  
I know a guy that got a PhD in Greek/Roman Philosophy. When he graduated, the huge paycheck job offers started rolling in!

No, not really. He's working as a plumber.
 
2021-11-12 2:43:11 AM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: I know a guy that got a PhD in Greek/Roman Philosophy. When he graduated, the huge paycheck job offers started rolling in!

No, not really. He's working as a plumber.


Sure, Jan.
 
2021-11-12 3:32:30 AM  

snowjack: cryinoutloud: You could have been a physicist with just a bachelor's.  Farking overachievers.
Pfft, college is totally pointless. He should have just enrolled in a physics trade school.
/s


The world needs electricians.
 
2021-11-12 6:04:46 AM  

jso2897: chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.

You're already too dumb for anything you do to matter - and you're only 15.


does your computer and the internet work? if so I matter.
 
2021-11-12 6:08:24 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.

I'm 66. I plan to retire from full-time work in two years, and start my doctorate. Learning doesn't stop if you don't want it to stop.


you are taking a seat away from a young person who would actually apply the learning to make the world a better place, but go ahead and fluff your ego with a meaningless degree you won't use. you do you.
 
2021-11-12 8:36:14 AM  

chucknasty: jso2897: chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.

You're already too dumb for anything you do to matter - and you're only 15.

does your computer and the internet work? if so I matter.


well, we do benefit from laughing, and you're here for us to laugh at, so.,..
 
2021-11-12 8:45:04 AM  

chucknasty: Sass-O-Rev: chucknasty: you do it when you are too old to matter? what's the point? this is dumb.

I'm 66. I plan to retire from full-time work in two years, and start my doctorate. Learning doesn't stop if you don't want it to stop.

you are taking a seat away from a young person who would actually apply the learning to make the world a better place, but go ahead and fluff your ego with a meaningless degree you won't use. you do you.


Well, bless your heart.
 
2021-11-12 9:35:24 AM  

cryinoutloud: snowjack: cryinoutloud: You could have been a physicist with just a bachelor's.  Farking overachievers.
Pfft, college is totally pointless. He should have just enrolled in a physics trade school.
/s

The world needs electricians.


The world needs ditch diggers, too. Doesn't change the fact that college gives more valuable skills, and that people with the potential to succeed in college should try to do so. There's nothing wrong with being an electrician if that's what a person really wants, but most kids don't know what they really want, and it's wrong to tell them that college isn't worthwhile. I bought into all that when I was a kid, and spent over a decade bored out of my skull before I went back and finished my bachelors degree. I'd have a lot more money today, if my parents had pushed a little harder to go to college after I graduated high school.
 
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