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(Guardian)   The Guardian isn't so poptimistic about full ABBA album, gives it 2 out of 5 stars - "bafflingly retrograde"   (theguardian.com) divider line
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2021-11-05 10:25:02 AM  
What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

But I'm sure The Guardian will absolutely rave about Adele's new album in two weeks, despite it, too, probably not going in any new direction.
 
2021-11-05 11:13:51 AM  
bluorangefyre:
But I'm sure The Guardian will absolutely rave about Adele's new album in two weeks, despite it, too, probably not going in any new direction.

"Heading once more down a well-trodden path ... Adele"  3/5 4 25
 
2021-11-05 11:34:09 AM  

bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

But I'm sure The Guardian will absolutely rave about Adele's new album in two weeks, despite it, too, probably not going in any new direction.


And if the album tried to sound contemporary, it would be accused of trend sucking, and the review would've counseled Abba to "stick to what they know."
 
2021-11-05 11:39:42 AM  

gilgigamesh: bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

But I'm sure The Guardian will absolutely rave about Adele's new album in two weeks, despite it, too, probably not going in any new direction.

And if the album tried to sound contemporary, it would be accused of trend sucking, and the review would've counseled Abba to "stick to what they know."


And if one half of album is oldfashioned and other half contemporary they will accuse ABBA of trying to kill Batman
 
2021-11-05 11:45:42 AM  

bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.


As far as I was concerned, though, those first two singles they released a few weeks ago didn't exactly set the world on fire.
 
2021-11-05 11:47:14 AM  
Personally I think they could have done with a little MORE retro.

But I will give them credit - Abba are actual musicians.
 
2021-11-05 12:01:19 PM  
The reviewer is under the delusion that casual music listeners care (at all) about the actual meanings of lyrics. They don't.

Vocals are simply another instrument in the song. They blend into the fabric of the music. The actual meaning of the words are rarely imputed by listeners...in fact, people are often very surprised when they actually learn the meaning of classic, well-worn songs.

Bottom line: listeners listen to the vibe of the music (the melody, the instruments, the sounds, the tone of the vocals). Not the actual literal meanings of words. This review is irrelevant and stupid.
 
2021-11-05 12:05:07 PM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

As far as I was concerned, though, those first two singles they released a few weeks ago didn't exactly set the world on fire.


That's true, because the new songs are lackluster. They aren't among ABBA's best songs, despite being within familiar sonic boundaries. But their mediocrity is for reasons that are completely different than the irrelevant ones the reviewer offers.
 
2021-11-05 12:11:07 PM  

Courtney Cox-Zucker: bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

As far as I was concerned, though, those first two singles they released a few weeks ago didn't exactly set the world on fire.


To which my response is that it trended higher than the newest single from Olivia Rodrigo.  This didn't make my kids happy that a band from their grandparents' generation outdid someone from their generation.  And that made me happy.
 
2021-11-05 12:30:28 PM  
Mamma Mia Part 1 | Red Nose Day 2009
Youtube 94uO2io-n5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fUXBqeb4BE
 
2021-11-05 12:43:13 PM  
If you play ABBA backwards you get ABBA
 
2021-11-05 12:50:29 PM  
The one song I've heard wasn't 'Abba' enough for me.

When a band isn't around consistently releasing music, their musical style has no chance to evolve... So my perception is based on their classics that I heard back in the day and are still being remixed today.

What I really wanted was something close enough to Supertrooper that it felt like it was released half a century ago.
 
2021-11-05 12:54:33 PM  

Corn_Fed: The reviewer is under the delusion that casual music listeners care (at all) about the actual meanings of lyrics. They don't.

Vocals are simply another instrument in the song. They blend into the fabric of the music. The actual meaning of the words are rarely imputed by listeners...in fact, people are often very surprised when they actually learn the meaning of classic, well-worn songs.

Bottom line: listeners listen to the vibe of the music (the melody, the instruments, the sounds, the tone of the vocals). Not the actual literal meanings of words. This review is irrelevant and stupid.


