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2021-11-06 11:18:18 AM  
Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who
 
2021-11-06 12:04:45 PM  
One of his bad farked up ideas gets farked up? Straight from the mind of the asshole who can't sell meat and vodka to Americans, another failure
 
2021-11-06 12:06:48 PM  

OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who


Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.
 
2021-11-06 12:32:01 PM  

arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.


Yeah.  Even my employer - who considers direct evidence of fervent worship of God-Emperor Trump (pbuh) a requirement of employment - only withheld payroll taxes if you specifically asked.  And made finding the form to ask essentially impossible without navigating a bizarre series of links on the website.
 
2021-11-06 12:40:24 PM  
I'm one of those census workers impacted.  Yup they sent me a bill for $81.  I remember the email from good ol' Wilbur when this initially happened saying something to the effect of "If Trump is re-elected I'm sure this will all get forgiven so you have nothing to worry about"
 
2021-11-06 1:01:55 PM  

phalamir: arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.

Yeah.  Even my employer - who considers direct evidence of fervent worship of God-Emperor Trump (pbuh) a requirement of employment - only withheld payroll taxes if you specifically asked.  And made finding the form to ask essentially impossible without navigating a bizarre series of links on the website.


I have a number of young employees, inexperienced in the ways that government can truly f*ck you over if you aren't paying attention or don't understand how it all works.  We had a little mini-lecture at staff meeting that month to explain exactly what this would mean for them.  A couple of them were set to protest that the form was so hard to file.  They eventually realized that - for once - the administration's interests aligned with their own.
 
2021-11-06 2:11:13 PM  

arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.


Narrator: they did
 
2021-11-06 3:21:56 PM  
"In total, $7,078,909 in payroll tax collections were deferred for 177,964 temporary employees," the bureau confirmed to NPR in a statement.

That's about $40 per employee. I can't believe that wasn't a yuge stimulus to the economy.
 
2021-11-06 3:29:44 PM  

propasaurus: arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.

Narrator: they did


Business had no reason to do it.  They didn't get to keep the money; it would go to the employee's paycheck.  And they knew it would have to be sent on when the grace period was done; so they would have to pull even more from an employee's paycheck.  So, if an employee made $100/month and the employer had to pull $5 for payroll taxes, normally they gave the employee $95.  They would be giving the employee $100 for four months, then having to collect $20 from one paycheck, giving the employee $80 and having the employee flip out. . Or, they could just continue to pull out $5 a month and pay $95 to the employee like normal.  One requires rejiggering their procedures twice, which costs each time; the other just requires them to do what they always do.  A business will happily light your dick on fire, but they won't light their own on fire just cuz.
 
2021-11-06 3:42:27 PM  
What are Joe Manchin's thoughts on this?
 
2021-11-06 3:42:59 PM  

phalamir: propasaurus: arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.

Narrator: they did

Business had no reason to do it.  They didn't get to keep the money; it would go to the employee's paycheck.  And they knew it would have to be sent on when the grace period was done; so they would have to pull even more from an employee's paycheck.  So, if an employee made $100/month and the employer had to pull $5 for payroll taxes, normally they gave the employee $95.  They would be giving the employee $100 for four months, then having to collect $20 from one paycheck, giving the employee $80 and having the employee flip out. . Or, they could just continue to pull out $5 a month and pay $95 to the employee like normal.  One requires rejiggering their procedures twice, which costs each time; the other just requires them to do what they always do.  A business will happily light your dick on fire, but they won't light their own on fire just cuz.


It's Saturday, not Mathurday.
 
2021-11-06 3:44:04 PM  

arrogantbastich: One of his bad farked up ideas gets farked up? Straight from the mind of the asshole who can't sell meat and vodka to Americans, another failure


You also left out bankrupting multiple casinos. A business that is like a license to print money.
 
2021-11-06 3:52:19 PM  

arrogantbastich: One of his bad farked up ideas gets farked up? Straight from the mind of the asshole who can't sell meat and vodka to Americans, another failure


He tried bribing voters and when that didn't work he left the fallout in Biden's lap.  Sounds like it worked out great
 
2021-11-06 3:56:36 PM  
"We determined that 147,619 employees owed substantially less than what it would cost to collect the debt from them," said the bureau, which did not answer NPR's questions about the total amount of money the bureau has decided to stop trying to collect and how it's covering those costs.

