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2021-11-11 8:55:12 AM  
And Fox News get's big ol' rubbery one for both of them
 
2021-11-11 9:21:20 AM  
We need to switch those holidays. November is much more somber than beer & barbecue weekend. I don't blame people for being confused.
 
2021-11-11 9:51:56 AM  
Armistice Day.
 
2021-11-11 10:31:05 AM  
Blame the losers from the 19th Century. It was started to honor the Civil War dead.
 
2021-11-11 10:41:00 AM  
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2021-11-11 10:51:56 AM  
or Thursday
 
2021-11-11 11:00:13 AM  
Is this today's military hate thread for edgelords?
 
2021-11-11 11:02:54 AM  
Veterans are just losers and chumps.  What's in it for them?

Should have died for their country like the ones in the cemetery did. Less trouble.
 
2021-11-11 11:03:03 AM  
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My father in Nam', 1969.
 
2021-11-11 11:05:38 AM  

giantmeteor: And Fox News get's big ol' rubbery one for both of them


Only as a prop to sell more war.  Fox doesn't give a shiat about veterans issues such as homelessness or duty-related medical needs.  As for the dead, just look how Trump treated gold star families.
 
2021-11-11 11:06:02 AM  
Labor Day is for thanking veterans too according to my FB feed. In fact, I'm going to take this opportunity to thank the early labor leaders, for the standard work week, eight hour days, and weekends.
 
2021-11-11 11:08:13 AM  
Didn't some washed-up has-been want all the T****ers to use mustard today, or something?
 
2021-11-11 11:08:37 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: It was started to honor the Civil War dead.


The 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day

I know learning is hard but few events are as clearly de-marked quite as clearly as this one.
 
2021-11-11 11:08:56 AM  
A veteran and a memorial are two different things, since they are two different words.
 
2021-11-11 11:10:30 AM  
Veteran's Day is when the war mongers say "thanks!" to the living veterans and then go home and count their money.
Memorial Day is when they pretend to care about the dead while they count their money.

Veterans Sustain Two Serious Defeats From Trump And The House To VA Health Care
(Forbes link)
 
2021-11-11 11:12:34 AM  
Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut

"So this book is a sidewalk strewn with junk, trash which I throw over my shoulders as I travel in time back to November eleventh, nineteen hundred and twenty-two.

I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh, accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day. When I was a boy, and when Dwayne Hoover was a boy, all the people of all the nations which had fought in the First World War were silent during the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of Armistice Day, which was the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

It was during that minute in nineteen hundred and eighteen, that millions upon millions of human beings stopped butchering one another. I have talked to old men who were on battlefields during that minute. They have told me in one way or another that the sudden silence was the Voice of God. So we still have among us some men who can remember when God spoke clearly to mankind.

Armistice Day has become Veterans' Day. Armistice Day was sacred. Veterans' Day is not.

So I will throw Veterans' Day over my shoulder. Armistice Day I will keep. I don't want to throw away any sacred things.

What else is sacred? Oh, Romeo and Juliet, for instance.

And all music is."
 
2021-11-11 11:12:40 AM  

fst_creeper: OtherLittleGuy: It was started to honor the Civil War dead.

The 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day

I know learning is hard but few events are as clearly de-marked quite as clearly as this one.


Memorial Day was for the Civil War dead, so when the Europeans started Armistice Day, we had to improvise.
/never looked it up, how do they celebrate in Germany? You know, considering...
 
2021-11-11 11:15:45 AM  
It's more important that today is Armistice Day. As if WWI wasn't a giant waste of lives, we've been defending imperialism and other stupid pursuits for over 100 years. WWII excluded, though it had its own share of stupidity.
 
2021-11-11 11:18:31 AM  

Trocadero: fst_creeper: OtherLittleGuy: It was started to honor the Civil War dead.

The 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day

I know learning is hard but few events are as clearly de-marked quite as clearly as this one.

Memorial Day was for the Civil War dead, so when the Europeans started Armistice Day, we had to improvise.
/never looked it up, how do they celebrate in Germany? You know, considering...


You don't think the people of Germany were happy that the Great War ended?
 
