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2021-11-08 9:24:55 AM  
I'm surprised they ran as long as they did and avoided ever doing a blackface gag. Even post-Seinfeld NBC comedies like Scrubs and 30 Rock couldn't resist doing it, and those characters were generally much better people than any of the main Seinfeld characters.
 
2021-11-08 9:46:03 AM  
the final episode explains they are all assholes.
They admit it.
Live with it.
 
2021-11-08 10:10:10 AM  
12. Being completely unfunny.
 
2021-11-08 10:39:00 AM  

NeoCortex42: I'm surprised they ran as long as they did and avoided ever doing a blackface gag. Even post-Seinfeld NBC comedies like Scrubs and 30 Rock couldn't resist doing it, and those characters were generally much better people than any of the main Seinfeld characters.


Seinfeld - Kramer Tanning
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2021-11-08 10:42:39 AM  

Bartle J.: NeoCortex42: I'm surprised they ran as long as they did and avoided ever doing a blackface gag. Even post-Seinfeld NBC comedies like Scrubs and 30 Rock couldn't resist doing it, and those characters were generally much better people than any of the main Seinfeld characters.

[YouTube video: Seinfeld - Kramer Tanning]


Welp, I stand corrected. Completely forgot about that one and haven't seen it in ages.
 
2021-11-08 10:44:11 AM  
Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!
 
2021-11-08 10:45:22 AM  
Has that person ever watched Seinfeld?  The entire point is that these are terrible people not to be emulated.  None of those things were "okay" then either just because it was "a different time".  That's kind of the goddamn premise of the show and why it's funny.
 
2021-11-08 10:49:18 AM  
Seinfeld and his "friends" weren't aspirational.  They were like better educated middle class New York version of the Gang from It's Always Sunny.

Watch the series finale.  They end up going to jail for being shiatty uncaring self absorbed New Yorkers.
 
2021-11-08 10:51:00 AM  
Why is it so important that everyone has a cell phone?
 
2021-11-08 10:54:02 AM  

xrayspx: Has that person ever watched Seinfeld?  The entire point is that these are terrible people not to be emulated.  None of those things were "okay" then either just because it was "a different time".  That's kind of the goddamn premise of the show and why it's funny.


Yeah, they kind of missed the point of the show. These aren't nice people and weren't presented as such
 
2021-11-08 10:55:42 AM  

vilesithknight: Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!


This isn't even a "things in the past were different" thing. This is an article that goes out of its way to not understand that people even back then didn't think "Oh that's the way people should treat the bubble boy"
 
2021-11-08 10:58:39 AM  

TDWCom29: vilesithknight: Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!

This isn't even a "things in the past were different" thing. This is an article that goes out of its way to not understand that people even back then didn't think "Oh that's the way people should treat the bubble boy"


Bubble Boy was an asshole, though.
 
2021-11-08 11:00:17 AM  
God damn I hate revisionist reviews of things.

When did Screenrant become Buzzfeed?
 
2021-11-08 11:01:03 AM  

Subtonic: TDWCom29: vilesithknight: Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!

This isn't even a "things in the past were different" thing. This is an article that goes out of its way to not understand that people even back then didn't think "Oh that's the way people should treat the bubble boy"

Bubble Boy was an asshole, though.


This is also true
 
2021-11-08 11:01:10 AM  
They weren't "posing as nazis." They were posing as some guy and they had no idea he WAS a nazi. That was the JOKE YOU MORONS.
 
2021-11-08 11:01:31 AM  
"Hasn't aged well" has become the go-to crutch of a gimpy entertainment writer who had a deadline approaching and needed a story they could bang out in half an hour. This is at least the 10th article of that type specifically about "Seinfeld."

The author is a failure at life and his parents were right to keep him in the pen.
 
2021-11-08 11:03:30 AM  

Combustion: They weren't "posing as nazis." They were posing as some guy and they had no idea he WAS a nazi. That was the JOKE YOU MORONS.


Gas, why don't you got it? He's trying to say the shuw is prollamutic.
 
2021-11-08 11:03:55 AM  
I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.
 
2021-11-08 11:05:02 AM  

Subtonic: TDWCom29: vilesithknight: Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!

This isn't even a "things in the past were different" thing. This is an article that goes out of its way to not understand that people even back then didn't think "Oh that's the way people should treat the bubble boy"

Bubble Boy was an asshole, though.


Yeah, that was the whole point of that episode.  Everyone stated off nice to bubble boy but he was completely obnoxious.  And if we're going to be prigs about everything, TFA referring to him as "Bubble Boy" cannot possibly be kosher.
 
2021-11-08 11:08:19 AM  

Combustion: They weren't "posing as nazis." They were posing as some guy and they had no idea he WAS a nazi. That was the JOKE YOU MORONS.


And they tried to be nice to the bubble boy. The joke was that the bubble boy turned out to be a jerk.
 