The bureau says that it has sent letters and emails to 28,000 or so former census workers who owe unpaid taxes"

Why bother? Why not just forgive them the way TFG was planning to do? I doubt there are many billionaires (or even upper middle class folk) doing part time census work, why rake them for this money?
 
2021-11-06 3:57:53 PM  
You mean like everything else that he did .. I'm shocked ..
 
2021-11-06 4:00:38 PM  
Give TFG the "win". Let these poor sods keep their money.
 
2021-11-06 4:03:44 PM  

foo monkey: What are Joe Manchin's thoughts on this?


roll coal?
 
2021-11-06 4:09:40 PM  

Print'sNotDead: "We determined that 147,619 employees owed substantially less than what it would cost to collect the debt from them," said the bureau, which did not answer NPR's questions about the total amount of money the bureau has decided to stop trying to collect and how it's covering those costs.

The bureau says that it has sent letters and emails to 28,000 or so former census workers who owe unpaid taxes"

Why bother? Why not just forgive them the way TFG was planning to do? I doubt there are many billionaires (or even upper middle class folk) doing part time census work, why rake them for this money?


(1) If you thought TFG was going to forgive this, you are clearly gullible enough to be his next lawyer.

(2) The money has to be paid.  It's an honest and legal debt.  "Biden needs to just cancel out all entitlements collection" is a stance to take.  It's not sane unless you're advocating for defunding SS and Medicare (and that's not sane itself), so the money is still owed.
 
2021-11-06 4:26:43 PM  

phalamir: Print'sNotDead: "We determined that 147,619 employees owed substantially less than what it would cost to collect the debt from them," said the bureau, which did not answer NPR's questions about the total amount of money the bureau has decided to stop trying to collect and how it's covering those costs.

The bureau says that it has sent letters and emails to 28,000 or so former census workers who owe unpaid taxes"

Why bother? Why not just forgive them the way TFG was planning to do? I doubt there are many billionaires (or even upper middle class folk) doing part time census work, why rake them for this money?

(1) If you thought TFG was going to forgive this, you are clearly gullible enough to be his next lawyer.

(2) The money has to be paid.  It's an honest and legal debt.  "Biden needs to just cancel out all entitlements collection" is a stance to take.  It's not sane unless you're advocating for defunding SS and Medicare (and that's not sane itself), so the money is still owed.


But forgiving student loan debt is somehow different?
Seriously though, TFG stuck them with the problem, the majority of the money would cost more to collect than it's worth... seems like a win win for the Biden Admin would be to write that shiat off. Harassing people for money you were SUPPOSED to be deducting from their checks in the first place is not a good look, especially because the GOP/TFG will say all day long "We were going to forgive that debt but those Commie Democrats want every last penny they can get".
Like I said, these folks didn't blow the extra money on yachts and private jets, we can be pretty sure of that.
 
2021-11-06 4:29:31 PM  

phalamir: Print'sNotDead: "We determined that 147,619 employees owed substantially less than what it would cost to collect the debt from them," said the bureau, which did not answer NPR's questions about the total amount of money the bureau has decided to stop trying to collect and how it's covering those costs.

The bureau says that it has sent letters and emails to 28,000 or so former census workers who owe unpaid taxes"

Why bother? Why not just forgive them the way TFG was planning to do? I doubt there are many billionaires (or even upper middle class folk) doing part time census work, why rake them for this money?

(1) If you thought TFG was going to forgive this, you are clearly gullible enough to be his next lawyer.

(2) The money has to be paid.  It's an honest and legal debt.  "Biden needs to just cancel out all entitlements collection" is a stance to take.  It's not sane unless you're advocating for defunding SS and Medicare (and that's not sane itself), so the money is still owed.


Not really. Medicare will be funded regardless of the state of the trust that "funds" it. Only Social Security is legally mandated to be cut off if the state of the trust deteriorates. We could simply change a few words in the text of the legislation and SS would finally be safe from conservative fear mongering so they can create more tax cuts for the rich.
 