2021-11-11 11:18:40 AM  

SlamPuff: Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut

"So this book is a sidewalk strewn with junk, trash which I throw over my shoulders as I travel in time back to November eleventh, nineteen hundred and twenty-two.

I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh, accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day. When I was a boy, and when Dwayne Hoover was a boy, all the people of all the nations which had fought in the First World War were silent during the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of Armistice Day, which was the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

It was during that minute in nineteen hundred and eighteen, that millions upon millions of human beings stopped butchering one another. I have talked to old men who were on battlefields during that minute. They have told me in one way or another that the sudden silence was the Voice of God. So we still have among us some men who can remember when God spoke clearly to mankind.

Armistice Day has become Veterans' Day. Armistice Day was sacred. Veterans' Day is not.

So I will throw Veterans' Day over my shoulder. Armistice Day I will keep. I don't want to throw away any sacred things.

What else is sacred? Oh, Romeo and Juliet, for instance.

And all music is."


A veteran and a writer, and he still doesn't even get the name of holiday right.
 
2021-11-11 11:19:15 AM  
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2021-11-11 11:22:38 AM  
Just days off for Politicians and Bankers.
 
2021-11-11 11:24:53 AM  

emersonbiggins: [Fark user image image 634x384]


Just for funsies:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism is particularly strong".
-
Barack Obama
 
2021-11-11 11:30:16 AM  

LoneCoon: It's more important that today is Armistice Day. As if WWI wasn't a giant waste of lives, we've been defending imperialism and other stupid pursuits for over 100 years. WWII excluded, though it had its own share of stupidity.


German WWI veteran describes killing a French soldier in a bayonet charge
Youtube XruYsAmKLyU
 
2021-11-11 11:31:26 AM  
Magnificent Storyteller Soldier Reveals What He Saw In Vietnam
Youtube tixOyiR8B-8
 
2021-11-11 11:32:58 AM  

Chemlight Battery: emersonbiggins: [Fark user image image 634x384]

Just for funsies:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism is particularly strong".
- Barack Obama


I'll give him a pass, he thought he saw a Corpseman or two in the audience.
 
2021-11-11 11:41:08 AM  

madgonad: You don't think the people of Germany were happy that the Great War ended?


For the Nazis, WWI never ended:

The Nazi Censored All Quiet on the Western Front movie adaptation in 1930, calling it "Jewish Propaganda".
 
2021-11-11 11:46:03 AM  

Chemlight Battery: emersonbiggins: [Fark user image image 634x384]

Just for funsies:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism is particularly strong".
- Barack Obama


"Time to go golfing again!!!" -Barock HUSSEIN Obama
 
2021-11-11 12:17:06 PM  

fst_creeper: OtherLittleGuy: It Memorial Day was started to honor the Civil War dead.

The 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day

I know learning is hard but few events are as clearly de-marked quite as clearly as this one.

 
2021-11-11 12:17:45 PM  
To us in America the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country's service, and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of nations.
 
2021-11-11 12:19:21 PM  
My dad in 1949 - served in WWII (occupational forces - Europe); Korean War; Cuban Missile Crisis (DDG-5 turned away a russian trawler) and Vietnam.
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2021-11-11 12:27:45 PM  
People get butthurt when they try to "thank" me on memorial day as I correct them pretty much every time it happens.  I go out of my way to not show my veteran status but some already knew and sometimes it's just dumb luck, like doing something like needing two forms of ID, or having my fare checked that day on the train (Disabled Veterans ride for free on our transit system)

A) Memorial day is for the dead.  Their sacrifice was far greater than anything I ever did.
B) I've lost some friends to combat over the years, I was not there.  Again their sacrifice was far greater than anything I ever did. Thank them by taking care of the dependents they left behind.
C) I've been out for 26 years, I don't need anymore thanks, really I don't.
D) I'm jaded, but frankly verbal thanks in the face of decreasing VA funding strikes me as a bit hollow.

And I sort of tend to stay out of the public on the today as well.  I am a disabled veteran but I was disabled in a peacetime training accident.  It never fails to result in one or more times where I have to explain that disabled does not equal combat wounded.  And then it's a 50/50 proposition that they think I should loose may status.
 