2021-11-08 11:13:45 AM  
I am goddamn furious Frank Costanza doesn't have a cell phone!
 
2021-11-08 11:14:56 AM  
Well that settles it. I'm not going to watch any new Seinfeld episodes.
 
2021-11-08 11:15:27 AM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.


I still enjoy it. Although Elaine's early wardrobe and hair are really dated. Other than that, I think it holds up remarkably well, especially compared to other sitcoms of the same era.
 
2021-11-08 11:24:02 AM  
#1 on the list is a long running NYC gag (spying on a neighbor). Yeah, it's looked on as creepy now. But everybody from I Love Lucy forward has used the trope.

About half the humor in the series would have to be revised if they were doing a similar show today.

And it would be set in Brooklyn.
 
2021-11-08 11:24:22 AM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.



We said the same thing about Gomer Pyle, Hazel, and Petticoat Junction back in the 90's. I guess times and attitudes change over 25-30 years.
 
2021-11-08 11:24:47 AM  

Billy Liar: Why is it so important that everyone has a cell phone?


So many episode plots evaporate if someone can call ahead. Bubble Boy is one of them.
 
2021-11-08 11:25:44 AM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.


The thing about Seinfeld is that it's very funny on first watch-through, but isn't that big of a laugh-riot when you watch it again. And not because times have changed or anything. I can't really fully figure out how to explain it but it's not a show like The Simpsons or 30 Rock or Community (just as examples) that have jokes upon jokes and background stuff and a bunch of things to catch when you rewatch it. I mean there's some of that, but not a lot
 
2021-11-08 11:26:14 AM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.


I have watched it all - like once. I'm not really a re-watch a sitcom kind of guy. Maybe Andy Griffith on occasion but I'm old. I think you have to understand Seinfeld in context of the time. It was markedly different than the other popular sitcoms of the day. And pretty much everyone was talking about the episode the next day. I don't think it's some amazing work of genius that we need to honor and respect. But I think it's kind of silly to not at least recognize that it was wildly popular for an extremely long time and the reason it was popular is because it was quite different than what had come before. I think it's possible to recognize this and then stop talking about it and move on. It's not important that you like it.
 
2021-11-08 11:29:26 AM  
It's 1990s It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

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2021-11-08 11:38:08 AM  
If you're so woke that Marlee Matlin making some deaf jokes gets to you then it's farking time to go to sleep already.
 
2021-11-08 11:40:08 AM  

xrayspx: Has that person ever watched Seinfeld?  The entire point is that these are terrible people not to be emulated.  None of those things were "okay" then either just because it was "a different time".  That's kind of the goddamn premise of the show and why it's funny.


Exactly. The news here is the authors of the TFA are either horrible people or idiots or both.

All those things have aged just fine because they were bad then on the show, and they're still bad now. You were supposed to be laughing AT Jerry and gang, not with them.

If you thought those things were acceptable at the time, that's on you.
 
2021-11-08 11:43:31 AM  

Billy Liar: Why is it so important that everyone has a cell phone?


Because that way everybody can be tracked by big business and the government.
 
2021-11-08 11:45:37 AM  

Trocadero: Billy Liar: Why is it so important that everyone has a cell phone?

So many episode plots evaporate if someone can call ahead. Bubble Boy is one of them.


No. When they get lost driving out to Long Island, yes, that plot doesn't work if they have a smart phone with gps. Although the work around is easy, George doesn't trust gps. Everyone else follows that, so those routes are always busy. He has his own maps (paper, from his father) and "shortcuts" he uses.

What other plots evaporate with a cell phone?
 
2021-11-08 11:47:51 AM  
I don't get how any of those items aged poorly - with the possible exception of the episode where he dated a Native American and those jokes, the point of the show is they are selfish a-holes. To an extent, Jerry is supposed to be more of the straight man to Kramer and George, but him being difficult or unpleasant to deal with comes out in lots of episodes.  Really none of these people (maybe with the exception of Kramer) are folks you'd really want to spend any time being around.  And their selfish ploting is generally what gets them into trouble and provides the humor.

So, obviously, Jerry would be a total pig when it comes to females he's dating or "objectifying", or being a jerk to a mugging victim or bubble boy.   There's no redemption or character arc with any of the main characters in Seinfeld.  If there was, it would defeat the point of the show.
 
2021-11-08 11:51:42 AM  
12. One of my favorite shows but man, Jerry Seinfeld is not a good actor. The other 3 definitely carried him.
 
2021-11-08 11:51:49 AM  
Oh well, actually now that I think about it.  The episode where Jerry and Elaine drug Jerry's girlfriend so they can play with the toy collection of Jerry's GF - the GI Joes and the Quick Bake Oven, has a slight cringe factor and I'm surprised that wasn't on the list.