2021-11-06 4:29:41 PM  

sdd2000: arrogantbastich: One of his bad farked up ideas gets farked up? Straight from the mind of the asshole who can't sell meat and vodka to Americans, another failure

You also left out bankrupting multiple casinos. A business that is like a license to print money.


And killing an entire football league. It would have collapsed anyway, but he delivered the death blow a couple years ahead of time.
 
2021-11-06 4:57:23 PM  

foo monkey: What are Joe Manchin's thoughts on this?


He can't hear you over the sound of his Maserati
 
2021-11-06 4:57:32 PM  
This is what happens when you vote blue no matter who.  BSAB
 
2021-11-06 5:01:38 PM  
This was just such a dumb idea. A bunch of people out of work need help. A bunch of other people still working have fewer ways to spend their money.

I know! Let's give money only to the people still working!

Even better! Let's give it as, essentially, a loan! That way, no one who needs help gets help AND the people who didn't need help have an additional way to fark themselves up! Perfect!
 
2021-11-06 5:01:42 PM  
TFG?
 
2021-11-06 5:01:53 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: "In total, $7,078,909 in payroll tax collections were deferred for 177,964 temporary employees," the bureau confirmed to NPR in a statement.

That's about $40 per employee. I can't believe that wasn't a yuge stimulus to the economy.


"Woohoo, I bought a tank of gas!!"
 
2021-11-06 5:02:28 PM  

lordjupiter: TFG?


Officially it's "The Former Guy" (Trump)

Unofficially, and more accurate, it's "That farking guy"
 
2021-11-06 5:04:38 PM  

foo monkey: What are Joe Manchin's thoughts on this?


Joe Manchin can go fark himself.

Wait, never mind, I thought you asked my thoughts on Joe Manchin.

/Joe Manchin can go fark himself
 
2021-11-06 5:06:00 PM  

OldRod: lordjupiter: TFG?

Officially it's "The Former Guy" (Trump)

Unofficially, and more accurate, it's "That farking guy"


Thanks.

We have better nicknames for him. Not sure why this one is trending here.
 
2021-11-06 5:08:45 PM  

lordjupiter: OldRod: lordjupiter: TFG?

Officially it's "The Former Guy" (Trump)

Unofficially, and more accurate, it's "That farking guy"

Thanks.

We have better nicknames for him. Not sure why this one is trending here.


I like to think most people read it as "That Farking Guy" regardless of the original meaning and that's good enough
 
2021-11-06 5:13:54 PM  

Print'sNotDead: phalamir: Print'sNotDead: "We determined that 147,619 employees owed substantially less than what it would cost to collect the debt from them," said the bureau, which did not answer NPR's questions about the total amount of money the bureau has decided to stop trying to collect and how it's covering those costs.

The bureau says that it has sent letters and emails to 28,000 or so former census workers who owe unpaid taxes"

Why bother? Why not just forgive them the way TFG was planning to do? I doubt there are many billionaires (or even upper middle class folk) doing part time census work, why rake them for this money?

(1) If you thought TFG was going to forgive this, you are clearly gullible enough to be his next lawyer.

(2) The money has to be paid.  It's an honest and legal debt.  "Biden needs to just cancel out all entitlements collection" is a stance to take.  It's not sane unless you're advocating for defunding SS and Medicare (and that's not sane itself), so the money is still owed.

But forgiving student loan debt is somehow different?
Seriously though, TFG stuck them with the problem, the majority of the money would cost more to collect than it's worth... seems like a win win for the Biden Admin would be to write that shiat off. Harassing people for money you were SUPPOSED to be deducting from their checks in the first place is not a good look, especially because the GOP/TFG will say all day long "We were going to forgive that debt but those Commie Democrats want every last penny they can get".
Like I said, these folks didn't blow the extra money on yachts and private jets, we can be pretty sure of that.


The law giving the executive branch/the President the ability to give out student loans also gives it explicit authority to forgive loans (under certain conditions, later amendments made that part less clear, which is why it's now believed Presidents can forgive any student loan debt). Presidents can't cancel taxes altogether, only delay collection during emergencies, which is why Trump merely delayed payment. Only Congress has the power to cancel taxes. So yes, student loan debt is different.
 
