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2021-11-01 9:49:17 PM  
I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.
 
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2021-11-01 10:03:00 PM  

edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.


Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.
 
2021-11-01 10:19:50 PM  
While the Navy has a habit of ending captains' careers for anything wrong that happens aboard their ships, an uncharted seamount seems unpredictable. The sub had orders to take the path given, plus they were probably running with passive sensors only to remain undetected.

Any submariners want to jump in here?
 
2021-11-01 10:44:40 PM  
Oblig.:

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2021-11-02 12:19:39 AM  

433: edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.

Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.


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Lies!
 
2021-11-02 12:22:08 AM  

leeksfromchichis: 433: edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.

Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.

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Lies!


That is clearly a photograph of a subterrain.
 
2021-11-02 12:22:52 AM  

edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.


Yeah, real hard

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2021-11-02 12:23:36 AM  
There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?
 
2021-11-02 12:27:21 AM  
The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with ... the Earth.
Real bang up job there, boys.
 
2021-11-02 12:30:50 AM  

FarkingChas: There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?


We didn't lose a sub, though it was close.  U.S.S. San Francisco.  My son served on that boat long after that accident.  One seaman, standing in the aft end of the only long passageway on the boat when it hit the seamount, went flying into a bulkhead and lost his life.  The boat came perilously close to being gone completely.
 
2021-11-02 12:31:34 AM  

C18H27NO3: The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with ... the Earth.
Real bang up job there, boys.


Anyone who has not drunkenly or recklessly collided with the earth raise the first stone.
 
2021-11-02 12:35:47 AM  
If only there had been a ping, give them a ping!
 
2021-11-02 12:40:31 AM  

AirForceVet: While the Navy has a habit of ending captains' careers for anything wrong that happens aboard their ships, an uncharted seamount seems unpredictable. The sub had orders to take the path given, plus they were probably running with passive sensors only to remain undetected.

Any submariners want to jump in here?


Given that if you use active sonar to map out an area you can be detected something like 10x as far away as you can map, yeah, we can pretty much assume they weren't using it.  Mountains tend not to make a lot of noise, so if your charts are wrong you're going to have a bad time.
 
2021-11-02 12:42:03 AM  

Axeofjudgement: C18H27NO3: The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with ... the Earth.
Real bang up job there, boys.

Anyone who has not drunkenly or recklessly collided with the earth raise the first stone.


Those who have hit the earth and not tried to miss it totally failed the flying test ala the Hitchhiker's Guide.
 
2021-11-02 12:42:07 AM  
The US Navy investigators have determined what a nuclear-powered attack submarine hit in the South China Sea last month, USNI News reported Monday, citing defense officials familiar with the investigation and a legislative official.
The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with an unidentified object on October 2, the Navy revealed five days after the incident.


Couldn't they have skipped all the crap above and just say it ran aground or hit a undersea mount or whatever.
 
2021-11-02 12:43:04 AM  

leeksfromchichis: 433: edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.

Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.

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Lies!


That sub has clipping issues.
 
2021-11-02 12:44:20 AM  
Basically you can't use Active Sonar without giving away the location of your submarine, but active sonar does a much better job of mapping out the surrounding area.
 
2021-11-02 12:45:39 AM  
Sounds like something you'd see in Down Periscope
 
2021-11-02 12:47:35 AM  

baxterdog: Axeofjudgement: C18H27NO3: The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with ... the Earth.
Real bang up job there, boys.

Anyone who has not drunkenly or recklessly collided with the earth raise the first stone.

Those who have hit the earth and not tried to miss it totally failed the flying test ala the Hitchhiker's Guide.


I'm attracted to it...
 
2021-11-02 12:53:06 AM  
China is just PO'd nobody will tell them where it is so:
A) they can navigate around it
B) they can start dumping their garbage to create a newly found/claimed mini-China
 
2021-11-02 12:54:05 AM  
China has been dredging and building islands in various areas.
Would it be beyond them to make some sea obstacles for just this reason.
So foreign subs run into them...
 
2021-11-02 12:57:21 AM  

Trik: China has been dredging and building islands in various areas.
Would it be beyond them to make some sea obstacles for just this reason.
So foreign subs run into them...


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That is actually beyond farking brilliant!
 
2021-11-02 12:59:53 AM  
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2021-11-02 1:00:46 AM  

edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.


We all map with a yellow AUV

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I can't remember which ones are tethered fish finders for the fleet and which ones are fully autonomous.  Let a few of the autonomous ones go play together and you've got constant sea floor updates.
 
2021-11-02 1:02:46 AM  
 
2021-11-02 1:04:03 AM  

maxandgrinch: China is just PO'd nobody will tell them where it is so:
A) they can navigate around it
B) they can start dumping their garbage to create a newly found/claimed mini-China


I couldn't tell if the conspiracy accusations made by China were authentic paranoia or mockery.  That practical joke with my soda can wasn't very funny.
 
2021-11-02 1:06:24 AM  
I don't believe any reporting about submarines. It's certainly plausible but this is such super top secret shiat that there's just no way they're telling anyone what actually happened. All reports get covered in bullshiat before they're released to the public, just to be sure.
 
2021-11-02 1:07:05 AM  

Claude Ballse: Cafe Threads: Oblig.:

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-obstinate-lighthouse/


In either case if this really happened the US warship would bomb the crap out of that lighthouse before changing course.

USA USA
 
2021-11-02 1:13:45 AM  

maxandgrinch: China is just PO'd nobody will tell them where it is so:
A) they can navigate around it
B) they can start dumping their garbage to create a newly found/claimed mini-China


Unless the whole thing is a hoax to make China paranoid.
 