Yep, this is my biggest pet peeve with music reviews. It's like if they were reviewing a play and spent half the article criticizing the actor's costumes. I can be pretty picky when it comes to the rest of songs, but all I ask of lyrics is "Don't be embarrassingly bad".
 
2021-11-05 1:13:24 PM  
I'm just gonna leave this here:

"Not The 9 'O Clock News - Super Duper" (Parody Of Super Trouper By ABBA)
Youtube wYkxvU66c3s
 
2021-11-05 1:33:06 PM  
Muriel says, "It's as good as an ABBA song."
 
2021-11-05 1:55:18 PM  

rjakobi: I'm just gonna leave this here:

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/wYkxvU66c3s]


https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uhqbe
 
2021-11-05 2:13:29 PM  
Nobody sounds more like ABBA than The KLF.
 
2021-11-05 2:22:49 PM  
Just saying, my local Walmart sold out of the vinyl.  They didn't even sell out of the vinyl edition of the new Billie Eilish album in its first day.
 
2021-11-05 2:36:08 PM  
"Bafflingly retrograde."  What a terrible thing to criticize a band that's been around for over 40 years about.

I went to see the Scorpions a couple years back.  You know what they sounded like?  The Scorpions from the 1980s.  The drummer did the same "head-bang as you drum" thing he did in the 1980s, the guitarists did the same "point the guitar neck and rock back and forth simultaneously" thing they did in the 1980s.  Klaus Meine did the same "lead singer hip wiggle and clench your fist" dance he did in the 1980s.  Nothing was new, not even the songs.  

Don't get me wrong, that's exactly why I went to see them and I rocked my ass off (like a hurricane) but at least ABBA has new songs; who's really surprised that ABBA sounds like ABBA?  If they were just touring on their old stuff, they'd be called "classic" not "bafflingly retrograde."
 
2021-11-05 2:57:06 PM  

Billy Liar: Muriel says, "It's as good as an ABBA song."


Now there's a deep cut. Loved that movie.
 
2021-11-05 3:58:16 PM  
All four ABBA members are white heterosexuals, as far as we know. This is as unacceptable as possible as far as The Grauniad is concerned. At least two of them must admit to having a heartfelt same-sex liaison in the past, and one of them must now be bicurious, and admit to liking jazz.
 
2021-11-05 4:19:19 PM  
I think it's way better than you'd expect from a band's first album in 40 years.
Even the positive reviews agree that the cloying Christmas song doesn't belong there.  They should've left it off and released it as a standalone single next month.
 
2021-11-05 4:42:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: bluorangefyre: What, they expected a band that hasn't done anything in forty years to try to screw with the formula for success?  This album could've been released anywhere between 1975 and now and still worked, and was sorely needed for this year.

But I'm sure The Guardian will absolutely rave about Adele's new album in two weeks, despite it, too, probably not going in any new direction.

And if the album tried to sound contemporary, it would be accused of trend sucking, and the review would've counseled Abba to "stick to what they know."


Frank Zappa - Packard Goose
Youtube bYztKZe5i54
 
2021-11-05 5:03:43 PM  
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: All four ABBA members are white heterosexuals, as far as we know. This is as unacceptable as possible as far as The Grauniad is concerned. At least two of them must admit to having a heartfelt same-sex liaison in the past, and one of them must now be bicurious, and admit to liking jazz.
 
2021-11-05 5:10:10 PM  

LewDux: [i.pinimg.com image 556x556] [View Full Size image _x_]: All four ABBA members are white heterosexuals, as far as we know. This is as unacceptable as possible as far as The Grauniad is concerned. At least two of them must admit to having a heartfelt same-sex liaison in the past, and one of them must now be bicurious, and admit to liking jazz.


That took almost an hour. Slow fishing day.
 
2021-11-05 5:42:39 PM  
Well if The Guardian says so.....At the risk of what YouTube will start recommending over the next few weeks, I looked up a couple of tracks and the fans seem to really like it.
 