OTOH, damn that was a good episode with the Merv Griffin show bit.  The writers really get crazy with the last 2 or 3 seasons of the show.
 
2021-11-08 11:52:35 AM  
A:What do you do for a living?

B:Oh I'm a writer.

A:Oh yeah, what have you written?

B:(Bursts into tears)
 
2021-11-08 11:55:47 AM  
Because when I watch TV and laugh at something, I think, "Hold on....will this still be funny twenty years from now?  Or will I have to write a post about it and claim that I never thought it was funny in the first place?  How will my future children judge me for chuckling at this joke?  Have I taken into consideration all the possible future technology that can override this gag?"  I must be a lot of fun at parties.
 
2021-11-08 12:00:39 PM  

xrayspx: Has that person ever watched Seinfeld?  The entire point is that these are terrible people not to be emulated.  None of those things were "okay" then either just because it was "a different time".  That's kind of the goddamn premise of the show and why it's funny.


Yeah I quit when I got to the "switch girlfriend" episode since that was the whole point was that it was a selfish asshole thing that people have also longed to try to pull off
 
2021-11-08 12:01:02 PM  

Trocadero: Billy Liar: Why is it so important that everyone has a cell phone?

So many episode plots evaporate if someone can call ahead. Bubble Boy is one of them.


Bubble Boy aired in 1992.  Nobody had a cell phone back then, let alone a smart phone.
 
2021-11-08 12:02:41 PM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.


https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph​p​/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

I think it's pretty explicable.
 
2021-11-08 12:05:28 PM  

Fano: realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php​/Main/SeinfeldIsUnfunny

I think it's pretty explicable.


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2021-11-08 12:08:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: 12. Being completely unfunny.


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2021-11-08 12:09:44 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Oh well, actually now that I think about it.  The episode where Jerry and Elaine drug Jerry's girlfriend so they can play with the toy collection of Jerry's GF - the GI Joes and the Quick Bake Oven, has a slight cringe factor and I'm surprised that wasn't on the list.



There was controversy around that episode even at the time. So that's not even a "times have changed" thing
 
2021-11-08 12:13:26 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Oh well, actually now that I think about it.  The episode where Jerry and Elaine drug Jerry's girlfriend so they can play with the toy collection of Jerry's GF - the GI Joes and the Quick Bake Oven, has a slight cringe factor and I'm surprised that wasn't on the list.


Drugging a woman is #2.
 
2021-11-08 12:16:37 PM  

realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.


It didn't change.  The audience did.  It was liked because it connected with them at the time.  Look at "I Love Lucy".  Very popular at the time.  I've only known it as a rerun; never got so much as a smirk out of me.  What were they thinking?
 
2021-11-08 12:16:43 PM  
Do we need to get out the "real life / pretend" chart again?
 
2021-11-08 12:26:58 PM  

Billy Liar: realmolo: I would say that "Seinfeld" has aged surprisingly poorly in general. It's...not funny. It used to be funny-ish. But times changed *rapidly*, and now it's hard to understand why it was so well-liked.

It didn't change.  The audience did.  It was liked because it connected with them at the time.  Look at "I Love Lucy".  Very popular at the time.  I've only known it as a rerun; never got so much as a smirk out of me.  What were they thinking?


Not even the episode where Lucy's zany hijinks got Ricky in trouble at Club Babalu?
 
2021-11-08 12:27:14 PM  
ok so apparently
By Colin McCormick
doe snot "get it."
i'm a guess he ain't got to the final episode yet and he'll be one the people that didn't lie it and felt ti was a bad ending to the show about Those People. Who actually got what they had coming to them and made the entire show's run a single long setup joke to that  last episode's punch line.

And rightly so, give a solid gut punch to anyone who had been looking up to those assholes.

The show "didn't age well" for anyone who wasn't already laughing AT THEM in the first place.
 
2021-11-08 12:42:45 PM  

vilesithknight: Oooh Breaking News, things from the past don't hold up under modern societies viewpoints, film at 11. I mean, you could apply this to just about everything. Yes, mistakes were made, we try to learn from them and evolve. If you really want to write about a show that doesn't hold up, check out How I Met Your Mother. This show ran from 2004-2014. Instead of doing problematic things that were later discovered to be problematic, it did problematic things in the era in which we knew better!


Yeah, the "Dukes of Hazard" was my favorite show. When I was six. Because I loved fast cars and pretty girls. I had no idea that the "general Lee" was a not at all overtly racist symbol, and that the whole show was just about as crackery as crackers could be. But, again, I was six farking years old. I evolved, and seeing an episode of that show from time to time now, I recognize it for what it is, but can't help but have a feeling of nostalgia for my childhood and enjoying the campiness of the show. Seinfeld also reminds me of my teens, and knowing that they were terrible people with very juvenile tendencies not to be emulated was the whole premise of the show. Some People will just always find something to get butthurt over.
 
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