2021-11-06 5:17:44 PM  

TomDooley: This is what happens when you vote blue no matter who.  BSAB


No, this is what happens when sh*tty Democrats win primaries, as the result of corporatist propaganda, scale-thumbing, and various other electoral shenanigans, mixed with general voter stupidity and apathy.
 
2021-11-06 5:18:53 PM  
Maybe this is why the census bureau keeps calling me about another "job."
 
2021-11-06 5:18:57 PM  
The same tactics that get conservatives to vote for Republicans work to get "moderates" to vote for centrist Democrats. Voters are stupid and easily manipulated by fear and bigotry.
 
2021-11-06 5:19:34 PM  

dumbandilikeit: I'm one of those census workers impacted.  Yup they sent me a bill for $81.  I remember the email from good ol' Wilbur when this initially happened saying something to the effect of "If Trump is re-elected I'm sure this will all get forgiven so you have nothing to worry about"


Wtf. They essentially tried to buy your vote for $81.
The gop is the most crooked and incompetent mother farkers in history.
 
2021-11-06 5:41:54 PM  

Ring of Fire: dumbandilikeit: I'm one of those census workers impacted.  Yup they sent me a bill for $81.  I remember the email from good ol' Wilbur when this initially happened saying something to the effect of "If Trump is re-elected I'm sure this will all get forgiven so you have nothing to worry about"

Wtf. They essentially tried to buy your vote for $81.
The gop is the most crooked and incompetent mother farkers in history.


Well, yeah. That's kinda why it didn't work. George W at least had the class to offer a round $300.
 
2021-11-06 6:36:36 PM  
I was a temp census supervisor for about a year. I remember this being a thing, but I'm under the vague impression that our payroll department basically didn't cooperate with it because it was such a terrible idea.

Guess I'll have to see if I get a bill.
 
2021-11-06 6:44:14 PM  

ChimpMitten: arrogantbastich: One of his bad farked up ideas gets farked up? Straight from the mind of the asshole who can't sell meat and vodka to Americans, another failure

He tried bribing voters and when that didn't work he left the fallout in Biden's lap.  Sounds like it worked out great


It's been a go to stunt for GOP presidents since saint Ronnie.
 
2021-11-06 7:10:12 PM  

dumbandilikeit: I'm one of those census workers impacted.  Yup they sent me a bill for $81.  I remember the email from good ol' Wilbur when this initially happened saying something to the effect of "If Trump is re-elected I'm sure this will all get forgiven so you have nothing to worry about"

Sounds like voter intimidation to me.

 
2021-11-06 7:26:05 PM  
It was a poison pill for Biden cause TFG is a petty vindictive sore loser
 
2021-11-06 7:26:15 PM  

phalamir: arrogantbastich: OldRod: Gee, who could have predicted this?

Only, everybody with half a brain that understands how payroll taxes work... that's who

Chased this back at my employer when this went down, to try and make sure they didn't farking do this to me, and they laughed and said of course they wouldn't.

Yeah.  Even my employer - who considers direct evidence of fervent worship of God-Emperor Trump (pbuh) a requirement of employment - only withheld payroll taxes if you specifically asked.  And made finding the form to ask essentially impossible without navigating a bizarre series of links on the website.


Christ, I had this issue. Apparently my employer hadn't been taking out taxes for eight months. I was supposed to log into ADP website with a username and password I never received to actually set up withholdings. I asked what was the purpose of the financial documents when hired and basically "that's just record keeping"

I do t work for them anymore
 
2021-11-06 7:53:41 PM  
Just have Jeff Bezos round up his change at the checkout.
 
2021-11-07 12:27:24 AM  

gonegirl: I was a temp census supervisor for about a year. I remember this being a thing, but I'm under the vague impression that our payroll department basically didn't cooperate with it because it was such a terrible idea.

Guess I'll have to see if I get a bill.


Glad I checked TFA--I had forgotten about the email I got two months ago saying I owed $121.

\just paid it
 
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