2021-11-02 1:14:35 AM  

FarkingChas: There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?


The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.
 
2021-11-02 1:19:32 AM  

thehellisthis: maxandgrinch: China is just PO'd nobody will tell them where it is so:
A) they can navigate around it
B) they can start dumping their garbage to create a newly found/claimed mini-China

I couldn't tell if the conspiracy accusations made by China were authentic paranoia or mockery.  That practical joke with my soda can wasn't very funny.


In order to protect yourself, simply declare, in a stern authoritative tone, "Me American, me am smart. Me take out the pee pee part!"
 
2021-11-02 1:20:03 AM  

jaivirtualcard: In either case if this really happened the US warship would bomb the crap out of that lighthouse before changing course.


"This is a nuclear icebreaker.  YOUR call."
 
2021-11-02 1:21:21 AM  

Axeofjudgement: baxterdog: Axeofjudgement: C18H27NO3: The Seawolf-class nuclear-powered attack submarine USS Connecticut collided with ... the Earth.
Real bang up job there, boys.

Anyone who has not drunkenly or recklessly collided with the earth raise the first stone.

Those who have hit the earth and not tried to miss it totally failed the flying test ala the Hitchhiker's Guide.

I'm attracted to it...


So's everything else in the universe.
 
2021-11-02 1:21:40 AM  

Trik: China has been dredging and building islands in various areas.
Would it be beyond them to make some sea obstacles for just this reason.
So foreign subs run into them...


Even if they didn't, we should accuse them of doing that just to give them some payback for their snotty attitude during this whole thing. Let them have to deny shiat for a while.
 
2021-11-02 1:27:15 AM  

ChiliBoots: FarkingChas: There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?

The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.


Well, you don't have to detect the difference between rock and an iron deposit, you just need to detect the difference between water and anything more dense / higher gravity.

And you'd want this detector / sensor well forward, on a mast to give the most warning and get the best readings, assuming that you can detect it at all in time to matter.
 
2021-11-02 1:31:38 AM  

OrionXVI: leeksfromchichis: 433: edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.

Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.

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Lies!

That sub has clipping issues.


The SS Skyrim
 
2021-11-02 1:46:57 AM  
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2021-11-02 1:47:54 AM  

Dwedit: Basically you can't use Active Sonar without giving away the location of your submarine, but active sonar does a much better job of mapping out the surrounding area.


What if you send out one ping only?
 
2021-11-02 1:53:02 AM  
Uncharted Seamount is the name of my Looking Glass one-hit cover band
 
2021-11-02 2:01:33 AM  

Cafe Threads: Oblig.:

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Is this the SR-71 story but for boaters?
 
2021-11-02 2:14:24 AM  

bhcompy: Cafe Threads: Oblig.:

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Is this the SR-71 story but for boaters?


SR-71 went down because the pilot had covid.
 
2021-11-02 2:18:35 AM  

God's Hobo Penis: ChiliBoots: FarkingChas: There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?

The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.

Well, you don't have to detect the difference between rock and an iron deposit, you just need to detect the difference between water and anything more dense / higher gravity.

And you'd want this detector / sensor well forward, on a mast to give the most warning and get the best readings, assuming that you can detect it at all in time to matter.


Use a drone.
 
2021-11-02 2:46:21 AM  
That was a really low blow to the navy

They couldn't go any lower
 
2021-11-02 3:28:28 AM  

AirForceVet: While the Navy has a habit of ending captains' careers for anything wrong that happens aboard their ships, an uncharted seamount seems unpredictable. The sub had orders to take the path given, plus they were probably running with passive sensors only to remain undetected.

Any submariners want to jump in here?


I'll give it a go...

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2021-11-02 3:46:04 AM  

433: edmo: I guess it's kind of hard to map everything underwater.

Yeah, but submarines don't work on land.


They do if the headlights are on.
 
2021-11-02 5:56:19 AM  
Lies. I bet it was a Russian Water Tentacle.
 
2021-11-02 6:00:48 AM  

ChiliBoots: The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.


[vapid look] You don't want to hit undersea iron deposits, either, I think.
 
2021-11-02 6:03:12 AM  
uncharted mountain? Still think they hit Godzilla
 
2021-11-02 6:22:40 AM  

God's Hobo Penis: ChiliBoots: FarkingChas: There was an experiment to put a gravity meter on subs. A close by mountain would register. Yes, they can be that responsive. This was after we lost a sub to a collision with a sea mount. 15? years ago. No idea what happened to the idea. Did it work or not?

The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.

Well, you don't have to detect the difference between rock and an iron deposit, you just need to detect the difference between water and anything more dense / higher gravity.

And you'd want this detector / sensor well forward, on a mast to give the most warning and get the best readings, assuming that you can detect it at all in time to matter.


Stands With A Tiny Fist: ChiliBoots: The earth's gravity field is pretty lumpy because of density variations when you go to a few decimal places, so without a gravimetric map, distinguishing a mountain from an iron deposit might not be too reliable. It might also be difficult to get low-noise measurements at speed too at that sort of pecision.

[vapid look] You don't want to hit undersea iron deposits, either, I think.


He is talking about an iron deposit underground. Below the ocean bottom. Nothing sticking up. That would look the same as a mountain sticking up if you are, say, 10 miles away.
 
2021-11-02 6:23:24 AM  

Trik: China has been dredging and building islands in various areas.
Would it be beyond them to make some sea obstacles for just this reason.
So foreign subs run into them...


Difficulty:  We'd see them doing it.  You can bet your sweet bippy that we maintain satellite coverage of the South China Sea.

We see dredging/island making ships in an area and there ends up being no island later, we'd suspect something was going on.
 
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