2021-11-05 5:56:59 PM  
James Blake - Retrograde (Live on KEXP)
Youtube rPy5GXul1AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-ehllI7Jts
 
2021-11-05 6:10:31 PM  

Mr_Vimes: LewDux: [i.pinimg.com image 556x556] [View Full Size image _x_]: All four ABBA members are white heterosexuals, as far as we know. This is as unacceptable as possible as far as The Grauniad is concerned. At least two of them must admit to having a heartfelt same-sex liaison in the past, and one of them must now be bicurious, and admit to liking jazz.

That took almost an hour. Slow fishing day.


Yep.  I mean, it was such an obvious joke/troll.  You'd have to be exceptionally woke to fall for it.
 
2021-11-05 6:16:09 PM  
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: Mr_Vimes: LewDux: [i.pinimg.com image 556x556] [View Full Size image _x_]: All four ABBA members are white heterosexuals, as far as we know. This is as unacceptable as possible as far as The Grauniad is concerned. At least two of them must admit to having a heartfelt same-sex liaison in the past, and one of them must now be bicurious, and admit to liking jazz.

That took almost an hour. Slow fishing day.

Yep.  I mean, it was such an obvious joke/troll.  You'd have to be exceptionally woke to fall for it.
 
2021-11-05 6:30:31 PM  

bluorangefyre: Just saying, my local Walmart sold out of the vinyl.  They didn't even sell out of the vinyl edition of the new Billie Eilish album in its first day.


The last time I went inside a Walmart all they had in the music section was dozens of copies of the soundtrack to The Rise of Skywalker and Rocketman. After standing there for a few minutes, and getting a shrug from an employee at a nearby counter another customer with a mask on walked over and proceeded to hack up a lung all over them. So I bought some t-shirts and left the store.
 
2021-11-05 7:09:30 PM  
I had to look up what retrograde means but it sounds like ABBA released another ABBA album, which I'm sure is exactly what the people who were going to buy an ABBA album want
 
2021-11-05 7:11:08 PM  

bluorangefyre: Just saying, my local Walmart sold out of the vinyl.  They didn't even sell out of the vinyl edition of the new Billie Eilish album in its first day.


That's probably because ABBA fans own record players
 
2021-11-05 7:51:40 PM  
Old band with old fans release a new album after 40 years. It's not contemporary, autotuned and designed for performance by soft-porn entertainers? Like wow, man!
 
2021-11-05 7:57:36 PM  
The Monkees tried to go contemporary with "JUSTUS" and the album sucked ass. But when they went back to their roots with "Good Times" and hired songwriters like Rivers Cuomo from Weezer, it was good.

Moral of Story: Don't fix what ain't broken.

Love's What I Want - The Monkees
Youtube bvq5ozeNvGU
 
2021-11-05 8:11:57 PM  
I have two possible responses to any Guardian review:

- "Sure, I can reasonably agree with this."
- "Has this critic ever experienced art? Are they even human?"
 
2021-11-05 8:15:11 PM  
I'm happy to hear something new that sounds like popular music I already like.

Something must be wrong with me.
 
2021-11-05 8:46:47 PM  
Bafflingly, really??  Seriously??
 
2021-11-05 8:50:01 PM  
"I'm quite disappointed that Three Dog Night played Joy to the World at the state fair this evening. Get with the times, gents!"
 
2021-11-05 10:56:25 PM  

moothemagiccow: bluorangefyre: Just saying, my local Walmart sold out of the vinyl.  They didn't even sell out of the vinyl edition of the new Billie Eilish album in its first day.

That's probably because ABBA fans own record players


My kids have 'Sour' by Olivia Rodrigo on vinyl.  And my six-year-old likes playing 'Walking After Midnight' by Patsy Cline on the original 45.
 
2021-11-05 11:13:54 PM  
>Particularly weird is the implication of a grim transactional quality behind a romantic gesture.


I think that's just how Swedes talk about sex.
 
2021-11-06 1:05:59 AM  
What did you expect from the favorite band of Julius Caesar?
 
2021-11-06 2:15:15 PM  
Its what you expect of ABBA.
The lyrics are terrible, like an AI was asked to write an ABBA song.
It is also missing that je ne sais quoi that they had in the 70s.
The word fun comes to mind.
This sounds phoned in.
 
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