2021-11-11 12:35:08 PM  

Trocadero: Memorial Day was for the Civil War dead, so when the Europeans started Armistice Day, we had to improvise.
/never looked it up, how do they celebrate in Germany? You know, considering...


That is true, but the FA and the thread are discussing the difference between Veterans day and Memorial day, on Veterans day so I leaned toward that being the topic.
 
2021-11-11 12:53:09 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: fst_creeper: OtherLittleGuy: It Memorial Day was started to honor the Civil War dead.

The 11th minute of the 11th hour of the 11th day

I know learning is hard but few events are as clearly de-marked quite as clearly as this one.


Thank you for the clarification.

And really it was supported on both sides of the war.  And the May date is directly related to the fact that some states choose to mark it on May 10th, the day Jefferson Davis was captured.

I have no issues with the friends and relatives of the confederate dead holding memorials back in the day.  And for the most part, I don't hold much a grudge of the common confederate grunt.  Loyalty to your state was a thing back then and most of them were ignorant fscks.  Likewise I hold no grudges against most of the WW1 and WW2 German dead.  Fighting for your state or country in and of itself is a duty.  Soldiers don't pick their conflicts for the most part.  The military is the final tool of diplomacy, the punctuation. 

Now all those memorials to the leaders of the confederacy, Military and Civilian, traitorous bastards, one and all deserving of no monuments(probably the one thing Lee said that was right)   And the fsckwits that try to push the lost cause BS as well, they can EABOD  .  Likewise, those in Germany that were all on the extermination, repression and it's trappings deserve no memorial aside from the as an example of how evil man can be.  But if the family of the some poor Wehrmacht bastard that died holding his position for the sake of his duty wants to have a quiet day of remembrance for their lost I have no issue with it.
 
2021-11-11 1:02:42 PM  

Mantour: madgonad: You don't think the people of Germany were happy that the Great War ended?

For the Nazis, WWI never ended:

The Nazi Censored All Quiet on the Western Front movie adaptation in 1930, calling it "Jewish Propaganda".


The Nazis were right.  The Armistice that ended WWI was such a lopsided affair it did not resolve the underlying problems that led to that war.  It just left a poor, broke, and pissed-off Germany that was more than happy to let the Nazis into power if it meant getting back at the Allies.
 
2021-11-11 1:29:42 PM  

Lisaferret: My dad in 1949 - served in WWII (occupational forces - Europe); Korean War; Cuban Missile Crisis (DDG-5 turned away a russian trawler) and Vietnam. [Fark user image 850x1169]


That picture gives me a panic attack.
 
2021-11-11 1:36:29 PM  
And Armed Services Day for those still serving.
 
2021-11-11 1:46:10 PM  

dothemath: Lisaferret: My dad in 1949 - served in WWII (occupational forces - Europe); Korean War; Cuban Missile Crisis (DDG-5 turned away a russian trawler) and Vietnam. [Fark user image 850x1169]

That picture gives me a panic attack.


That suit weighed more than he did - I think in the picture he was about 160lbs - the suits were almost 200 lbs and required two helpers for him to put it on!

I really regret not asking him about his time in the USN. He never, ever spoke of it. 22 years on Navy ships and never learned to swim!
 
2021-11-11 2:27:28 PM  

Lisaferret: He never, ever spoke of it. 22 years on Navy ships and never learned to swim!


Long ago and far away I was going through the Naval Aircrew Candidate School in Pensacola Florida. We did the same water survival training as pilot and NFO wannabees did and part of that was a mile swim in your flight gear. The joke was that an Air Force pilot would eject, land in the ocean, and then drown. Navy pilots on the other hand, would eject, land in the ocean, swim a mile and THEN drown.
 
2021-11-11 3:37:44 PM  

Begoggle: Chemlight Battery: emersonbiggins: [Fark user image image 634x384]

Just for funsies:

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes - and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism is particularly strong".
- Barack Obama

"Time to go golfing again!!!" -Barock HUSSEIN Obama


And here come the assholes.
 
2021-11-11 6:31:39 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Blame the losers from the 19th Century. It was started to honor the Civil War dead.


Boalsburg Baby!
 
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